View Full Version : Kashmir is our unfinished agenda: Pak

February 23rd, 2001, 12:58 PM
Here we go again. No amount of peace overtures, self-declared cease-fire and real willingness to work out a solution deter these stupid Pakis.

Now without getting into just flames for Pakistan, share with all of us your opinions and any suggestions.

Here is more :rolleyes:

ISLAMABAD: Pakistan has said it considered Kashmir as its unfinished agenda and that Islamabad wanted jehad (holy war) in Kashmir to continue. "We respect jehadi outfits and we never called for giving up jehad in Kashmir," Pakistan's interior minister Moinuddin Haider said in a face-to-face meeting with leaders of various Pakistan-based militant organisations.

"We do say that what is going on in Kashmir is indigenous jehad and not terrorism," Urdu daily Jang, which organised the meeting, said in its report on Friday.

He said Islamabad considers Kashmir as an unfinished agenda of Pakistan and it would not backtrack on the issue.

More at: http://www.timesofindia.com/today/23woru4.htm

February 23rd, 2001, 07:27 PM
Usually such topics fan the emotions of some of our eCharchans like rakhwala ;)

Well, any comments on this topic from all of you on this Pak statement?

February 23rd, 2001, 07:45 PM
So what else is new ?? Not like they suddenly changed their position.

I think statements like this are actually good for India. This as close to an admission of support for terrorism as you can get. Why this is important is that we dont live in a vacuum anymore. World opinion is very important in todays foreign policy.

We need an aggressive push towards winning world opinion. If we chalk up significant cases of Pakistan supporting terrorism, we can make and carry out a threat of full scale invasion of Pakistan without interference from anyone else. Lets face it .. we can easily destroy Pakistan, but not if they have support from the UN etc.

I honestly believe we need to prove in the court of the world that we have no other option but to declare war. That is why I think current policy of ceasefire is an excellent diplomatic move. Any aggression shown towards us would be considered one sided and not retaliatory, as was thought before.

February 24th, 2001, 01:00 AM
Came across an interesting article.

"The genie that cannot be bottled"

For over a decade now Pakistan has believed that the proxy war it has been waging in Jammu and Kashmir "is bleeding India white". Many of its generals and ISI chiefs have repeatedly argued that for every dollar Pakistan spends, India has to spend $ 33. Therefore, they argue, the costs of the jihad they are waging in Jammu and Kashmir are at India's cost.

Pakistan has quantified the murder and mayhem it has perpetrated in J&K for over a decade now in monetary terms. For any civilised society the cost of militancy can only be quantified in terms of loss of human lives. Over 26,000 persons have lost their lives in the last ten years of turmoil in the State. That is the cost the State has paid for the Pakistan-run proxy war.

Using jihad and the gun culture as tools of State policy to acquire strategic depth in Afghanistan and the territory in Jammu and Kashmir, have boomeranged on Pakistan. The high cost and loss of human lives that Pakistan has sustained in its sponsorship of terror in Afghanistan, J&K, in Chinese Xiangjiang, Bosnia, Kosovo and Chechnya has taken its toll in its own body politic. Evidence of this lies in the fervid efforts currently under way to de-weaponise the warring Islamic sects and ethnic groups within its own society. It is another thing that Pakistan does not wish to look at this cost.

The proliferation of arms as a result of Pakistan becoming a frontline state during the Afghanistan operation has led to the arming of various ethnic groups within Pakistan itself. There are an estimated one lakh Kalashnikovs in Karachi alone. Afghanistan has almost 10 million illegal weapons of all kinds. Many of them are sold in Peshawar for use in Karachi and other parts of the Pakistan. By allowing the ISI to satisfy its greed in the handling of Afghan weapons pipeline, Pakistan has succeeded in destroying the economy of Karachi.

Such has been the extent of proliferation in Pakistan that Jasjit Singh, Director, Institute of Defence Studies & Analyses (IDSA), was surprised during one of his visit there and learnt that university students, both boys and girls, carried AK-47s in their hostels. Therefore, it is not surprising that frequent sectarian conflicts are taking place in Pakistan. There is discontent in North West Frontier Province, Baluchistan and Sindh. Sunnis are clashing with Shias and the Mohajirs have their own scores to settle.

To consolidate its rule in Pakistan in the 80s General Zia-Ul-Haq promoted the madarsas. He was indirectly gathering support of religious parties to consolidate his rule and at the same time creating recruits to fight the anti-Soviet war in Afghanistan. This led to the Shia-Sunni schism. The Shia-run Tehri-e-Jafariya-e-Pakistan (TJP) was formed with the support of Iran to protect the interests of Shia groups against General Zia's implementation of Sunni laws. Saudi Arabia and Iraq supported the Sipah-e-Sahaba Pakistan (SSP) to offset the TJP and promote the interests of Sunni Muslims. Pakistan has allowed Sunni Saudi Arabia and Iraq on the one hand and Shia Iran to fund various groups to fight proxy wars on Pakistani soil which have taken the shape of deadly battles.

Its "schools of hate" (the madarsas) that were created to fight the proxy war in Afghanistan and later in Kashmir have no doubt served Pakistan's short term interests. But in the long term they have created rabid fundamentalists that may ultimately devour Pakistan. Today, there are over, 40,000 madarsas in Pakistan. Only 4,350 are registered with the government which were originally financed by the zakat (Islamic tax) and gave them some control over them. But now most of them are privately funded by Saudi Arabia, Iran and wealthy Pakistani businessmen settled abroad. It will now be difficult for Pakistan to rein in the jihadi forces.

Drugs are another menace. Supported by the United States, Pakistan allowed the production, refining and export of drugs during the Afghanistan war against the then Soviet Union. Vested interests within the government - political and military leadership use it to serve their interests apart from a small share being used for militancy in J&K.

Pakistani drugs today command a market share of $10-13 billion. The CIA report on "Heroin in Pakistan" alleges that former Premier Nawaz Sharief, the former President, Ghulam Ishaq Khan had links with the drug lords Haji Ayub Zaka Khel. The arrest of a squadron leader of the Pakistan Air force in the US established the official involvement of Pakistan in the drug trade. By allowing the trade to thrive Pakistan has created a generation of drug addicts within the country. There are three to four million registered drug addicts in Pakistan, within a population of less than a 100 million.

As the world moves forward into the 21st century, Pakistan continues to pursue retrogressive policies. Some of its above mentioned policies have led to Pakistan's diplomatic isolation. By sponsoring terrorism Pakistan has let loose hydra-headed monsters, whether in the form of drugs, weapons or the jihadi culture that may destroy its political and social fabric. That is the cost Pakistan is paying for waging its proxy wars.

You Reap What You Sow...