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Isn't whole of echarcha based on this?

But you have not seen it work in Himachal, where plastic bags were banned 15 years ago.. people started using their own cloth grocery bags, and those who forgot easily got a cloth bag for 10-20 bucks.. then they never forget. of course ban doesn't mean 100% stop, it's like 90%.

Even in Gurgaon malls and Delhi shops, I didn't get 1 plastic bag after lakhs spent in shopping for a wedding last year.


Himachal is a third world state within India...

For me, honestly, India means Mumbai... I can only relate to Mumbai.. I cannot relate to any other place, even within Maharashtra...

Yes echarcha is full of arm-chair generals
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I lived in India for 5 years recently. I have seen that the regular subji bhajiwala bhaiyyas do not dispense plastic bags and you have to carry your own cloth or plastic bags. This is because the municipality fines them.

So there are some measures already in effect.

The problem in Mumbai is the clogging of sewers and drains in monsoon and plastic thrown into them is the major culprit. Tomorrow you will ban plastic, but the people will still keep throwing paper bags or whatever bags into them.

Plastic bags can be used responsibly but the people need to change their habits and attitude.

Just banning plastic is not going to help. For example, small vendors and shops pack stuff like sweets, curd etc in plastic bags and give it to you. Are you going to carry steel or glass vessels everywhere with you when you buy stuff?

Also you get food delivery at home. How are the restaurants going to send wet dishes like sambar etc? In paper bags?

Most of the times this government is all about ban first without any thought or provision to tackle the problem.


Just dont clap like those green party environmentalists sitting outside Mumbai and call plastic evil.

The Maharashtra BJP government will have a dip in their approval ratings not just from the plastic industry and the workers who will be jobless, but also by so many other vendors, traders, shop keepers, etc who need plastic bags to operate their business.

Offcourse now many will come here and give lecture on environmental issues and all that.. I have seen the reality in Mumbai from 2011 to 2016. So I speak based on what I have seen and experienced. Rest of the arm chair generals can go fuck off!
in schema of things, not having plastic carry bags or what have you is minor inconvenience. paper bags don't clog the drains. you are right, people need an attitude change. based on your reaction, we probably should start with you
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Re: Plastic ban in Maharashtra

Finally the plastic ban has been implemented in maharashtra . it was the brainchild of aditya thackeray and endorsed by amruta phadnavis the wife of maha CM .

The BJP wanted to reduce the fines levied from RS 5000 to 200 rupees per violation , which would have been hurting enough to the common man . but the shiv sena deliberately put it's foot down and insisted on RS 5000 for first violation , RS 10000 for second violation and RS 25000 for third plus jail of 3 months . this is nothing short of draconian . reason---the shiv sena's coffers are lying empty as all it's black money got demonetised during the note ban and it wants to recapitalise itself .

meanwhile the ban has come just when plastic was most required for protection from rains . the shiv sena has no time to fill up mumbai's potholes but has time to appoint inspectors who will harass people over plastic .
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^^ Nice strategy by khau sena. saanp (bjp) bhi mar jayega aur laathi (kamai) bhi nahi tootegi.
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Re: Plastic ban in Maharashtra

The amounts levied have been inspired by a Telegu movie, 'Bharat ane nenu'... I think the movie was released earlier this year, just before the plastic ban. If the public follow the law properly, the khau sena's coffers will remain empty.
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The amounts levied have been inspired by a Telegu movie, 'Bharat ane nenu'... I think the movie was released earlier this year, just before the plastic ban. If the public follow the law properly, the khau sena's coffers will remain empty.
It has soft songs which are very popular and gults keep humming them. Also is quite popular Ong gults. So no chance I am going to see it.
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Finally the plastic ban has been implemented in maharashtra . it was the brainchild of aditya thackeray and endorsed by amruta phadnavis the wife of maha CM .

The BJP wanted to reduce the fines levied from RS 5000 to 200 rupees per violation , which would have been hurting enough to the common man . but the shiv sena deliberately put it's foot down and insisted on RS 5000 for first violation , RS 10000 for second violation and RS 25000 for third plus jail of 3 months . this is nothing short of draconian . reason---the shiv sena's coffers are lying empty as all it's black money got demonetised during the note ban and it wants to recapitalise itself .

meanwhile the ban has come just when plastic was most required for protection from rains . the shiv sena has no time to fill up mumbai's potholes but has time to appoint inspectors who will harass people over plastic .
You are now writing the reality behind this ban!!
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in schema of things, not having plastic carry bags or what have you is minor inconvenience. paper bags don't clog the drains. you are right, people need an attitude change. based on your reaction, we probably should start with you
Thats news, great news !
BTW what about the wood, acids, bases, and tons and tons of water needed for making this virtually non reusable item?
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Plastic Ban in Maharashtra is the new revenue stream for the Shiv Sena.

Yes, I said it.

Shiv Sena lost a lot of money during demonetization. The real reason Uddhav Thackrey is mad at BJP and Modi is the loss of his black money.

So all these days he has been going around threatening to leave the BJP government. Its a different story that its monsoon when the Shiv Sena sponsored plastic ban law came into effect and the now the problem of keeping the Shiv Sena resignations dry in the pockets of the MLAs

Now that the BMC is going to be super alert and super efficient in collecting fines - in other words, harassing shopkeepers and public - the Shiv Sena supremos coffers will start filling up again.

This new plastic ban is a excellent way for collecting lost cash in demonetization.

The BJP state government knows this but owing to the crutches of the Sena to maintain seat count in the assembly, they have to turn a blind eye to it. This is the precise reason they allowed Sena to rule the roost in the BMC after municipal elections. They want to keep Sena busy with BMC so that they can govern the state.

Anyway, I should give Uddhav Thackrey kudos and full marks for coming up with such a brilliant scheme.


Ill effects of banning plastic
In India and in most parts of the world, people are very gullible and politicians put up a facade of decency and concern. So when Shiv Sena said 'Plastic is causing harm to the environment', no political party had the guts to question it lest they be seen as insensitive. On top of this, the idiots today who are on WhatsApp and other social media think that Environmental Protection is the supreme cause and should be cared for. They do not understand the realities behind this ban or any ban.

The problem in Mumbai and in India is two fold - The first is that people do not care for separation of trash and proper recycling of plastic. The other problem is that the BMC and other civic bodies were never interested and will never be in proper disposal of plastic and proper waste management.

So now, the brilliant minds of Shiv Sena politicians find a great way to tie plastic to an opportunity at filling their coffers.

I need not explain how banning plastic will be a step backward. With plastics you can wrap and prolong life of cooked food, you can do so many good things, thanks to the wonders of modern science of plastics.

Nobody thought about how school children will protect their books from rain in the monsoons, how important documents will be carried out in the rains, how computer equipment can be transported in rains and protected from dust during transport, how .. well the list is endless.


Anyway, now the environmentalists will clap with joy and wet their pants with their intellectual orgasms about the environment. But none of them are thinking about the bad effects on the environment at all. Now that paper bags are in demand or rather the only option, the production of paper products will have to ramp up.

And as far as my basic science knowledge goes, paper is produced from trees. You have to cut trees, use lots of water and chemicals to make paper. So does India have the vast forest lands like that of Canada? Does India have the endless water supply for making paper? And oh yes, the electricity consumed for the making paper is not less than that required for making plastic.

National level headache for BJP in coming elections
Now Uddhav and his gang (Sanjay Raut, Ramdas Kadam, et-al) will start a new issue before 2019 that why is BJP not implementing the same ban as Maharashtra at the national level.

They will offcourse do it for the 'environment', but it will be for political purposes. They want to put BJP in a tough spot. Talk about 'Ghar Ka Bhedi ...'

By this plastic ban, many small scale and mid scale industries will go out of business if implemented nationally. So Modi looses a lot of votes from people affected by this ban. Already BJP will loose a lot of votes in Maharashtra. Shiv Sena wants this to happen at the national level.


So, all in all - Our people have no thought process, no real good for the people and nation at heart when it comes to such issues. Just banning anything at the first sign of things is the way. And in this plastic ban case, there is a lot of thought to ... well, money offcourse!

That's it... This is the reality behind plastic ban and the headaches which BJP will face in 2019.
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Thumbs down Re: Plastic ban in Maharashtra

Plastic Ban in Maharashtra is the new revenue stream for the Shiv Sena.

Yes, I said it.

Shiv Sena lost a lot of money during demonetization. The real reason Uddhav Thackrey is mad at BJP and Modi is the loss of his black money.

So all these days he has been going around threatening to leave the BJP government. Its a different story that its monsoon when the Shiv Sena sponsored plastic ban law came into effect and the now the problem of keeping the Shiv Sena resignations dry in the pockets of the MLAs

Now that the BMC is going to be super alert and super efficient in collecting fines - in other words, harassing shopkeepers and public - the Shiv Sena supremos coffers will start filling up again.

This new plastic ban is a excellent way for collecting lost cash in demonetization.

The BJP state government knows this but owing to the crutches of the Sena to maintain seat count in the assembly, they have to turn a blind eye to it. This is the precise reason they allowed Sena to rule the roost in the BMC after municipal elections. They want to keep Sena busy with BMC so that they can govern the state.

Anyway, I should give Uddhav Thackrey kudos and full marks for coming up with such a brilliant scheme.


Ill effects of banning plastic
In India and in most parts of the world, people are very gullible and politicians put up a facade of decency and concern. So when Shiv Sena said 'Plastic is causing harm to the environment', no political party had the guts to question it lest they be seen as insensitive. On top of this, the idiots today who are on WhatsApp and other social media think that Environmental Protection is the supreme cause and should be cared for. They do not understand the realities behind this ban or any ban.

The problem in Mumbai and in India is two fold - The first is that people do not care for separation of trash and proper recycling of plastic. The other problem is that the BMC and other civic bodies were never interested and will never be in proper disposal of plastic and proper waste management.

So now, the brilliant minds of Shiv Sena politicians find a great way to tie plastic to an opportunity at filling their coffers.

I need not explain how banning plastic will be a step backward. With plastics you can wrap and prolong life of cooked food, you can do so many good things, thanks to the wonders of modern science of plastics.

Nobody thought about how school children will protect their books from rain in the monsoons, how important documents will be carried out in the rains, how computer equipment can be transported in rains and protected from dust during transport, how .. well the list is endless.


Anyway, now the environmentalists will clap with joy and wet their pants with their intellectual orgasms about the environment. But none of them are thinking about the bad effects on the environment at all. Now that paper bags are in demand or rather the only option, the production of paper products will have to ramp up.

And as far as my basic science knowledge goes, paper is produced from trees. You have to cut trees, use lots of water and chemicals to make paper. So does India have the vast forest lands like that of Canada? Does India have the endless water supply for making paper? And oh yes, the electricity consumed for the making paper is not less than that required for making plastic.

National level headache for BJP in coming elections
Now Uddhav and his gang (Sanjay Raut, Ramdas Kadam, et-al) will start a new issue before 2019 that why is BJP not implementing the same ban as Maharashtra at the national level.

They will offcourse do it for the 'environment', but it will be for political purposes. They want to put BJP in a tough spot. Talk about 'Ghar Ka Bhedi ...'

By this plastic ban, many small scale and mid scale industries will go out of business if implemented nationally. So Modi looses a lot of votes from people affected by this ban. Already BJP will loose a lot of votes in Maharashtra. Shiv Sena wants this to happen at the national level.


So, all in all - Our people have no thought process, no real good for the people and nation at heart when it comes to such issues. Just banning anything at the first sign of things is the way. And in this plastic ban case, there is a lot of thought to ... well, money offcourse!

That's it... This is the reality behind plastic ban and the headaches which BJP will face in 2019.
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I am not sure I am just too Naive or really thick. how will fines which should go to government treasury fill pockets of Shiv sena - even if they are in the government?
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I am not sure I am just too Naive or really thick. how will fines which should go to government treasury fill pockets of Shiv sena - even if they are in the government?
You really live in Utopia or are so damn innocent

Shiv Sena controlls which contractors get the road work and other works. The Sena controls the treasury as their party corporator. Look up what 'Standing Committee chairman' means. There are certain contractors which are on a official black list but they keep getting repeat contracts. There are .... uuuh...

Every ward officer in charge is given a 'target' for each month. The building department is given the biggest 'target' on a monthly basis. Try applying for a building permit in BMC ... Sub kuch samajh jaoogey.

There are a hundred ways for the Sena to get money from BMC coffers into their coffers. Go talk to a contractor ....

In India, despite Modi, the corruption works in every department and at every level.
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BTW what about the wood, acids, bases, and tons and tons of water needed for making this virtually non reusable item?
Banning that will hit Ambanis. So, unthinkable.

BTW, Before Ambanis got into Petrochemicals business in late 80s, there was hardly any plastic in use. Families used to use thailis for shopping vegetables and shopkeepers used to pack stuff in packets made of recycled newspaper.
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You really live in Utopia or are so damn innocent

Shiv Sena controlls which contractors get the road work and other works. The Sena controls the treasury as their party corporator. Look up what 'Standing Committee chairman' means. There are certain contractors which are on a official black list but they keep getting repeat contracts. There are .... uuuh...

Every ward officer in charge is given a 'target' for each month. The building department is given the biggest 'target' on a monthly basis. Try applying for a building permit in BMC ... Sub kuch samajh jaoogey.

There are a hundred ways for the Sena to get money from BMC coffers into their coffers. Go talk to a contractor ....

In India, despite Modi, the corruption works in every department and at every level.
I get it that there is corruption. I dont understand how enforcing plastic ban will be used by the corrupt unless it is at a micro level where every merchant getting fined pays Shiv sena 1000rs to escpae 5000rs ban....
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I get it that there is corruption. I dont understand how enforcing plastic ban will be used by the corrupt unless it is at a micro level where every merchant getting fined pays Shiv sena 1000rs to escpae 5000rs ban....
Yes you got it! BMC and police collect haftas from all shops - legal or illegal roadside stalls. This has been going on much before plastic ban. All this collection flows upwards to all in BMC and the lion's share goes to the local corporators and ultimately a part of it to party head honcho!

Every police station chief officer (SHO) is given a target, and so are ward officers in BMC. Its a well oiled machinery. Sad, but true
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