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echarcha
January 16th, 2002, 01:54 PM
There were some 450 of them. Rural people, men and women, from Sukhpar near Bhuj, gathered for another village meeting.

"Musharraf murdabad," they shouted.

"Pakistan murdabad!"

"Havey to yudh aej kalyan! [Now war is the only solution!]"

Bhuj belongs to Gujarat's largest district, Kutch, which shares a 310-km border with Pakistan. In light of the heightened hostilities between New Delhi and Islamabad, the villagers here have been preparing for war -- and the gathering was for that.

"We are fed up of these killings," said Ramji Velani. "Why should our people die everyday? We are bleeding and they are laughing! We want a lasting solution. We will burn Musharraf's effigy to express our anger."

Which they did. But before it was burnt, a few well-built women expressed their personal feelings for the Pakistani president -- with some resounding punches.

Sukhpar, like most of Kutch, is populated by fiercely patriotic farmers. They are all excited about the heightened activities at the nearby Indian Air Force station. Air force officials had, in fact, convened a meeting recently to prepare them for the eventuality of war.

"We now regularly hear planes flying in the night. Twice we experienced blackouts too," said Satish Thakkara of Nalianear.

Though Kutch has around 400 km of coastline, there is no naval base here. It was only on December 8, 2001, when the shadow of war loomed large, that senior Coast Guard officials visited the area and drew up a plan to defend it.

The topography of the Indo-Pak border in Kutch makes an attack here very difficult. By that same token, it is tough to defend it too.

The border is a desert. During high tide, the waters from Sir Creek invade it, and do not recede fully during the low tide. In summer the residues evaporate, in the process leaving a bed of salt for the Border Security Force, India's guardians here, to man.

"Kutchis salute these brave hearts who keep vigil in this salty desert," said Kirti Khatri, editor of a local publication, Kutch Mitra. "It's a torture on human body and mind. Just last month when 32 kg of RDX was seized on this border, we came to know how Lashkar-e-Tayiba militants bring in explosives through the desert."

The Kutch border presents problem for logistics too. "Unlike the Punjab and Rajasthan border, Kutch is not populated," an army officer explained. "So when our jawans go into the desert, to the border, we have to make sure they have everything with them."

"Nothing, nothing is available once you reach the borderline. There are no villagers there to help you," he added.

Kunvar Bet is beyond Khawda village. Unlike Bhuj, where you don't feel the 'war-like' situation so much, Kunvar Bet is witnessing the 'largest-ever pre-war preparations in the last 30 years'.

In the whole area, peacetime slackness has been replaced by wartime vigil. Army numbers have changed, cyber café owners asked to keep their eyes open for suspicious surfers, local reporters requested to be careful about what they write...

When the army moved heavy machines into the desert, word leaked out in Bhuj. "The villages are smart and very curious," said a police officer. "They wanted to know if bunkers and trenches were being made!"

They are eager to help too. For instance, on December 2, a resident of Bhuj called up the army base. He said he had 200 bottles of blood, which he wanted to donate!

People across the border, meantime, have started to migrate, an intelligence official said.

"We are safer than them because our side is not populated," he said. "They have well-settled villages like Mara, Shah Bunder, Keti Bunder, Musafir Khana and Bhadami. Our villages like Khadir, Koteshwar, Lakhpat Zara, Hudko and Lyndro are not as close."

The officer said about 20 per cent of the villagers, mostly landed farmers, have moved out, taking with them their livestock, from the area manned by Pakistan's 206, Infantry Brigade.

"We have suffered more than one would suffer in a normal war," said a young army officer, with many injuries during counterinsurgency operations. "Our jawans are ready to thrash the enemy nice and proper. We are ready for war."

This readiness is evident in the Kutchis too. But also in them is a healthy dose of pragmatism. Bharat Parmar of Sukhpar put it into words, thus:

"We remember how our jawans won Nagarparkar, a border tehsil of Pakistan, in the 1971 war. The Indian flag flew there for a year. But all that gains were lost over a meeting table in Simla [when the Simla Agreement restored to Pakistan its land].

"We don't want politicians to lose the gains of our war on the diplomatic table. And we don't want the United States or the United Nations to tell us what to do once the war starts."

http://www.rediff.com/news/2002/jan/16spec.htm

Freedom_Peace
January 16th, 2002, 02:05 PM
How do we gain from a War.......

What kind of War we need.........
Just conventional or NuKE....
Do we want to occupy just POK, partial Pakistan, whole Pakistan ...Ok then what ! Built settlements there with help from Israel ?

What really does War mean here...
Just go after terrorists who support guerilla war on Inida ...... or go after Pakistani millatry targets....or civilians or power stations and bridges.. dams etc....
What really does the War mean.

GpeL
January 16th, 2002, 02:11 PM
F_P :D :D :D at your outburst.

War is war.. and if this time war happens.. it probably would put a question mark on the very existance of pakistan. There might be a lake pakistan if they use their nukes first on India. We will lose some.. and they will lose all.


Rest assured, if the war breaks out our generals a completely capable of fighting all kinds of war be it limited war, all out conventional war or any other sort of war.. But yes its time for one and I tend to agree with those villagers.

nydood
January 16th, 2002, 02:12 PM
Originally posted by Freedom_Peace
How do we gain from a War....... we kick their ass and dont have terrorists in India anymore

What kind of War we need......... Conventional
Just conventional or NuKE....
Do we want to occupy just POK, partial Pakistan, whole Pakistan ...Ok then what ! Built settlements there with help from Israel ? Whole Pakistan... and then we destroy it

What really does War mean here... It means we kicking some puki ass
Just go after terrorists who support guerilla war on Inida ...... or go after Pakistani millatry targets....or civilians or power stations and bridges.. dams etc.... All of em if u want :)
What really does the War mean. The war means extinction of the pukis

baapji
January 16th, 2002, 03:31 PM
F_P kuchh aur samajhna ho to kal 1:00 PM se 9:00 PM ki class main baapji se poochh lena

:mad:

nydood
January 16th, 2002, 03:32 PM
Aur phir bhi nahi samjha to jhuk lena :D

vyomkeshsaxena
January 17th, 2002, 04:43 AM
Originally posted by Freedom_Peace
How do we gain from a War.......

What kind of War we need.........
Just conventional or NuKE....
Do we want to occupy just POK, partial Pakistan, whole Pakistan ...Ok then what ! Built settlements there with help from Israel ?

What really does War mean here...
Just go after terrorists who support guerilla war on Inida ...... or go after Pakistani millatry targets....or civilians or power stations and bridges.. dams etc....
What really does the War mean.

well i'em also very very confused...not bcos of freedon_peace's points...they dont make any sense, atleast to me!!!
my point is that our war is againt terrorism n not with pukis (in todays date)...if we ever decide to strike terrorist camps in POK..we have to strike them first..not the pukis..now this means we give pukis forces chance to scramble..this means our chance of first-strike is lost..as we can attack pak. only when pakis attack us..otherwise we dont have any reasons for attacking them

ANY TAKERS OF ABOVE POINT???:confused:

Freedom_Peace
January 17th, 2002, 05:38 AM
Originally posted by nydood
What really does the War mean. The war means extinction of the pukis



Finally you have spill the venom that War is not against Terrorism its against existance of Pakistan itself...... Old wounds needed some excuse... I got it.

And I would like our defence minster or Prime Minster or some govt official to say the same thing, not like our war is against the people who are creating unrest in Kashmir and creating panic and guerilla war..... bla bla

Rahul
January 17th, 2002, 06:12 AM
Originally posted by Freedom_Peace



Finally you have spill the venom that War is not against Terrorism its against existance of Pakistan itself...... Old wounds needed some excuse... I got it.


I always got confused when a general Pakistani speak, when OBL speak and Paki in India (few those muslim who belong to pak) speak, reason their language always seems like same.

I dont know why Freedom_piss always pissed off ;) whenever things comes to war with Napakistan or any subject where someone disagree with Osama kind of Islam :mad:

Originally posted by Freedom_Peace
And I would like our defence minster or Prime Minster or some govt official to say the same thing, not like our war is against the people who are creating unrest in Kashmir and creating panic and guerilla war..... bla bla

Now when you complaining about its should be war against those who create unrest in kashmir, we all know they are paki, for easy understanding of you, its kinda same reason Osama attack WTC, becoz he think american tax payee result to Non muslim army in Muslim Holy places (though I think its Saudi whose responsible), without pakistani people support Govt of pakistan cant support the kashmir cause, hence they are equally partner, and they should pay the price.

Even Indians has to pay a big prize (as I was reading long back in a article in Hindustantime), that if war start and suppose india lost a say 20,000 kills in Punjab, then a big roits kinds of situation will create in India, means Hindu try to kill muslims (bcoz they think they are the responsible for war) and muslims try to kill Hindu.

We all know both the nation has to pay a big prize for the war, if its start, it may be quite affordable for india, but for Pakistan it would be disaster.

Freedom_Peace
January 17th, 2002, 06:25 AM
Originally posted by Rahul


I dont know why Freedom_piss always pissed off ;) whenever things comes to war with Napakistan or any subject where someone disagree with Osama kind of Islam :mad:


I would Never ever support Osama kind of Islam..... Over and over i have said he is stupid ass.........misguided punk Islam comdemns killing innocents of any faith....period.

Every one knows why pakistan is supporting the waht they call freedon struggle in kashmir.
If you have listened to Collin Powell yesterday he that Kahmir is disputed teritory and voice of Kashmiri people cannot be ignored. That doesn't mean Pakistan should created more terrorists to blow up buildings and kill innocents people.

Look back in history we supported east pakistan. US supported Afgahistan against USSR, We supported Srilanka against LTTE, US supporting Taiwan against China, US supportted Easttimor against Indonesia........ its all politcis and self interest and revenge....

DesiBaba
January 17th, 2002, 06:33 AM
Originally posted by Freedom_Peace


[b]
If you have listened to Collin Powell yesterday he that Kahmir is disputed teritory

he's an idiot.
usko uske khud ke country ka history bhi maalum hain,jo doosre ki history ki maabhen kar rayela hai.

and since u heard powell,i take the liberty of assuming that u must've heard mussharafs speech too..then didnt u hear him sayin that kashmir is in their blood and they will continue giving diplomatic and political support to it?? (earlier it was also militant support but since US's dick is rite now deep in Paks ass this point has been eliminated)
and still u ask us as to why we want war with pak and why we want extinction of pak??:rolleyes:

pehle bhi bola tha,phir se bol raha hoon, Femdom_Piss on Kazaa.com not here :smash:

bakchatter
January 17th, 2002, 06:45 AM
Beta Fartin Pussy ...

A) If you are an Indian and dont know what a war with Pukistan now will achieve for your motherland then you are a duffer
(do you accept India as your motherland by the way?? I do.)

B)If you are an Indian and dont consider India as your motherland then why dont you leave and get out to wherever you consider your motherland and become a mohajir.

C) If you are an Indian and you are afraid that your arse will get nuked in the war then better go to Gulf and become a shepherd for the camels there.

D) If you are a Puki then also option 'C' applies to you.

But if you are a patriotic Indian who considers the country as your motherland because whatever you are and whatever you possess today has been given to you by this country then you should not at all feel scared and should have one thing clear in your mind that WE NEED A ONE AND FINAL WAR TO FINISH OF NAPAKISTAN. I dont care whether you or anyone else has relatices or whoever there. If you and they are so concerned then they and you better know how to reign in Pukistan from subversive activities in India, which doesnt only mean terrorist activities but also things like fake currency etc.
Now bete would you tell me which category are you in and which option have you chosen.

Had you been standing in front of me and saying that crap that you vomitted I would have hit you so ****in hard that for the next 7 generations in your family everyone would be clear why India needs to sort out matters once and forr all with Pukistan. :mad: :mad: :mad:

bakchatter
January 17th, 2002, 06:52 AM
Originally posted by Freedom_Peace

Look back in history we supported east pakistan. US supported Afgahistan against USSR, We supported Srilanka against LTTE, US supporting Taiwan against China, US supportted Easttimor against Indonesia........ its all politcis and self interest and revenge....

Look baby boy if Pukistan is indulging in subversive activities against India does that mean we should say that haan ji aapko gham hai ki aapke haath se Bangladesh nikal gaya to aapko poora haq banta hai ki aap aaiye aur hamaree gaand maariye aur humse Kashmir le lijiye? bol betelal should we do that?

Abe yaaron ye FP pagal ho gaya hai kya? This guy is ****in justifying pukis causing unrest in India yaar. Yaar ye hai kya cheez?