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Old January 20th, 2009, 02:12 PM
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The middle eastern arabs might be very happy now.. After all someone with Hussein in his name has become US President.
One of these days ... I am going to sit down and draw it properly ... I cannot find the one I drew many years ago for some article. Imagine a person full of hate draws a circle of hatred around himself and locks you out. You do have option ... you draw a huge circle of love around him with you in it.

Thats what President Obama is practicing. President Obama is practicing and following in the footsteps of Mahatma Gandhi. Let's wish him luck ... let's pray he wins over bad people for the good of the world.
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One of these days ... I am going to sit down and draw it properly ... I cannot find the one I drew many years ago for some article. Imagine a person full of hate draws a circle of hatred around himself and locks you out. You do have option ... you draw a huge circle of love around him with you in it.

Thats what President Obama is practicing. President Obama is practicing and following in the footsteps of Mahatma Gandhi. Let's wish him luck ... let's pray he wins over bad people for the good of the world.
You are so naive and appear so innocent like a child with this statement. India tried love with Pakistan. Despite Kargil, we opened bus routes, train routes, got their singers to come to our TV shows and sing, we made films like Veer Zara showing how Pakistanis are good, we abandoned Gadar kind of India versus Pakistan films, we did free medical treatments and surgeries for many Pakistanis, we did so much. We did what Mahatma Gandhi would have done.

What did it get us? Mumbai was attacked on 26th Nov 2008. Why? Because Pakistanis still dont understand our love and good heart.

Pres. Obama had not even taken office, when Osama and his gang declared him to be responsible for recent Gaza battle.

No tantuji, the Arabs and Muslims who follow the extremist Wahabi form of Islam dont understand peace and love and all that. So its of no use.
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You are so naive and appear so innocent like a child with this statement. India tried love with Pakistan. Despite Kargil, we opened bus routes, train routes, got their singers to come to our TV shows and sing, we made films like Veer Zara showing how Pakistanis are good, we abandoned Gadar kind of India versus Pakistan films, we did free medical treatments and surgeries for many Pakistanis, we did so much. We did what Mahatma Gandhi would have done.

What did it get us? Mumbai was attacked on 26th Nov 2008. Why? Because Pakistanis still dont understand our love and good heart.

Pres. Obama had not even taken office, when Osama and his gang declared him to be responsible for recent Gaza battle.

No tantuji, the Arabs and Muslims who follow the extremist Wahabi form of Islam dont understand peace and love and all that. So its of no use.
You are mistaken again. India is not US and American leaders are not semsem as people you Indians elect to rule you.

Pakistan gives no shit for Indian overtures of love ... cause Indian leaders are weaklings. Enemies of India know ... Indians got no pride.

BhaYa ... India is not US. World knows ... US if forced can kick the shit out of devil. See what President Bush did to Sadam. And do you know why? No ... it had nothing to do with WMD or million other excuses. One reason good enough ... Sadam insulted Bush senior during Kuwait invasion.
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Qauwwali for Obama

NEW DELHI: In a rare act of political alchemy, Barack Hussein Obama united a South Asian Sufi tradition dating to the 16th century with the 21st,
as the strains of a special 'qawwali for Obama' soared into the night-time skies over one of India's most important dargahs.

The qawwali, the first ever to be held anywhere for the inauguration of an American president, is seen as a sign of the intense anticipation heralding the accession to office of a man whom India and much of the globe believes will bring relief, if not redemption to a world weary of war and strife.

Dewan Syed Ali Moosa Nizami, chairman and pir of the dargah of Hazrat Nizamuddin Auliya, where the qawwali was organised to herald "a new dawn of peace and hope in the world", said when Obama is sworn in as America's 44th president, "we hope it reinforces the Sufi tradition of peace and tolerance joining hearts, not cutting them asunder".

The pir added, in a nod to the congregation that usually assembles for the weekly qawwali on a Thursday, that "everyone, and Muslims too, has great hopes of Obama".

Some of those "hopes" were voiced by the pir's nephew, Ajmal, who appeared to speak for many disaffected young Muslims, both aspirational and traditionally bred to a intense antipathy towards America. In a reference to the famous dismissiveness towards his political masters by Auliya, one of the sub-continent's most influential teachers of Sufism, Ajmal said, "He disdained to meet kings and emperors, seven of them, but politics has always been linked to religion and we now hope Barack Obama
will bring about a really new world order".

But Ajmal's youthful agenda for Obama's brave new world came just as the 20-strong troupe of qawwals sang the customary sufi lovesong to the world's one constant, God. In a possible reference to the fact the Obama era too will pass, lead singer
Sultan Hussain Niyazi Qawwal chanted, "You (God) were here when there was nothing, not the sun, the moon, the stars, You were here, You're still here, You will be here when all will pass".
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BhaYa ... you added middle name? roflmao. I knew it. You will do it. My ass was itching all day ... I just couldn't figure out who in the name of Lord Krishna gona screw me on such a lovely day? Turned out to be you. I will remember. I can edit too or have you forgotten?

I just finished reading script of President's speech. Brilliant. Too good. Typical of American leaders ... pride and payback crosses party lines. Not one president who has followed has yet to forgive Iran for screwing around with innocent and naive, peanut farmer Jimmy Carter. Obama in not in the mood either.

First he tells enemies of the US (Iran and rest of terrorist nations?) "We are going to FUCK you and Fuck you real good" ... And after few sentences applies cold soothing balm ... "Well ... may be not ... not if you come around" ...

Sutradarji ... please read the speech. I have a strong feeling Obama is not going to be any different from Bush when it comes to dealing with mid-east problem. Difference between the two ... one ... Obama is gona screw them and make them smile at semsemtem.

President Obama treats India with same respect and kindness as his predecessor ... let's hope.
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BhaYa ... you added middle name? roflmao. I knew it. You will do it. My ass was itching all day ... I just couldn't figure out who in the name of Lord Krishna gona screw me on such a lovely day? Turned out to be you. I will remember. I can edit too or have you forgotten?

I just finished reading script of President's speech. Brilliant. Too good. Typical of American leaders ... pride and payback crosses party lines. Not one president who has followed has yet to forgive Iran for screwing around with innocent and naive, peanut farmer Jimmy Carter. Obama in not in the mood either.

First he tells enemies of the US (Iran and rest of terrorist nations?) "We are going to FUCK you and Fuck you real good" ... And after few sentences applies cold soothing balm ... "Well ... may be not ... not if you come around" ...

Sutradarji ... please read the speech. I have a strong feeling Obama is not going to be any different from Bush when it comes to dealing with mid-east problem. Difference between the two ... one ... Obama is gona screw them and make them smile at semsemtem.

President Obama treats India with same respect and kindness as his predecessor ... let's hope.
Bhaya aap mere bade bhai ho.. Aap se main panga kaise loo?

As to your glee at Obama, well you are entitled to be happy about that. I too wish he succeeds, and maybe he will, but I seriously doubt he can do much because there is a very strong lobby of extreme leftist Democrats in the House led by Nancy Pelosi who will corner Obama everytime he wants to do bipartisan politics and reach out across the aisle. You wait and watch.
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As to your glee at Obama, well you are entitled to be happy about that. I too wish he succeeds, and maybe he will, but I seriously doubt he can do much because there is a very strong lobby of extreme leftist Democrats in the House led by Nancy Pelosi who will corner Obama everytime he wants to do bipartisan politics and reach out across the aisle. You wait and watch.
Hope is all we can. America sneezes and world catches cold is no longer true. America catches cold and world gets pneumonia is more like it.

Obama is intelligent if you were to judge him by 2 years of flawless campaign ... and sustained, impeccable character ... given all the innuendos thrown his way.

He has been serenading extreme right journalists. He has turned campaign foe, Johan McCain, in to a supportive partner in the senate. He and Bush appear to have found new found love and respect for each other.

Let's hope Obama will not repeat mistakes of Ex-Pres. Bush. Bush was too trusting of people around him.
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Benediction at Obama 's inauguration, Rev. Joseph Lowery:

'Lord, in the memory of all the saints who from their labors rest, and in the joy of a new beginning, we ask you to help us work for that day when black will not be asked to get in back, when brown can stick around... when the red man can get ahead, man; and when white will embrace what is right. That all those who do justice and love mercy say Amen. Say Amen'...
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Does red man mean communist? Does this mean that we are to see socialism first and then slowly move towards communism in the USA?

Socialism will be the norm in the next 4 years is a given, but hope it does not progress further.

Okay I am re-reading the benediction again -

"when black will not be asked to get in back" - Okay so black folks should be treated as equal. Good.

"when brown can stick around" - What does this mean? What do you mean brown can stick around? We Indians are brown. Do we stick around America doing nothing? Are we thrown out? What does he mean by brown can stick around? What are we browns? Or are we so-so okay-okay folks but we can just stick around to be labourers? Or are we like workers who the big owner says - Okay brownie, you can sit outside and have the leftovers?


"when the red man can get ahead, man" - Okay this is for native Americans. Okay they need to go ahead in life. Already they have lots of casinos on reservation lands. So okay, let them open more casinos and earn more and go ahead in life. Yes, no problem. We do computer software, they do casino. Seriously, nothing wrong.


"when white will embrace what is right" - Oh, I did not know what this meant till I read it again. Initially I thought white folks should embrace the right wing of politics. Then I thought how come? Oh, maybe it means whites should now follow the path of righteousness? Or is it that whites were wrong all this time and now they should do right?

I dont know why but this whole benediction felt very very racist! And these holier-than-thou lefties are talking about race equality Why the fuck are skin colors being made a big deal of in an important event??

This feels more like the Obama's pastor Rev. Jeremiah Wright's fiery racist chant in a milder dose.
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Okay I am re-reading the benediction again -

"when black will not be asked to get in back" - Okay so black folks should be treated as equal. Good.

"when brown can stick around" - What does this mean? What do you mean brown can stick around? We Indians are brown. Do we stick around America doing nothing? Are we thrown out? What does he mean by brown can stick around? What are we browns? Or are we so-so okay-okay folks but we can just stick around to be labourers? Or are we like workers who the big owner says - Okay brownie, you can sit outside and have the leftovers?


"when the red man can get ahead, man" - Okay this is for native Americans. Okay they need to go ahead in life. Already they have lots of casinos on reservation lands. So okay, let them open more casinos and earn more and go ahead in life. Yes, no problem. We do computer software, they do casino. Seriously, nothing wrong.


"when white will embrace what is right" - Oh, I did not know what this meant till I read it again. Initially I thought white folks should embrace the right wing of politics. Then I thought how come? Oh, maybe it means whites should now follow the path of righteousness? Or is it that whites were wrong all this time and now they should do right?

I dont know why but this whole benediction felt very very racist! And these holier-than-thou lefties are talking about race equality Why the fuck are skin colors being made a big deal of in an important event??

This feels more like the Obama's pastor Rev. Jeremiah Wright's fiery racist chant in a milder dose.
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Okay, now I heard it again... the text originally posted missed one more phrase.

"when yellow can be mellow" - Oh so the yellow means Chinese, Japanese, Koreans, Vietnamese, and all other Asians.. Hmm... I did not know that all Asians were Bruce Lees or Jackie Chan - always agressive and ready for action! So does it mean that all Asians need to take anger management classes or give up their martial arts and mellow down?
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Sutradarji ... Sutradarji ... you are reading it all wrong ... upside down. Here let me explain ... its so simple really.



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"when black will not be asked to get in back" - Okay so black folks should be treated as equal. Good.

No. Its not what you think. Being Pandrahinchi I know what he means. Its like this ... many people out there got impression that us Pandrahinchees are like machine. We come out and can go in back again. No. We are also human being. We need to rest and recuperate our energy before we can get in back again.



"when brown can stick around" - What does this mean? What do you mean brown can stick around? We Indians are brown.

Sutradarji ... he meant no insult to us Indians. You must read it like Landyabhai. Philosophically.

BROWN ... what is the first thing that comes to your mind? SHIT. That's right ... shit. Brown=shit.

We human do shitty things ... bad things. We do shitty things, wipe our ass clean, and think we are clean. WRONG. Brown (shit) should stick around a shitty person till person has paid his dues to the society.

Now everything else will make sense ... please try or I come back to explain.



"when the red man can get ahead, man" - Okay this is for native Americans. Okay they need to go ahead in life. Already they have lots of casinos on reservation lands. So okay, let them open more casinos and earn more and go ahead in life. Yes, no problem. We do computer software, they do casino. Seriously, nothing wrong.


"when white will embrace what is right"
- Oh, I did not know what this meant till I read it again. Initially I thought white folks should embrace the right wing of politics. Then I thought how come? Oh, maybe it means whites should now follow the path of righteousness? Or is it that whites were wrong all this time and now they should do right?

I dont know why but this whole benediction felt very very racist! And these holier-than-thou lefties are talking about race equality Why the fuck are skin colors being made a big deal of in an important event??

This feels more like the Obama's pastor Rev. Jeremiah Wright's fiery racist chant in a milder dose.

Okay, now I heard it again... the text originally posted missed one more phrase.

"when yellow can be mellow" - Oh so the yellow means Chinese, Japanese, Koreans, Vietnamese, and all other Asians.. Hmm... I did not know that all Asians were Bruce Lees or Jackie Chan - always agressive and ready for action! So does it mean that all Asians need to take anger management classes or give up their martial arts and mellow down?
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Sutradarji ... Sutradarji ... you are reading it all wrong ... upside down. Here let me explain ... its so simple really.





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Hope is all we can. America sneezes and world catches cold is no longer true. America catches cold and world gets pneumonia is more like it.

Obama is intelligent if you were to judge him by 2 years of flawless campaign ... and sustained, impeccable character ... given all the innuendos thrown his way.

He has been serenading extreme right journalists. He has turned campaign foe, Johan McCain, in to a supportive partner in the senate. He and Bush appear to have found new found love and respect for each other.

Let's hope Obama will not repeat mistakes of Ex-Pres. Bush. Bush was too trusting of people around him.
Tantuji,

I have respect for Pres. Bush as he did somethings very right. However, if you search my posts I have said it often that Pres. Bush deserted his core voter base and tried to reach over to the other side. This never works, and the recent example was the last days of BJP in power in India. Vajpayee ji was a good man and he deserted the core voter base thinking that the other side will come over. It never worked and will never work.

In case of Pres. Bush, he deserted his Conservative principles and deserted his conservative voter base.

I am not going to sit here and only bash Obama because he is a liberal. Here, the article below, which I should not be posting as I support Pres. Bush, is proof enough that I am not totally biased. While I have a soft spot in my heart for Pres. Bush - I just like him a lot - I cannot close my eyes to some of the things he did which made him distant from his voter base.

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Monday, January 19, 2009 5:17 PM


"This administration has had a good, solid record, and I'm very proud of it. I tell people I leave town with a great sense of accomplishment and my head held high.”

—George W. Bush, Jan. 13, 2009



As the 43rd president waves goodbye to Washington, relatively few Americans share his proud assessment of his own presidency.

George W. Bush leaves the White House with one of the lowest approval ratings in history. According to Gallup, only Richard Nixon and Harry Truman, who suffered the double whammy of a bad economy and the unpopular Korean War, had lower approval ratings when they left the White House.

Today, Bush’s legacy to his successor is two unresolved wars, a global image that is deeply tarnished, and the greatest economic crisis in modern times.

Conservatives who backed Bush in two successive elections have little to show for their efforts. Bush, in fact, has decimated the Republican brand.

Bush oversaw the greatest increase in discretionary social spending in history as the federal government usurped new powers in its war on terror. He placed the United States on a global interventionist path for the elusive goal of “democracy.” Ronald Reagan would not be able to recognize the party he knew, which espoused limited government, protection of personal liberty, and the idea that the U.S. should lead globally by example rather than by force.

The best that can be said of President Bush is that he kept America’s homeland safe. During his watch, we did not experience another terror attack on U.S. soil after Sept. 11.

It is a laudable fact, but one that came at enormous financial cost and an erosion of personal freedoms. Still, for all the talk about al-Qaida’s weakened state, Osama bin Laden remains at large despite Bush’s pledge to capture him “dead or alive.”

And if a major terror attack were to take place under the new Obama administration, his supporters will be quick to pin the blame on the Bush regime.

Voters’ bitter memories of George Bush may soften with time. As Truman’s example suggests, presidencies often appear quite different once placed in a historical context.

On the other hand, if the economic crisis worsens or another major terror attack happened soon after Bush departs the White House, he may be “Hooverized” – with a generation of Democratic politicians running successfully against his memory as they did against Herbert Hoover whose policies were linked to the Great Depression.

There’s no escaping the fact that Bush presided over one of the most tumultuous, and least popular, presidencies of modern times, in large part because of the Iraq war.

The U.S. invasion and occupation of Iraq have come at enormous cost in terms of blood and national treasure.

About 4,200 Americans have died, and more than 30,000 have been wounded. The U.S. has spent more than $800 billion on the Iraq effort, with estimates of the ultimate cost as high as $4 trillion.

The war was justified on the legitimate evidence, first offered by the Clinton administration, that Saddam Hussein was intent on developing weapons of mass destruction, including nuclear weapons. Hussein had flouted agreements with the United Nations, and his riddance was a desirable goal.

But almost from the beginning, the war was flawed. The American occupiers quickly fired the entire Iraqi military, leaving not only a tremendous vacuum of authority but also turning loose trained military professionals to join terror cells and paramilitary groups who would work to undermine the U.S. efforts.

Some Pentagon military advisers suggested the U.S. military force was too light to accomplish the goal of both invading Iraq and stabilizing the country. Bush and Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld strongly resisted deploying a larger force.

And as casualties mounted in the early part of the war, the administration continued to resist sending additional troops. Only after the 2006 elections did Bush sign off on the surge that added 30,000 troops in the spring of 2007, under the command of Gen. David Petraeus.

The surge helped, as did a more aggressive policy to pay off Iraqi Sunnis who turned against al-Qaida — the so-called “Anbar Awakening.”

Another ingredient: U.S. and Iraqi authorities rounded up tens of thousands of likely dissidents and imprisoned them. The effect of this action may be short lived, as many of these agitators eventually will be released. But the immediate impact of the surge has been good. By the end of 2008, U.S. troop deaths dropped to an average of 14 per month, down from 100 a month two previous years.

Still, the likelihood is that such calm will not prevail once American troops are removed and the goal of establishing a stable democracy in an Arab state may still prove elusive.

It should be remembered that, sometime after the invasion, the raison d’etre of the war changed from removing Saddam from power and stopping his weapons of mass destruction program to a dreamy plan of creating a democracy in Iraq.

In Bush’s second inauguration speech, he echoed the thoughts expressed in former Soviet dissident Natan Sharansky’s book “The Case for Democracy: The Power of Freedom to Overcome Tyranny and Terror.” Bush said: “The survival of liberty in our land increasingly depends on the success of liberty in other lands. The best hope for peace in our world is the expansion of freedom in all the world.”

Such Wilsonian thoughts are laudable, but have long been discarded by conservatives as dangerous and unworkable. Even Sharansky himself had said that Iraq did not have the necessary cultural and political ingredients to create a stable democracy.

In that effort to create a new Iraqi democracy, the Sunni Muslims — more sympathetic to the West — were pushed aside and the Shias ascended to power in Baghdad. The American-backed power shift in Iraq also created a new regional ally for Shia-dominated Iran, a major threat to the region.

After 9/11, as the U.S. considered making Saddam’s regime its prime target of revenge, then-Secretary of State Colin Powell reportedly warned the president, "You are going to be the proud owner of 25 million people.” He noted that the U.S. would have little room to maneuver in dealing with other global problems.

"It's going to suck the oxygen out of everything," Powell added. "This will become the first term."

It also became the second term. Powell’s stunning assessment was accurate. The U.S. became stuck in an Iraqi mire after its successful 2003 invasion, meanwhile elsewhere its enemies grew in power.

Shortly after Sept. 11, Bush himself warned of an “axis of evil” and identified not only Iraq but also Iran and North Korea as posing real threats to American security interests. Ironically, as a result of U.S. efforts to occupy Iraq, Iran and North Korea have progressed in their desire to develop weapons of mass destruction.

Iran, for example, continues to defy U.N. Security Council demands to suspend its controversial uranium enrichment program, which is key to fashioning fuel for an atomic weapon. A recent report disclosed that Iran could soon have enough enriched uranium to build a small nuclear weapon. That’s a daunting thought considering that Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has said Israel should be “wiped off the map.”

More disturbing is a recent New York Times report that Bush rejected a plea from Israel last year to help it raid Iran’s main nuclear complex.

The Times said Israel was rebuffed after it requested from the U.S. specialized bunker-busting bombs that it needs to attack Iran’s nuclear complex at Natanz. The U.S. also reportedly nixed permission to the Israeli warplanes to fly over Iraqi territory to reach Iran.

With the focus in Iraq, the second war, in Afghanistan, almost became a forgotten one. The effort at first appeared to be highly successful, dethroning the Taliban, with the U.S. and NATO seemingly playing ancillary roles to bolster an indigenous government. But the government of Hamid Karzai has weakened increasingly and is rife with corruption. The Taliban has regrouped and has benefited from the Afghan opium poppy trade, which has grown enormously. Now the U.S. is preparing to pour at least 20,000 extra troops into southern Afghanistan to cope with a Taliban insurgency that is fiercer than NATO leaders expected.

As the U.S. is bogged down in Iraq and Afghanistan, Russia has aggressively asserted its power over its neighbors. It recently used its “energy weapon” and shut down its delivery of natural gas to Eastern Europe via the pipeline network in Ukraine over a pricing dispute. It shockingly disregarded all international conventions by sending its troops into Georgia. Its strongman, Vladimir Putin, has moved his nation from a nurturing democracy to an authoritarian state.

Others, such as Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez, also have run amok, thumbing their noses right in our own back yard. Across Latin America, with Chavez financing, leftist, anti-American governments have swept to power. In Mexico, perhaps the most critical nation for the U.S., the political infrastructure has crumbled as it moves perilously close to becoming a narco-regime.

A U.S. military report warned that Mexico could face a “rapid and sudden collapse,” and just last week, retiring CIA Director Michael Hayden said Mexico could rank alongside Iran as a challenge for Barack Obama and be a greater problem than Iraq.

Perhaps the most calamitous effect of the Iraq war is the decline of the Republican Party’s fortunes. When Bush came to power in 2001, the GOP controlled both the House and Senate. But with the war wearing thin and no clear exit strategy in place, the Republicans lost control of both houses in 2006 after a dozen years in power.

The signal from the American people was clear that the Iraq war, at least its prosecution outlined by the president, did not have their support.

Rather than act on that signal, Bush refused to offer a practical exit strategy. The Republicans in Congress, who should have read the tea leaves and begun distancing themselves from Bush, continued their unfailing support the president.

The results in 2008 were disastrous. Obama, the most liberal candidate ever nominated, not only won the nomination from favorite Hillary Clinton, who had been early supporter of the war, but also delivered a crushing defeat of Republican John McCain, carrying 29 states and winning 365 electoral votes.

Republicans in Congress, who could have mitigated losses by becoming an active critic of Bush’s domestic policies, were hit harder. In the House, Democrats gained 21 seats to hold a 257-178 majority, while they picked up seven seats in the Senate for a total of 58, not including the disputed Senate seat that shows Al Franken leading in Minnesota.

Bush knew that his unchanging and unyielding course would hurt the party, recently saying he refused to "bail out my political party" by withdrawing troops "during the darkest days of Iraq."

He said in an interview: "I had faith that freedom exists in people's souls and therefore, if given a chance, democracy and Iraqi-style democracy could survive and work. I didn't compromise that principle for the sake of trying to bail out my political party."

But by failing to modify his desire for long-term democracy in Iraq and to offer a clear exit strategy, Bush not only hurt his own party but also helped his strongest political adversaries, paving the way for Democrats to gain almost complete hegemony over Congress and putting a strident critic of the Iraq war in White House. Obama, while moderating on issues since his election, has stated that he will seek a pullout of all U.S. forces within the first 16 months of taking office.

In the end, the result of the Iraq war will likely be no democracy in Iraq, virulently liberal control of all three branches of the federal government, and the threatened extinction of the Republican Party itself.

Bush’s preoccupation with Iraq and issues abroad also turned his attention away from pressing domestic issues and contributed to several major problems, including the financial meltdown.

The Bush-led federal government’s sluggish response to Hurricane Katrina drew widespread criticism and turned public sentiment against Bush and the Republicans after their post-9/11 rise in popularity.

A Vanity Fair article featuring interviews with people close to Bush disclosed that the consensus among his friends and critics alike is that Katrina marked the turning point of his presidency.

Dan Bartlett, White House communications director and later counselor to the president, was quoted as saying: “Politically, it was the final nail in the coffin.”

And Matthew Dowd, Bush's pollster, said: “Katrina to me was the tipping point. The president broke his bond with the public. Once that bond was broken, he no longer had the capacity to talk to the American public.”

Bush had the misfortune of being in office during the bursting of the housing bubble and the financial calamity that followed.

At a recent news conference, Bush said it was not his fault that the economy tanked on his watch, as if he were an innocent victim of the meltdown. But Bush is not without blame in the ongoing crisis.

During Bush’s tenure, his administration pushed the Federal Reserve for easy money as his administration turned a blind eye to far out banking practices, such as zero percent equity mortgages and Wall Street financial practices that were motivated by greed, not good business sense.

Huge amounts of cash flowed into new types of securities following the 2001 downturn, after the Federal Reserve slashed interest rates to essentially replace the tech-equity bubble with a housing bubble. This occurred without the preoccupied Bush strengthening regulatory oversight to reduce risks to the overall economy.

The bottom line is that Bush’s overriding focus on Iraq — and his refusal to readjust course as circumstances and facts warranted – became the touchstone of an administration that, in so many areas, seemed unaccountable to principles or good sense.

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Conditional non-military aid to Pakistan: Obama

21 Jan 2009, 1130 hrs IST, PTI

WASHINGTON: The new Obama administration cautioned Pakistan that it would be held accountable for the security in the border regions of Afghanistan
and that its performance in the fight against terrorism would be linked to the financial aid to them. ( Watch )

"(President Barack) Obama and (Vice President Joe) Biden will increase non-military aid to Pakistan and hold them accountable for security in the border region with Afghanistan," the White House said in its foreign policy agenda document released soon after Obama occupied the Oval office.

Biden, a known expert on Afghanistan and Pakistan, then in the capacity as the Chairman of the powerful Senate Foreign Relations Committee, had introduced legislation in the US Senate in this regard.

Co-authored jointly by the Republican Senator, Richard Lugar, the legislation proposes to triple non-military aid to Pakistan in the next five years.

The legislation authorises USD 7.5 billion over five years in aid that can be used for development purposes, such as building schools, roads and clinics. The bill also calls for greater accountability on security assistance, to improve Pakistani counterterrorism capabilities and ensure more effective efforts against the Taliban and al-Qaida.

The foreign policy agenda of the Obama administration on Pakistan is in tune with the well known policies of Biden,
which was also echoed by the Secretary of State-designate, Hillary Clinton during her nomination hearing before the
Senate Foreign Relations Committee early this month.

As the key points of the Obama's foreign policy agenda revealed yesterday indicated, the new administration is expected to follow the key elements of Biden-Lugar proposals introduced last year.

In lieu of USD 1.5 billion of non-military aid to Pakistan, Islamabad would be required to making concerted efforts to prevent al-Qaida and associated terrorist groups from operating in its territory and make concerted efforts to prevent the Taliban from using its territory as a sanctuary to launch attacks within Afghanistan.

Islamabad would also need to ensure that it does not materially interfere in the political or judicial processes of the country, the legislation says.

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Sorry tantuji, I cannot agree with you. I found it racist. There was no need to discuss color of skins of any race.
BhaYa ... I know but you must also appreciate the day when white, brown, pink, yellow, young, old, men, women got into a mix-bag of emotions like never felt before in the history of the US. Imagine 2 Million people and most of them came from places so far that some spent 20 hours in trains and buses. 2 million people walked miles to be there to celebrate a victory.

Old man must have been 80+? There is no way in the world that we or anyone for that matter could place ourself in his shoes to feel his emotions. 40 years ago this man couldn't sit next to a white man in buses or trains. He couldn't travel from one state to another for fear of being beaten up or worse. He had to sit in the back of the buses so as not to offend white people. He was deprived of education due to segregation policies.

Sutradarji ... let's not try to make sense out of his words cause we won't understand ... is all I am saying. A seasoned speaker like Obama couldn't control his emotions. Fumbling for words he giggled like a child. Unbelievable.

McCain was a hero, is a hero, and will remain a hero. But this was the time for a change. Next black person running for the office of president will not need to have a white parent. McCain didn't loose ... he won because his America won. This is the time for citizens to put aside all their differences and support this man for he is truly blessed. Otherwise what were the chances of his winning?
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