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Old March 7th, 2008, 10:45 AM
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Red face Time to say goodbye to BlackBerry in India? Govt. bans usage!

Do you have a BlackBerry in India? Most likely you have to say goodbye to it. Why? Its the Indian Government, stupid!

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CNBC-TV18's Sandeep Gurumurthi reports that Tata Teleservices' application to offer BlackBerry Services in India has been rejected after the Department of Telecom (DoT) forwarded the request to the Union Ministry of Home Affairs (MHA).


Anil Sardana, Managing Director of TTSL, told reporters in New Delhi this morning that they were told by the MHA that the BlackBerry service does not allow for "lawful interception" mandated for all Value Added Services (VAS).


Sources tell CNBC-TV18 that when Tata Tele asked DoT why other operators were being allowed, the DoT fired off letters to existing BlackBerry providers seeking an explanation. Sources also say that two rounds of discussion have happened between these operators and the MHA. A final call is expected to be taken in a meeting with the Telecom Secretary next week.


A spokesperson from RIM the company that offers the BlackBerry service said: "RIM supports its carrier partners in India and we will work together with them to seek further clarity."



Security experts we spoke to were sceptical of the claim, saying that in June last year the French government had advised officials not to use BlackBerry services for precisely the opposite reasons. At that time, officals at RIM claimed that even they did not have access to the data on their servers (a questionable claim in itself), an explanation that could have them in a spot when they meet with Indian authorities.


Of course, we at Tech2.com are also sceptical about the national security bogey being brought up on every occasion. Indeed, the last thing the increasingly tech-savvy terrorist is likely to use is a BlackBerry. After all, he will either have to use corporate email or operator-provided mail (@blackberry.airtel.in, for example) both of which are easily traceable it's not like RIM is a company that's going to disappear overnight.
Nevertheless, it's tense times ahead for India's crackberries!




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Old March 7th, 2008, 01:05 PM
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Re: Time to say goodbye to BlackBerry in India? Govt. bans usage!

there are better phone available in india any ways. loosing blackberry will make no difference.
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Re: Time to say goodbye to BlackBerry in India? Govt. bans usage!

blackberry isnt popular at all in india..besides TRAI is fill of bose dk's they have also rejected the idea of vodafone cdma..of renting out handsets...they are a set of dehati ppl who cant progress as the technology does..
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Re: Time to say goodbye to BlackBerry in India? Govt. bans usage!

therez blackberry with airtel and hutch already in india..
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Re: Time to say goodbye to BlackBerry in India? Govt. bans usage!

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blackberry isnt popular at all in india..
Bhai kya bol rahe ho? I use the 8830 from Reliance myself.

http://www.rcom.co.in/blackberry/html/cdma_handset.htm

Also know many Blackberry & Nokia E-series users, whose handsets are Blackberry service dependant & use them frequently for accessing mails.

The Government cannot tell service providers to abruptly discontinue this service for the mentioned stupid reasons as there are many Corporates & individual users who use it.

No one would buy into this possibility of a tech-savvy terrorist using a BlackBerry. Yeah!

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Re: Time to say goodbye to BlackBerry in India? Govt. bans usage!

well i dont know abt CDMA but GSm users havent really tried to use up..for sending e-mails people can always use other phones...especially all symbian os phones which can be connected via gprs..the promise which blackberry with which blackberry came to india ,i dont think it has gained enough popularity in this country where here are few people who change their cells every month..E50 has its own customers and is popular among that set of phone..but for these kind of phones its better to have WCDMA which i think we dont have yet in india...WCDMA is available in USA and hence the sales of blackberry are too high compared to any other brand
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Why India wants to stop Blackberry services

Surajeet Das Gupta & Leslie D'Monte | PTI | March 12, 2008 | 01:51 IST

Indian operators offering BlackBerry services, top executives of Canadian telco Research in Motion (RIM), the company that owns the brand, security agencies and officials of the Department of Telecommunications (DoT) are expected to meet on March 14 to answer the concerns of security agencies in a bid to prevent having BlackBerry services terminated after the March-end deadline.

BlackBerry has an estimated 400,000 subscribers in India. RIM has been asked to give access to its algorithims (needed to decrypt messages), according to a source.

"The security agencies are saying that we should have access to data that are being encrypted by services like BlackBerry on mobile phones and then decrypted when the phone reaches its nominated destination," the source added. RIM does not, or has not been asked, to do this in any other country but is considering the matter.

The case, meanwhile, has opened a Pandora's box in India. Operators note that if BlackBerry services are banned, security agencies could even target various e-commerce applications ? especially money transfers ? that use encryption.

Encryption is the process of converting information into a form that is unintelligible to anyone except holders of a specific cryptographic key (the intended recipient). This will make e-commerce virtually impossible.

"The argument can logically be extended to all encrypted transactions on wireless devices including banking, e-commerce, email and chat. It will also have a significant impact on privacy concerns for consumers. Much thought needs to be applied before deciding on it," said Alok Shende, Practice Head, Datamonitor India.

Indeed, scrutiny has already been stepped up for all Internet Service Providers (ISPs).

Rajesh Chharia, President, Internet Service Providers Association of India (ISPAI), noted: "Routine check-ups are fine with us since the issue is one of national security. All ISPs must, and will, cooperate. What is of concern, though, is the fact that we have been asked to reduce the encryption from 128-bit to 40-bit, which is ridiculous."

The demand, he said, will put the entire online banking and e-commerce sectors in jeopardy. Having represented our concerns, we have yet to receive a response from DoT on this issue."

Cyberlaw experts, too, are concerned over the developments. While the government's motive is good, the Indian Information Technology (IT) Act, 2000 is very unclear on this subject, noted Pavan Duggal, Supreme Court advocate and cyberlaw expert.

"Only Section 69 (Sub-section 2) gives the Controller of Certifying Authority the power to order the interception of electronic communication on computer systems located in India," he points out. In RIM's case, though, decryption is not possible without RIM's consent, which is why the government is fuming.

"This is, perhaps, the first time that the government is admitting to intercepting electronic communication. Blanket power to intercept emails will probably end up diluting the legal validity of encrypted communication in an age when privacy is of utmost importance to corporate and individuals. The Indian government could be firm, asking RIM (or any other player) to take action on a specific case that arouses suspicion. It may not be wise and practical to ban the services altogether," said Na Vijayashankar, cyberlaw expert.

Some technology experts like Vijay Mukhi note that if the email originates from India, it can be intercepted at the wireless service provider's end, since the nodes are in India.

The problem arises if the email originates from a BlackBerry device (since it goes to a server outside India where it gets encrypted). Even then, monitoring every mail that emanates from a server outside India will lead to a ridiculous state of affairs. All email services with servers in foreign lands will have to be shut down.


Google and Yahoo declined to comment on the issue and Microsoft India said the issue was not of immediate concern to them.

Sumeet Gugnani, Director, Mobile Communication Business, Microsoft India, said: "Windows Mobile-enabled handheld devices and cellphones enable users to configure mails on their respective in-house (read in India) exchange servers if they so wish."


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Re: Time to say goodbye to BlackBerry in India? Govt. bans usage!

What a bunch of idiots !!! When no other country in the world requires that, why the Indian security agencies require the algorithms ?
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Thumbs down Blackberry spurns Indian spy call



The Canadian manufacturer of Blackberry mobile phones has rejected demands by the Indian government that it help decrypt suspicious text messages.


Research in Motion says its technology does not allow any third party - even the company itself - to read information sent over its network.
The Indian authorities have been reluctant to allow the widespread use of Blackberries in the country.
They fear militants and criminals may take advantage of the secure system.
A number of other countries around the world have expressed similar fears.

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"The Blackberry security architecture for enterprise customers is purposefully designed to exclude the capability for Research in Motion (RIM) or any third party to read encrypted information under any circumstances," the company was quoted by Times of India newspaper as saying.
The Indian government's department of telecommunication and the security agencies have asked the Canadian firm to provide the master key so that they can access the contents transferred between the handheld devices.
In India, Blackberry services are provided by Bharti Airtel, Reliance Communications, Vodafone and BPL Mobile. The country has only about 115,000 Blackberry customers at the moment, but it is a rapidly growing market.

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This is all bullshit , I have friends in all networks , gsm/cdma who are using blackberry .
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What a bunch of idiots !!! When no other country in the world requires that, why the Indian security agencies require the algorithms ?
u think US govt allows all these zombie blackberries to exist in America with out RIM giving out the decryption algorithm????
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u think US govt allows all these zombie blackberries to exist in America with out RIM giving out the decryption algorithm????
US does not allow more than 128 bit encryption software for routers, switches, etc. to be exported by vendors here without permission from the US defense dept.
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