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MadrasiBabu
July 19th, 2001, 07:25 AM
The news item about Taliban which i have reproduced below speaks a lot of what to expect from Jehadi assh****. I think Aurengazeb (the Mughal emperor not the bugger who hangs around here!!) was a liberal compared to this one eyed Mullah Omar!!

The Taliban authorities have banned the import of some 30 items including pork, alcohol, pornographic material, musical instruments and nail polish as un-Islamic.

A decree issued by the Taliban militia's supreme leader Mullah Mohammad Omar, yesterday said border guards had been directed to monitor and implement the order.

Under the order, traders in Afghanistan will not be allowed to import pork, pig oil, products made from human hair, musical instruments, dish antenna, films and material or machinery used in cinematography, videos cassettes, tape recorders and pornographic movies.


The fundamentalist regime has also banned playing cards, chess and carom board, billiard tables, fireworks, nail polish, mannequins and catalogues with pictures of dresses. Import of neck ties and tie pins, Christmas cards and other greeting cards carrying images of living beings have also been banned. (PTI)

khanbaba
July 19th, 2001, 07:54 AM
Originally posted by MadrasiBabu
The news item about Taliban which i have reproduced below speaks a lot of what to expect from Jehadi assh****. I think Aurengazeb (the Mughal emperor not the bugger who hangs around here!!) was a liberal compared to this one eyed Mullah Omar!!

The Taliban authorities have banned the import of some 30 items including pork, alcohol, pornographic material, musical instruments and nail polish as un-Islamic.

A decree issued by the Taliban militia's supreme leader Mullah Mohammad Omar, yesterday said border guards had been directed to monitor and implement the order.

Under the order, traders in Afghanistan will not be allowed to import pork, pig oil, products made from human hair, musical instruments, dish antenna, films and material or machinery used in cinematography, videos cassettes, tape recorders and pornographic movies.


The fundamentalist regime has also banned playing cards, chess and carom board, billiard tables, fireworks, nail polish, mannequins and catalogues with pictures of dresses. Import of neck ties and tie pins, Christmas cards and other greeting cards carrying images of living beings have also been banned. (PTI)

mr. madrasibabu.... i repeatedly rqsted pls dont introduce topics based on relegious issues. i repeat my rqst and insist.

its a political forum and lets restrict to it.

i'll be grateful if u honor my rqst.

IA
July 19th, 2001, 07:58 AM
why r u so pissed baba truth is truth if hurts just don't read.

khopdi
July 19th, 2001, 07:59 AM
Thirty-thousand men and boys poured into the dilapidated Olympic sports stadium in Kabul, capital of Afghanistan. Street hawkers peddled nuts, biscuits and tea to the waiting crowd. The scheduled entertainment? They were there to see a young woman, Sohaila, receive 100 lashes, and to watch two thieves have their right hands amputated. Sohaila had been arrested walking with a man who was not a relative, a sufficient crime for her to be found guilty of adultery. Since she was single, it was punishable by flogging; had she been married, she would have been publicly stoned to death.



Talibs, like these boys, are authorized to use weapons and whips on women if they decide any are breaking the Taliban's repressive laws.

All photos for this article by Jan Goodwin.

Afraid of the Taliban's long reach, these Afghan schoolgirls cover their faces to avoid recognition, even in a refugee camp in Pakistan.


As Sohaila, completely covered in the shroud-like burqa veil, was forced to kneel and then flogged, Taliban "cheerleaders" had the stadium ringing with the chants of onlookers. Among those present there were just three women: the young Afghan, and two female relatives who had accompanied her. The crowd fell silent only when the luckless thieves were driven into the arena and pushed to the ground. Physicians using surgical scalpels promptly carried out the amputations. Holding the severed hands aloft by the index fingers, a grinning Taliban fighter warned the huge crowd, "These are the chopped-off hands of thieves, the punishment for any of you caught stealing." Then, to restore the party atmosphere, the thieves were driven in a jeep once around the stadium, a flourish that brought the crowd to their feet, as was intended.

These Friday circuses, at which Rome's Caligula would doubtless have felt at home, are to become weekly fixtures for the entertainment-starved male residents of Kabul. Now that "weak officials" have been purged from key ministries, says the city's governor, Manan Niazi, who like many of the regime's officials is also a mullah, the way has been cleared for such displays. "We have a lot of such unpunished cases, but the previous civil servants didn't have the courage to do what we are doing. These people have now been replaced, and these events will continue." In fact, the next scheduled program, as announced, would be one stoning to death and three amputations.

After 19 years of conflict, Kabul, once Afghanistan's symbol of modernity, is now the most war-damaged and landmined capital in the world.


Not so long ago, this avenue was a major, international shopping center. Today, these ruins reflect conditions in the rest of the country.


Earlier that same week, three men accused of "buggery" had been sentenced to death by being partially buried in the ground and then having a wall pushed over on them by a bulldozer, a bizarre and labor-intensive form of execution dreamed up by the supreme leader of the Taliban, the 36-year-old Mullah Mohammad Omar. After another man, a saboteur, was hanged, his corpse was driven around the city, swinging from a crane. Clearly, there is nothing covert about the regime's punitive measures. In fact, the Taliban insure they are as widely publicized as possible. Last March, for example, the regime's radio station, the only one permitted to operate, broadcast to the nation that a young woman caught trying to flee Afghanistan with a man who was not her relative had been stoned to death. On another occasion, it was announced over the airwaves that 225 women had been rounded up and sentenced to a lashing for violating the dress code. One woman had the top of her thumb amputated for the crime of wearing nail polish. And when the Taliban castrated and then hanged the former communist president and his brother in 1996, they left their bloodied bodies dangling from lampposts in busy downtown Kabul for three days. Photographs of the corpses appeared in news magazines and newspapers around the world.
The Taliban now control between 65 and 85 percent of Afghanistan, a country where statistics are anyone's guess. (Even the population size of Afghanistan is uncertain: possibly 15, maybe 22 million. The U.S. Department of State's figure on war fatalities-1.5 million- has not changed since 1985, although the armed conflict there is now in its 19th year.) For the last two years, the Taliban have been trying to win both a seat at the United Nations and international recognition. Thus far, only three countries have recognized the regime: Pakistan, the United Arab Emirates, and Saudi Arabia. And even Pakistan is becoming embarrassed by its neighbor.

Until the Taliban came to power, Saudi Arabia was the most oppressive country on earth for women, and many of the Taliban's restrictions are rooted in that hardline Gulf state's gender apartheid. Saudi Arabia has also been financially supportive of the Taliban and the religious schools in which they are indoctrinated. "We have long regarded the Saudi kingdom as our right hand," says the head of the Taliban governing council.

The Taliban regime claim they are restoring Afghanistan to the "purity of Islam," and the Western press invariably parrots them. But authorities in a number of Muslim countries insist that few of the regime's dictates have a basis in Islam. And just as the U.N. has denied the Taliban a seat in the General Assembly, so too, the Organization of Islamic Conference, a 55-country body, has withheld both a seat and recognition from the regime. "The Taliban is not the image the Islamic world wants to project," says one Muslim diplomat. And with good reason.

Now in its fourth year of existence, the pariah regime has expunged all leisure activities. Their list of what is illegal grows daily: music, movies and television, picnics, wedding parties, New Year celebrations, any kind of mixed-sex gathering. They've also banned children's toys, including dolls and kites; card and board games; cameras; photographs and paintings of people and animals; pet parakeets; cigarettes and alcohol; magazines and newspapers, and most books. They've even forbidden applause -- a moot point, since there's nothing left to applaud.


Below (left): Afghan women begging to survive. Below (right): Banned from college, women students continue their education in an underground school.



Veiled women at a supplementary feeding center for children. Forty percent of Kabul is now reduced to living on food handouts.



"Whatever we are doing in our country, it is not in order for the world to be happy with us," Sher Abbas Stanakzai, who until recently was the Taliban's 36-year-old deputy Minister of Foreign Affairs, told me during my visit. Explaining why his regime has banned virtually all forms of entertainment, he says, "Time should be spent serving the country and praying to God. Nothing else. Everything else is a waste of time, and people are not allowed to waste their time."
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khanbaba
July 19th, 2001, 08:06 AM
Originally posted by IA
why r u so pissed baba truth is truth if hurts just don't read.

if u ppl know very little about islam u should know that prok,pig, alcohol, music and related things are haram or makrooh in islam.

whatever relegion's follower u r, i believe no relegion of world appreciate to hurt the follower of othe relegion.

if ur relegion tells u not to respect other's relegious freedom then please go ahead.

and let me tell u something, using the same tone and language as a reply is not a big deal for me, i can do it very easily but.... then there will be no difference in IA THE PROUND INDIAN and khanbaba. i want to maintain the difference.

khopdi
July 19th, 2001, 08:11 AM
khanbaba // in that case u should not be using the internet // how come you are doing an unislamic act ??

khanbaba
July 19th, 2001, 08:20 AM
Originally posted by khopdi
khanbaba // in that case u should not be using the internet // how come you are doing an unislamic act ??

khopdi bhai.... using internet is not an unislamic act provided its being used within limits set by islam. islam is not against any tool which can help humanity or can play role in development.

i agree that banning dishes, tv or tape recorders is a act which reflects extrimism but it very much their internal problem. it has nothing to do with us. may be after gaining some control over the proper use of these equipments the ban will be lifted like in saudi arab.

for ur info. saudi arab is country where islamic laws are being implemented 100% more than Pakistan. there ppl are not allowed to drink, pork n pig is not allowed too. whereas dishes, tv, tape recorders and videos are allowed and indian films are available too after minor sensorship.

lets give a chance to taliban, if they are trying to stop nudism or they want to follow their relegion, i dont think anyone should get upset from that.

khopdi
July 19th, 2001, 08:24 AM
is it the teachings of islam to force your beliefs on others ?? please explain. - for ex. if someone believes they would like to drink, does islam give you/somebody else the right to stop him from drinking ??
i assume u r living in a country other than saudi/afghanistan. is it not your duty to impose similar restrictions in the place u live ??
- also, if u read the above post that i pasted, please explain if islam justifies such cruelty to islamic women ??

IA
July 19th, 2001, 08:32 AM
if u ppl know very little about islam u should know that prok,pig, alcohol, music and related things are haram or makrooh in islam.

whatever relegion's follower u r, i believe no relegion of world appreciate to hurt the follower of othe relegion.

if ur relegion tells u not to respect other's relegious freedom then please go ahead.

and let me tell u something, using the same tone and language as a reply is not a big deal for me, i can do it very easily but.... then there will be no difference in IA THE PROUND INDIAN and khanbaba. i want to maintain the difference.


for that matter baba i am muslim too but it does't mean i should close my eyes with all the facts. It's true that there are lot of things banned in islam but you can't impose things on the follower let them do what they want to. Faith should come from the inside, should not be imposed
And yes there is a big difference b/w IA and baba that is liberal v/s Fanatic.

Rahul
July 19th, 2001, 08:34 AM
Originally posted by khanbaba


if u ppl know very little about islam u should know that prok,pig, alcohol, music and related things are haram or makrooh in islam.

whatever relegion's follower u r, i believe no relegion of world appreciate to hurt the follower of othe relegion.

if ur relegion tells u not to respect other's relegious freedom then please go ahead.

and let me tell u something, using the same tone and language as a reply is not a big deal for me, i can do it very easily but.... then there will be no difference in IA THE PROUND INDIAN and khanbaba. i want to maintain the difference.

Believe me Khabbaba, I started to like atleast one Paki after reading some of your post, but whats that man, though I am not interested in Afganistan or how they practice Islam in Afganistan, but Surprise for me is why you felt bad about it, thatís not your country or they donít represent Islam, then why you felt bad about it.

World community condemn those act, because minority over there gets suffer by those rule, like okay say a Christian women in Afganistan want to have nail polish, then why not ?

Or say she wanted to have a delicious dish of pork with her family then why not. Okay to make easy understand to you, when u bother that much about neighboring country internal affair (Kashmir), then why donít u give a little concern to those minority (converting and dying quickly) too. What I mean to express here is Let afganistan made tough law for Muslims over there (infect nobody bother about that), but why they want to implement them on non muslims.

Originally posted by khanbaba
whatever relegion's follower u r, i believe no relegion of world appreciate to hurt the follower of othe relegion.

Now comes to this, if this is what a Paki Muslim (remember I used Paki word) think, then why they do all those killings in Kashmir, then why Osma is behind most bombing in the world (and even supported by country of Mukka and Kaba), Mind u dost, thatís the views of all of the religions (Including Islam), but not of Paki and Afgani Muslims

khanbaba
July 19th, 2001, 08:35 AM
Originally posted by khopdi
is it the teachings of islam to force your beliefs on others ?? please explain. - for ex. if someone believes they would like to drink, does islam give you/somebody else the right to stop him from drinking ??
i assume u r living in a country other than saudi/afghanistan. is it not your duty to impose similar restrictions in the place u live ??
- also, if u read the above post that i pasted, please explain if islam justifies such cruelty to islamic women ??

khopdi..

1. restrictions are on muslims and it is the duty of muslim society to impose it on all muslims. in a muslim society if a non-muslim is doing some thing which is against islam, we dont bother unless it is against islam. like even in pakistan, non muslim get alcohol on licnese, we dont mind it at all. they can eat pig or whatever they want. BUT they are not allowed to run brothel, or drink in public or sell port for general public.

2. i live in a gulf country where laws are 99% like saudi and non-mulims are enjoying almost full liberty.

3. i think ur information is incomplete about islam. u need to study islam, the punishment in islam and its effects. what u r calling as cruelities, it leads us to a 100% peaceful society. in saudi, the penalty for thief is to cut his hand (a person who steal bread to eat is not treated as theif). because of punish ppl leave their shops open unattended for hours and they dont have to worry. and theft cases in saudi are very very rare.

the case u pasted up as a example of cruelity is actualy an example of pure and clean society. where women and men are allowed to maintain relations under certain relegios restrictions and one should get punish if he tries to break the law. btw, these punishments are not applicable on non muslim and as far killing is concerned for adultary, that is right but do u know the crietera that is required to proove adultry.. i m sure u dont know.

khanbaba
July 19th, 2001, 08:37 AM
Originally posted by Rahul


Believe me Khabbaba, I started to like atleast one Paki after reading some of your post, but whats that man, though I am not interested in Afganistan or how they practice Islam in Afganistan, but Surprise for me is why you felt bad about it, thatís not your country or they donít represent Islam, then why you felt bad about it.

World community condemn those act, because minority over there gets suffer by those rule, like okay say a Christian women in Afganistan want to have nail polish, then why not ?

Or say she wanted to have a delicious dish of pork with her family then why not. Okay to make easy understand to you, when u bother that much about neighboring country internal affair (Kashmir), then why donít u give a little concern to those minority (converting and dying quickly) too. What I mean to express here is Let afganistan made tough law for Muslims over there (infect nobody bother about that), but why they want to implement them on non muslims.



Now comes to this, if this is what a Paki Muslim (remember I used Paki word) think, then why they do all those killings in Kashmir, then why Osma is behind most bombing in the world (and even supported by country of Mukka and Kaba), Mind u dost, thatís the views of all of the religions (Including Islam), but not of Paki and Afgani Muslims

rahul, to answer u in brief i felt bad cause what they are doing is as per islamic laws and if some one tell me the islamic act is cruel or joke, i get hurt.

as far as international bycott is concerned, tell me why this bycott is not against saudi? they are doing almost same but man.. believe me this is a political issue. talibans are being punished cause they did not do what america was looking for after russia withdrawal.

IA
July 19th, 2001, 08:38 AM
Althoug it just won't matter to you but i have to say it.

You Suck Moron

khopdi
July 19th, 2001, 08:39 AM
Originally posted by khanbaba
the case u pasted up as a example of cruelity is actualy an example of pure and clean society.

i give up !! my regard for u from Khan baba goes down to g**nd baba !! no more discussions with u // 'm going back to nukkad !! good bye !! /*hic* *hic*burp*

Netra
July 19th, 2001, 08:40 AM
as far as international bycott is concerned, tell me why this bycott is not against saudi? they are doing almost same but man.. believe me this is a political issue. talibans are being punished cause they did not do what america was looking for after russia withdrawal.

Agree with you there Khan Baba. USA doesn't have anything to loose by boycotting Afghanistan, but by boycotting Saudi Arabia, they are risking their supply of petrol.

khanbaba
July 19th, 2001, 08:41 AM
Originally posted by IA
Althoug it just won't matter to you but i have to say it.

You Suck Moron

thanx indian :)

see the difference .... i m successful to maintin it !

i m wondering that is it a matter of proud for other indians that u r indian too ????????

GpeL
July 19th, 2001, 08:50 AM
khanji.. intellgent people do get disgusted.. and so we are proud of IA. You go and think again if what khopdi posted as attrocities are infact attrocities or "clean society". I wish morons like you are born a female in taliban regime next time. Good bye.

khopdi
July 19th, 2001, 08:50 AM
apun proud of u indian airlinesh !! keep it ^

khanbaba
July 19th, 2001, 08:55 AM
Originally posted by GpeL
khanji.. intellgent people do get disgusted.. and so we are proud of IA. You go and think again if what khopdi posted as attrocities are infact attrocities or "clean society". I wish morons like you are born a female in taliban regime next time. Good bye.

YES my dear.. intelligent ppl do get disgusted if it comes from some intelligent or respectable citizen and for some reason.

why i pass by street, some times there i find dogs, they start barking for no reason, its their habbit so i dont mind. i dont reply them by barking, infact i try to get rid of them.

if u r not happy with existance of pakistani, i offer my withdrawal.

tell me?

IA
July 19th, 2001, 09:01 AM
Yes u should.

Let me ask you one more thing baba tabacco chewing and smoking is also banned in islam but in pakistaan you can see Ads of Cigarate on national TV isn't it right.

Pehle apne gerehbaan main jhank kar dekho uske baad duniya se gandagi door karne ki baat karo.

khopdi
July 19th, 2001, 09:04 AM
Originally posted by khanbaba
that is right but do u know the crietera that is required to proove adultry.. i m sure u dont know.

g**nd baba,
i gathered what is adultery from the article i posted:


Sohaila had been arrested walking with a man who was not a relative, a sufficient crime for her to be found guilty of adultery

so, if u walk with someboy is that adultery ??

khanbaba
July 19th, 2001, 09:06 AM
Originally posted by khopdi


g**nd baba,
i gathered what is adultery from the article i posted:


Sohaila had been arrested walking with a man who was not a relative, a sufficient crime for her to be found guilty of adultery

so, if u walk with someboy is that adultery ??



NO, walking with some one is not adultary.

khopdi
July 19th, 2001, 09:07 AM
but u said that what taliban is doing is right...did u read the article // the lady i am referring to was flogged - is that what u call peaceful ??

khanbaba
July 19th, 2001, 09:08 AM
Originally posted by khopdi
but u said that what taliban is doing is right...did u read the article // the lady i am referring to was flogged - is that what u call peaceful ??

i read the artcile and believe that walking was not the only reason. but if u r right and walking with some one was the only reason then YES.. is this case taliban did a mistake.

videsee
July 19th, 2001, 09:12 AM
OK just for a second lets step back.

1. Afghanistan is an Islamic country. Personally, I dont agree with territorial boundaries based on something that is a personal choice. What next? A country set up by PETA? Where all are forced to be vegeitarian? Religion is a personal decision. Governments should not be allowed to enforce that decision. When they do, they use religion for their own means!

2. Pork & alcohol is haram in Islam. Islam also has a very well defined parameter set for women's rights. Why the tendency to accept some rules that suit the powers and reject those that don't suit them? I have lived in the Gulf. And I have seen blatant hypocrisy. Alcohol is available in these countries freely. And the ones who imbibe them are Muslims!! I also know for a fact that alcohol is available in Pakistan too. You just need to know the 'right' people!

Khanbaba. I must say I appreciate your coming on this 100% Indian board. Having said that, I must also request that you have an open mind when we are discussing sensitive issues. Islam, Pakistan & Kashmir are probably the MOST sensitive issues for ANY Indian. Yes, even for me an Indian Muslim. We, and I speak for the board, do want to know your views. And we will give you ours. But trying to change our thoughts on these subjects is frankly, futile. We have our views and you have yours. Lets agree to respect each other's views.



:D :smash: ;)

khanbaba
July 19th, 2001, 09:15 AM
Originally posted by videsee
OK just for a second lets step back.

1. Afghanistan is an Islamic country. Personally, I dont agree with territorial boundaries based on something that is a personal choice. What next? A country set up by PETA? Where all are forced to be vegeitarian? Religion is a personal decision. Governments should not be allowed to enforce that decision. When they do, they use religion for their own means!

2. Pork & alcohol is haram in Islam. Islam also has a very well defined parameter set for women's rights. Why the tendency to accept some rules that suit the powers and reject those that don't suit them? I have lived in the Gulf. And I have seen blatant hypocrisy. Alcohol is available in these countries freely. And the ones who imbibe them are Muslims!! I also know for a fact that alcohol is available in Pakistan too. You just need to know the 'right' people!

Khanbaba. I must say I appreciate your coming on this 100% Indian board. Having said that, I must also request that you have an open mind when we are discussing sensitive issues. Islam, Pakistan & Kashmir are probably the MOST sensitive issues for ANY Indian. Yes, even for me an Indian Muslim. We, and I speak for the board, do want to know your views. And we will give you ours. But trying to change our thoughts on these subjects is frankly, futile. We have our views and you have yours. Lets agree to respect each other's views.



:D :smash: ;)

there shouldnt be second opinion on respecting each other.

i can do one thing.. i will not contribute in any discussion which leads us toward relegious debate.

by writing these lines i sign-off from this thread cuase i believe its a pure relegious matter.

regards.

videsee
July 19th, 2001, 09:18 AM
In which case we cannot talk with you about Pakistan or Taliban??

It is your decision Khanbaba, not to participate in these conversations. And I respect your decision.

khanbaba
July 19th, 2001, 09:22 AM
Originally posted by videsee
In which case we cannot talk with you about Pakistan or Taliban??

It is your decision Khanbaba, not to participate in these conversations. And I respect your decision.

i am open on talks on pakistan and taleban except if it points towards islam. videsee, u r muslim urself, tell me if in a muslim state pork is declared banned,whats wrong ?

anyways yaar. choro, dont tell me. u know it and i know it.

videsee
July 19th, 2001, 09:27 AM
Par Khanbaba, mere dost. Zara socho. Whether it is Pakistan, Afghanistan or Saudi Arabia. All our RULED by religion. As a base.

How can one talk about the country and its policies WITHOUT taking into account the religion factor?

Rahee baath pork ki. I agree that it should be banned from Islamic countries. But please answer me: Why is alcohol not banned in these countries. WHY is it a selective ban? Those that have the power can get it!!!!

risingsun
July 19th, 2001, 09:28 AM
khan why dont you visit www.rawa.org

you say we should not discuss islam when we discuss taliban, tell me why did taliban destroy buddha murtis? because murtipuja is not allowed in islam, why are women told to wear burkas? because it is written in islam, paki footballers in afghanistan for friendly football match were arrested, why? they say in islam it is not allowed for them to wear half pants!!! now tell me under these and such circumstances how can you discuss taliban without islam creeping into discussion?

khanbaba
July 19th, 2001, 09:29 AM
Originally posted by videsee
Par Khanbaba, mere dost. Zara socho. Whether it is Pakistan, Afghanistan or Saudi Arabia. All our RULED by religion. As a base.

How can one talk about the country and its policies WITHOUT taking into account the religion factor?

Rahee baath pork ki. I agree that it should be banned from Islamic countries. But please answer me: Why is alcohol not banned in these countries. WHY is it a selective ban? Those that have the power can get it!!!!

u said u have been in a gulf country, may i ask which country it was ?

khanbaba
July 19th, 2001, 09:31 AM
Originally posted by risingsun
khan why dont you visit www.rawa.org

you say we should not discuss islam when we discuss taliban, tell me why did taliban destroy buddha murtis? because murtipuja is not allowed in islam, why are women told to wear burkas? because it is written in islam, paki footballers in afghanistan for friendly football match were arrested, why? they say in islam it is not allowed for them to wear half pants!!! now tell me under these and such circumstances how can you discuss taliban without islam creeping into discussion?

risingsun.... pls pardon me, i really dont want to discuss this issue. to explain their acts, i will have to tell u in detail about islam and islamic history and u may not be interested in it.

and further, while discussing this, i may hurt my hindu brothers which i dont want.

pls excuse me.

risingsun
July 19th, 2001, 09:34 AM
damn right, i am not interested.....i am not interested in listening to justification of barbarians, i am not interested in discussing them....just have a look at the public execution shot, see how women feel there....recently a prg was aired about taliban, even the brit reporter who happened to be a female had to wear an anchal over her head....yah i am not interested in justification of their acts....

videsee
July 19th, 2001, 09:51 AM
Originally posted by khanbaba


u said u have been in a gulf country, may i ask which country it was ?

How is that relevant may I ask?

khanbaba
July 19th, 2001, 10:02 AM
Originally posted by videsee


How is that relevant may I ask?

cause i live in a gulf country too....and due to my business i have been to almost all gulf states. i agree that money works every where, and the one who is looking for alcohol will get it if he is ready to spend. but usually almost all gulf countries are alcohol free except bahrain n dubai. and in these two states, alcohol is available to every one regardless of relegion and nationality.

videsee
July 19th, 2001, 10:04 AM
Also available in :

Kuwait
Saudi Arabia
Qatar
Oman

Its a HUGE business in all these countries.

khanbaba
July 19th, 2001, 10:07 AM
Originally posted by videsee
Also available in :

Kuwait
Saudi Arabia
Qatar
Oman

Its a HUGE business in all these countries.

there is a difference in availability and open availbility. as i said, if one wants to get it, he can have it otherwise the countries u have mentioned its not sold in open market.

the reason of this availability is the existance of non-muslim foreigners in these countries specially when u talk about kuwait and sudia, the alcohol comes with us troops actually.

MadrasiBabu
July 19th, 2001, 11:59 PM
Khanbaba,
The reason for my posting this article was not to belittle Islam. In fact I have great respect for Islam having grown up in a Muslim household during my school days. I emphasise this with all sincerity.
However you have just taken one aspect of my posting i.e. banning of pork products and given it a religious colour. Look at it in its entirity. I still want to make it clear that regimes like Taliban do not have any place in these times. They have twisted islam to suit their own purposes. What business do they have to destroy the Buddha statues and hurt religious sentiments of others. How can they discriminate against Hindus and ask for identification tags to be worn. Remember this was exactly what the Nazis did to the Jews.
As far as Saudi is concerned, my dear friend, everything is done there and available including booze. It is the most hyprocritical society. Their citizens make a beeline every thursday for BAhrain where they drink and womonise(also sodomise)!! over the weekend and pretend to be truly adhering to their code of conduct once back home!! Rumour has it that the former King of RSA died due to Cyrosis of Liver. I do not have to say why one gets this.
It is scum like Taliban who are giving a bad name to your religion which i still maintain is a great religion but twisted by Mullahs and other vested interests to suit their own nefarious purposes.

Indian
July 20th, 2001, 12:32 AM
Originally posted by khanbaba


there is a difference in availability and open availbility. as i said, if one wants to get it, he can have it otherwise the countries u have mentioned its not sold in open market.

the reason of this availability is the existance of non-muslim foreigners in these countries specially when u talk about kuwait and sudia, the alcohol comes with us troops actually.

dear FACT LOVER

Are you trying to say that ..these countries are Un-Islamic ? :D
FYI ..your derest President saheb ..pervez musharraf smokes(His wife told us indians:) ) ..Man isnt that against Islam ? Is he a valid muslim ?

FYI ... i with ..local muslim friends of KUWAIT , PAKISTAN and SAUDI ARABIA ..have consumed alchohol in a beautifull mehfil some time back in SAUDI.

The people who are selling alchohol in this islamic countries are Muslims..the people who are consuming alchohol in these countries are muslims.
so ..what is your point ?

the country where i live is another muslim nation..do you know Malaysia ?.
Here ..you will find hell lot of Pubs,Discos ..and all such stuff.

and I am very happy to be here in this country :)
not beacuse ..they sell wine and cigar ..because they dont have hypocritical laws and leaders like pakistan and saudi.

When i quoted about the same country in a forum with some of 'intellectuals' from pakistan , they started abuing this country . They said the country is 'Un-Islamic' .

EXCUSE ME ..
Do you think your fellow muslim in malaysia(who is bounded by common principles of Islam ..as u said) will appreciate that ?
Will he like pakistanis ..if you people brand them Un-Islamic ?

One thing ..i clearly observed in all muslim countries ....IT HAS BECOME A FANCY FOR MANY MUSLIMS TO CALL FELLOW MUSLIMS UN-ISLAMIC . And you people dream about Khilafa ? :D

Netra
July 20th, 2001, 01:02 AM
Originally posted by videsee
OK just for a second lets step back.

A country set up by PETA? Where all are forced to be vegeitarian?

:D :smash: ;)

Great idea Videsee bhaya. Needs to be passed on to Poorva Joshipur. I will be one of the first to ask for the nationality. Rest of my family can remain in Switzerland.;)

Satyam
July 23rd, 2001, 12:42 AM
Originally posted by khanbaba
"whatever relegion's follower u r, i believe no relegion of world appreciate to hurt the follower of othe relegion. "

There is a tradition in Islam which is although not written in Koran but is more of oral tradition. Please ask any devout Muslim and he should be able to elaborate further on this with all his religious fervor. It goes something like this :

"If you see anything Un-Islamic (More on this later) first of all you use FORCE to stop it, if however you are not in a position to stop it by FORCE(because the majority of people around you (like in India) are civilized and dont accede to your junglee-tactics in the name of GOD) you verbally condemn it or make noises. If however you cannot even do that because you are in more civilised and strongly democratic country (like USA) you just CONDEMN it mentally."

So Talibans are first kind of Muslims who have the power to stop Un-Islamic acts.