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Old April 2nd, 2017, 12:45 AM
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No Reservation for Muslims?

Friends,

I have come across some facts. Muslims make up 12% of the population, but have only 6% of all jobs. This is because 50% of positions are reserved for Hindus as SC, ST, OBC, etc, where Muslims cannot compete. Since Muslims can only compete half the jobs, they are getting only half the seats.

This is clear injustice. What should be done about this -

i) Either Remove all reservations for everyone

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ii) Have 12% reservation for Muslims.

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Old April 2nd, 2017, 03:04 AM
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Re: No Reservation for Muslims?

according to 2011 census , muslims form 14.2 percent of population . 12 percent is 20 year old figure of 1991 census .

i think OBC muslims ( probably hindu OBCs converted to islam long ago ) do have reservations . so do SC muslims ( SC converts ) , i guess .
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Re: No Reservation for Muslims?

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Friends,

I have come across some facts. Muslims make up 12% of the population, but have only 6% of all jobs. This is because 50% of positions are reserved for Hindus as SC, ST, OBC, etc, where Muslims cannot compete. Since Muslims can only compete half the jobs, they are getting only half the seats.

This is clear injustice. What should be done about this -

i) Either Remove all reservations for everyone

OR

ii) Have 12% reservation for Muslims.

That is my idea.
means you want all the Muslims to be in govt jobs ?

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according to 2011 census , Muslims form 14.2 percent of population . 12 percent is 20 year old figure of 1991 census .

i think OBC Muslims ( probably hindu OBCs converted to islam long ago ) do have reservations . so do SC Muslims ( SC converts ) , i guess .
don't believe census thats done during kaangress raj !
Do you believe they will be only 14% after 20years ? the census figures are rigged for Muslims and Christians which are their perpetual vote banks.
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Re: No Reservation for Muslims?

No. There should be no reservations for them. First, we should understand why reservation is needed and then see if they fit that objective.

If we give for Muslims, why not Christians and Sikhs?
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Re: No Reservation for Muslims?

Option 1 looks good, but who will bell the cat?

As mentioned by Kallu Pai, what are the numbers of Chrisitans and Sardajis. Or should we have a pro rep system in jobs too? Each community gets jobs in proportion to its numbers. Probably Parsis would end up with no jobs.
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Option 1 looks good, but who will bell the cat?

As mentioned by Kallu Pai, what are the numbers of Chrisitans and Sardajis. Or should we have a pro rep system in jobs too? Each community gets jobs in proportion to its numbers. Probably Parsis would end up with no jobs.
Christians and Sardarjis are about 2%.
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means you want all the Muslims to be in govt jobs ?



don't believe census thats done during kaangress raj !
Do you believe they will be only 14% after 20years ? the census figures are rigged for Muslims and Christians which are their perpetual vote banks.
shringarey will accept only census figures i guess . so i quoted them .
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Re: No Reservation for Muslims?

why are they not worried about jobs when they produce a dozen children in each family??? How can madrasa educated students who do not have a basic knowledge of math or science can get jobs?

This is not just an Indian phenomenon, muslims in every other country of the world are generally backward compared to the rest of population. This is something muslims have to look into as to why this is the case.

Or does it have to do something with islam?????
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Re: No Reservation for Muslims?

Recently somebody put a PIL in SC saying in the state of J&K, Hindus are in minority and should be given reservation instead of Muslims who are in huge majority and sucking all the resources. He stated out of like 2000 scholarships, not even 1 given to Hindus, and only a few going to sikhs and buddhists.

Following the same logic, Andaman and Nicobar also Hindus should get reservation being minority at 2% and in the states of Arunachal, Manipur, etc as well.

Basically it has to be at state level not national level according to constitution.
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Re: No Reservation for Muslims?

There is no reservation for CAs. how many Muslims are CAs? The most famous/infamous one i remember is Yakub Memon.

In 40s, one of the concerns was that all the government posts would be filled by Hindus. This was also a ground for asking partition.
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Re: No Reservation for Muslims?

Assuming both have 6 CGPA, reserved candidate and general candidate, how would be decide excellence?-------Jeetiaf.


In that case, the choice is obviously between Tweedledee and Tweedledum!
But, because of the evil reservations and quotas, a reserved guy with 6 CGPA gets preference over a guy with 8-9 CGPA!----And that MEANS mediocrity is being put on a pedestal!


In the armed forces, even physical attributes matter, so, the discretion of the 'selectors' is important!------------So long as the evil of caste and religion isn't a factor in the final selection, the selection will automatically be reasonably fair, and it doesn't matter if ALL those selected are Sikhs, Muslims, Brahmins, tribals, SC/ST etc..------because they will have had been considered as simple Indians!----And that is what 'merit' is all about!
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Re: No Reservation for Muslims?

Demanding reservations has become a fad. Be it Marathas in MH, Jatts in Harayana, Patels in Guj, Muslims, etc. What these people need to understand is that, firstly, the reservations enshrined in the constitution are for historically oppressed people who had absolutely no representation in the higher echelons. Secondly, these people who are enjoying reservations today were forced to do the most despicable jobs of the society and treated inhumanely for 1000s of years. So how many Marathas, Jatts, Patels or Muslim descended from such ancestry? If they want reservations, then let them devolve to the level SC/STs were, not thousands of years ago but at least, during independence. Let them take up manuel scavenging, be denied corporation/well water, move to the outskirts, be denied education, be enslaved to some chewtiya, etc...I hope people get the picture. And then let them decide if it is worth living like that for a few years to qualify for reservation. Apne aap MC logon ka pura nautanki bandh ho jayega. Bheekhmange saale!
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Re: No Reservation for Muslims?

There already are Brahmin scavengers in quite a few Municipalities------and Dalits are cribbing that these savarnas are now 'encroaching' on their traditional domains!
By the way, "Housekeeping jobs" are 'sophisticated' scavenging jobs!As for higher echelons, forget just Dalits, India has had even 'slaves' as rulers!
Also, who were Walmiki,Vyas, Atri, Shrunga (eventual bro. in law of Prabhu Ram), Matang etc.. etc.. etc..?
----------OK., they were all figments of imagination (----Ram didn't exist: secular congress petition in court)!
What about the Mauryas? Or the Nandas before them? Also Adi Sankara's Manisha Panchaka?
And then again, two wrongs don't make a right: If caste was evil then, it is evil now too!
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