Landmines - Should India be Planting Landmines on the border

[Freedom_Peace]

As the civilized world comdemns Landmines India is in process of mining the its borders in Punjab. Should we mining our own borders at this time when hundres of volunters in Afganistan are killed every de-mining.

At least 11 people have been killed by a landmine explosion in the Indian state of Punjab, close to the border with Pakistan.
Unconfirmed reports put the number of dead at nearly 30 people.

Most of those killed are said to have been Indian soldiers.

They were loading landmines on to a truck when one of them exploded.

The accident happened near the city of Amritsar on Saturday.

India and Pakistan have been moving military equipment to the border since last month's attack on the Indian parliament.


The Indian army has not said anything so far about the incident.

There have been a series of landmine accidents recently

Soldiers have cordoned off the area and no-one - not even state government officials - is being allowed access.

This is the latest in a series of such incidents involving landmines.

A number of incidents have taken place in the western state of Rajasthan since the Indian army's recent build-up along the border with Pakistan.

Last week, at least 19 soldiers were killed in the border district of Jaisalmer in a landmine explosion.

[chirag2000]

Landmines should be banned.
Atleast india should not set up landmines
innocents lose lives [and legs ..which is more difficult for them]
i think india should come up with banning landmines

http://www.icbl.org/news/2001/143.php

[pathik]

Please get your facts correct before commenting.

Landmines are a hazard in Afghanistan or Cambodia or Angola not simply because they were dangerous, but because they were planted in an unplanned random manner all over the country . Later mine-sweeping teams could not clear the mines because they did not know where the mines were.

But mining a border according to a plan is perfectly acceptable, as it has a definite record which can guide subsequent de-mining. Do you expect the army to shower rose petals to welcome an enemy force at the border?

[chirag2000]

our army is quite shashaksta to handle infiltraitors without the use of landmines.
pathik how do u explain the loss of life of our 15 jawaans....

[Freedom_Peace]

Originally posted by pathik
Please get your facts correct before commenting.

Landmines are a hazard in Afghanistan or Cambodia or Angola not simply because they were dangerous, but because they were planted in an unplanned random manner all over the country . Later mine-sweeping teams could not clear the mines because they did not know where the mines were.

But mining a border according to a plan is perfectly acceptable, as it has a definite record which can guide subsequent de-mining. Do you expect the army to shower rose petals to welcome an enemy force at the border?

Whole world has taken a stance that landmining is not good period.

Should'nt we dare to critisize any thing wrong irrespective of who the guilty party is ........ it so happens when I see that any time we are at wrong no one dares to come out and comment on it and if this is the case how will we correct ourselves.

Its like that old saying - Cat closes eyes when drinking milk and thing that no one is seeing.

Dont defend just bcoz we are doing it. If it was some else doing the same thing - response would have being ..................... we all know.

[pathik]

Originally posted by chirag2000
our army is quite shashaksta to handle infiltraitors without the use of landmines.
pathik how do u explain the loss of life of our 15 jawaans....


Do you think they died because they stepped on their own mines? In that case, it is simply lousy planning.

And if the mines explode while laying, 2 reasons are possible: plain accident, or some 3rd grade mine bought by some corrupt minister in exchange of bribes. The last reason is very much possible.

[Freedom_Peace]

Originally posted by chirag2000
our army is quite shashaksta to handle infiltraitors without the use of landmines.
pathik how do u explain the loss of life of our 15 jawaans....

U know what Pathik(and people who are planting) are afraid that Pakistani army is going to cross over from the borders by foot. What insanity is this u Indian border security force will be playing cards untill the enemy come across the border and expect the land mine to kill them.

Desh ka kya hoga jaab aap jaise loog desh bachae ke liya hai...

[pathik]

Originally posted by Freedom_Peace


Whole world has taken a stance that landmining is not good period.

The world is also against nukes. So can we just trash our nukes and let China push us around?


Originally posted by Freedom_Peace

Its like that old saying - Cat closes eyes when drinking milk and thing that no one is seeing.

Dont defend just bcoz we are doing it. If it was some else doing the same thing - response would have being ..................... we all know.

Sorry, I don't understand what you mean. And I won't be surprised or angry if Pakistan mines its side of the border, which it probably is doing.

[pathik]

Originally posted by Freedom_Peace


U know what Pathik(and people who are planting) are afraid that Pakistani army is going to cross over from the borders by foot. What insanity is this u Indian border security force will be playing cards untill the enemy come across the border and expect the land mine to kill them.

Desh ka kya hoga jaab aap jaise loog desh bachae ke liya hai...

So how will they cross the border, by air? In any case, invasion is carried out over land: by infantry, tanks or trucks. All are vulnerable to mines.
The BSF does not have to play cards. An invading army is always slowed down in a minefield allowing the defenders to shoot and scatter them. This is the simple reason for mining.

[Freedom_Peace]

Originally posted by pathik


The world is also against nukes. So can we just trash our nukes and let China push us around?



Nukes are Deterrents not weapons of WAR.

[risingsun]

Originally posted by Freedom_Peace


Nukes are Deterrents not weapons of WAR.

does it change that :
The world is also against nukes.

so :
can we just trash our nukes and let China ( or for that matter even pakistan? ) push us around?

[Freedom_Peace]

Originally posted by risingsun


does it change that :
The world is also against nukes.

so :
can we just trash our nukes and let China ( or for that matter even pakistan? ) push us around?

WE never accept our mistakes ...... people will always find a reason to defend actions but that doesnot not make it right.
Never argue just for a sake of arguement we can go on for ever but there should be some rational to it also.

[risingsun]

Originally posted by Freedom_Peace


WE never accept our mistakes ...... people will always find a reason to defend actions but that doesnot not make it right.
Never argue just for a sake of arguement we can go on for ever but there should be some rational to it also.

all this is therotical and bullshit. I accept mistakes when i make them.

its like this my friend, if someone is coming towards me with a khatarnak knife in his hands with the intention of killing me, i will do everything in my power to stop him, stop him dead if possible, whether right or wrong.
YOU on the other hand try your luck by trying to make him understand how it is bad to stab someone. may be he will listen to you, may be he wont... in that case wish u luck...

[kameena]

F_P, get your facts right before you blabber anything. Landmines kill. Everyone knows about them. But which landmines and in what kind of wars. Most of the landmines you are talking about are planted by opposing groups in a CIVIL WAR or by insurgents. Be it Afghanistan, Cambodia, Vietnam, or Rwanda.

Professional army men, when planting landmines map them, so that at the cessation of hostilities, DGMO of both armies exchange maps about mine fields, it helps in demining.

Landmines have their uses in bogging down an enemy advance, helping you regroup and counter-attack.

And finally Pathik, as far as my knowledge goes, Indians stopped buying landmines long back. At least we can claim to be self sufficient there :D. But the quality of products churned out by Ordnance factories in India are always suspect. Every year we hear one ammo dump exploding causing number of casualties.

[Big-G]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Freedom_Peace


Whole world has taken a stance that landmining is not good period.


Yaar Fountain Pepsi...let me start from the basics. Like some cool bloke once said, "Everything is fair in love and war". The whole world might say anything, but they all end up following the above dictum.
Yeah, the whole world has taken a stance that landmining is not good. The same world had also taken a stance that inciting terrorism, arming the terrorists and killing innocents is even worse. Who paid heed?
Did our peace loving neighbours respect this stance taken by the "whole world"?

You were either born yesterday or you have just woken up from a long coma. Here's a reality check for you. It's a tough world out there. You pay back what you get. In fact, you pay back more than what you get.

Dont defend just bcoz we are doing it. If it was some else doing the same thing - response would have being ..................... we all know.
OK...maybe some of use are defending this only cos WE ARE DOING IT. But have ya noticed something about your posts? You are attacking only those that we are doing. Haven't a heard a single word of contempt from you for the other party who has done a lot worse.

Nukes are Deterrents not weapons of WAR.
Yeah, nukes are deterrents till they are used.
So, are the landmines. Landmines too are deterrents till you step on them.

[viking]

Should India be planting landmines on the border?

Hell no we should be launching missiles in Pakistans direction by now. What a frekin waste of time!!!!....Bah!!

Originally posted by Freedom_Peace
As the civilized world comdemns Landmines India is in process of mining the its borders in Punjab. Should we mining our own borders at this time when hundres of volunters in Afganistan are killed every de-mining.

At least 11 people have been killed by a landmine explosion in the Indian state of Punjab, close to the border with Pakistan.
Unconfirmed reports put the number of dead at nearly 30 people.

Most of those killed are said to have been Indian soldiers.

They were loading landmines on to a truck when one of them exploded.

The accident happened near the city of Amritsar on Saturday.

India and Pakistan have been moving military equipment to the border since last month's attack on the Indian parliament.


The Indian army has not said anything so far about the incident.

There have been a series of landmine accidents recently

Soldiers have cordoned off the area and no-one - not even state government officials - is being allowed access.

This is the latest in a series of such incidents involving landmines.

A number of incidents have taken place in the western state of Rajasthan since the Indian army's recent build-up along the border with Pakistan.

Last week, at least 19 soldiers were killed in the border district of Jaisalmer in a landmine explosion.

I think landmines should be put in those enemy routes which cannot be patrolled by our army. And once you put them, tell your soldiers not to tread on them, even by accident.

If landmines were bad/dangerous to self, they won't be making any. Some accidents will happen, no matter how careful one is.

[aryaputra]

But I think the question is about Control.

How should one make sure that the landmines once placed would not prove to be a danger once the war is over? Because once the tension is over, some people simply forget that some other people had placed some landmines somehere, but where?


There should be some radio control trigger so that the landmines can be deactivated by a flick of a switch once the war is over.

or maybe a timer set into those landmines that defuses them after say 6 months or so.


in short, there HAS to be some way of controlling them.

[Freedom_Peace]

Originally posted by viking
Should India be planting landmines on the border?

Hell no we should be launching missiles in Pakistans direction by now. What a frekin waste of time!!!!....Bah!!

I Like your idea better than defending the landmine crap......
Fire...... if we have power or else let us shut the hell up and worry about next elections.

[Freedom_Peace]

Originally posted by Big-G
But have ya noticed something about your posts? You are attacking only those that we are doing. Haven't a heard a single word of contempt from you for the other party who has done a lot worse.

[/B]

Every one here does it so well and u dont need me for that do ya ?
Even if I start saying what ever we do it good and correct there will be no fun ... that ass licking with out applying any rational to it. Its like eNRI praising all the shit Americans do.

[GpeL]

India should plant land mines at the border and leave it there for ever. Let an unauthorized puki cross over with his ass blown apart. Indians crossing over to puki (read wannabe terrorists) will also get their vitals blown up.. yaa there will be a few innocent victims.. but that is unavoidable.

[King]

India should create a dense mine field all along the border and LOC. No civilians have any business going near the international border unless, as GPEL said, they are terrorists trying to get to either side.

[GpeL]

Yaa and while we are at it.. lets fence the bangla deshi border also with land mines.

[risingsun]

Originally posted by Freedom_Peace


Every here does it so well and u dont need me for that do ya ?
Even if I start saying what ever we do it good and correct there will be no fun ... that ass licking with out applying any rational to it. Its like eNRI praising all the shit Americans do.


heeheeheeheehawhawhawhaw

usne kya kaha aur aap kya keh rahe hai.....

[echarcha]

Originally posted by King
India should create a dense mine field all along the border and LOC. No civilians have any business going near the international border unless, as GPEL said, they are terrorists trying to get to either side.

Where we planted the mines so that in event of war with Pakistan our soldiers wont get blown up.

[aryaputra]

Originally posted by aryaputra
But I think the question is about Control.

How should one make sure that the landmines once placed would not prove to be a danger once the war is over? Because once the tension is over, some people simply forget that some other people had placed some landmines somehere, but where?


There should be some radio control trigger so that the landmines can be deactivated by a flick of a switch once the war is over.

or maybe a timer set into those landmines that defuses them after say 6 months or so.


in short, there HAS to be some way of controlling them.

amazing......no response to this solution???

[viking]

India should plant landmines along all roads in their cities once we win the war!:D

[kameena]

Arya I think you are confused between a civil war and a regular war. Let me explain the difference

In civil war the fighting is done by irregulars with little or no training who are bunch of indisciplined lot. The mines planted by these folks are highly haphazard and are a risk to life and limb long after the war is over. Unfortunately there are no smart mines, and landmines are known to have caused casualties years and sometimes decades after they have been planted.

In regular war (case being Arab-Israeli and Indo-Pak war of past) the mines are laid by trained professionals and are properly mapped. After the fighting is over, officers from both armies exchange information about these mines, so demining is easy. It happened in past Indo-Pak wars too. One or two mines maybe left over, but then accidents happen everywhere.

[aryaputra]

But then the ordinance should produce mines with a limited active life of say 6 months. So even if somebody forgot the "map" of the mines, it would not be a problem to anybody.

[kameena]

Who will pay for that? Producing a landmine is dirt cheap costs the equivalent of $3 to $10. Adding intelligence will increase the price ten fold.

[GpeL]

Yes we should add artificial intelligence in those mines using the neural network technology. Or may be we will just have a timer. connected to a cutting plier which will go snap and cut the "correct" wire like the hero does in a movie to disarm a nuke about to go off in a few seconds.. or may be will will have them all explode automatically after a certain period of time (again a alarm clock contraption would do) so we can make it a tourist spot where people see a firework display! The proceeds of such a show will go for Landmine research, improvement and implementation..

kyon meena pai.. kaunsa idea acha laga?

[aryaputra]

Originally posted by kameena
Who will pay for that? Producing a landmine is dirt cheap costs the equivalent of $3 to $10. Adding intelligence will increase the price ten fold.

yeah! losing a leg during times of peace cost "Zero" Dollars? right?

[GpeL]

Nope arya pai.. it costs another 3 dollars to replace that exploded mine.. how did you calculate 0$?

[aryaputra]

ooops...galti hoi gawa kalkulasion mein :D

yes! it cost $3.00!

Thanks

[kameena]

Originally posted by GpeL
Yes we should add artificial intelligence in those mines using the neural network technology. Or may be we will just have a timer. connected to a cutting plier which will go snap and cut the "correct" wire like the hero does in a movie to disarm a nuke about to go off in a few seconds.. or may be will will have them all explode automatically after a certain period of time (again a alarm clock contraption would do) so we can make it a tourist spot where people see a firework display! The proceeds of such a show will go for Landmine research, improvement and implementation..

kyon meena pai.. kaunsa idea acha laga?

Idea to saare mast hai yaar. Voh international society for banning landmines hai na (voh princess Diana wala), vo log bahut saare idea de rahe hai landmine eradication ka, unke site pe jaakar ye sab idea post kar dete hain.

BTW arya, who cares anything about limb or life, after all everything is fair in love and war. The bottomline is that having intelligent landmines will add up to ordnance costs drastically. Plus there might be other factors involved. Who knows?

[GpeL]

Un ke liye ek aur idea hai.. they should dig up the body of diana and roll it over suspected mine fields.. us ka wishes (demining) bhi fulfill ho jaayega.. aur kharcha for equipment bhi bach jaayega!!

[aryaputra]

Originally posted by kameena


Idea to saare mast hai yaar. Voh international society for banning landmines hai na (voh princess Diana wala), vo log bahut saare idea de rahe hai landmine eradication ka, unke site pe jaakar ye sab idea post kar dete hain.

BTW arya, who cares anything about limb or life, after all everything is fair in love and war. The bottomline is that having intelligent landmines will add up to ordnance costs drastically. Plus there might be other factors involved. Who knows?

bhidu, the question is control of landmines AFTER WAR DURING PEACE, not during war.

Originally posted by aryaputra


bhidu, the question is control of landmines AFTER WAR DURING PEACE, not during war.

... what if the enemy gets hold of a few unexploded mines and is able to develop a remote control to turn them all OFF or ON ?

[GpeL]

Originally posted by eNRI


... what if the enemy gets hold of a few unexploded mines and is able to develop a remote control to turn them all OFF or ON ?

While they are playing with the on off switch, we will develop a method to "block" their remote control signals. In the mean time, we will leave remote controls with wrongly labled switches at easy reach of the enemies...

You see curiosity factor.. psychological war man..

Like ajit would say.. inko liquid oxygen me daal do.. oxygen inko marne nahi dega.. liquid in ko jeene nahi dega!!

Always have a trick up my sleeve.. don't underestimate me.

[vyomkeshsaxena]

Originally posted by aryaputra
But then the ordinance should produce mines with a limited active life of say 6 months. So even if somebody forgot the "map" of the mines, it would not be a problem to anybody.

good point arya :up:

well anti-persoonel mines or landmines as they normally called r mainly of 3 types as far as detonation is considered viz. blast (eg M14 APM)..bound & fragmentation (eg- M16 APM)...and r triggered either by pressure or PULLING THE SPRING-LAODED RELEASE PIN.. but bottom-line is that all have a single task..THEY KILL OR DISABLE ;)
now coming to ur point...yes "smart mines" have been produced..well USA has them ,south africa produce them ..i donno abt. india...this mines r progremmed to SELF-DESTRUCT or SELF-NEUTARLIZe after certain period of time...
well now-a-days ARYA .we have 2 terminologies for mines viz. DUMB MINES N SMART MINES..dumbs have been discussed by all the users in this thread...well this terminlogy was once used by even bill clinton in "international campaign to band lindmines" (office -vienna) where he said that smart mines use is not inhuman or something like that...
so far india..china...russia etc have not ratified the treaty (due top expire in 2006 i suppose) and reserve the right to use the,m..and in-line america though ratified says that it will not come into force unless the former countries ratify it...but smart mines also have disadvantages..like if their activity time out is designed to be 6 months..than also casualities will occur....isnt it???

now coming back to my comments on thread ..well i have a a opinion that they should be used along LOC to check infiltration and along borders to atleast give a small blow n make them go-back in case of a a flash attack (well our armed forces have a site-map so casualties on our side can be minimised ..well i used term minimised and not ruling out casualities altogether) but i have a opinion why normal people will tread along boundaries..any guesses ;)

also a user said that DGMO's of both countries exchange site-maps of landmines..well buddy nothing of such sort takes place...we only exchange list of nuclear installation,thats it !!! only list r exchanged in case or refugee infiltration or in a civil war scenario and that too with the field commanders of UN SPECIAL FORCES..get it!! (btw can u support u point...in case i may be wrong ;) ) (before commenting rem'ber both pakis and indians have not ratified the ban treaty)

also a user said nukes r deterrents ..mines r not

buudy the dictionary meaninf of deterrent is "A retaliatory means of discouraging enemy attack" ...what do ya think we r doing with mines :smash: :smash: :D :D

[Kya Bidu]

Originally posted by Freedom_Peace
Whole world has taken a stance that landmining is not good period.

Care to name any country which has forgone the use of landmines in warfare? It should be really interesting!

Furthermore landmines are legitimate weapons of war, and there is no ban on their use. So why do you want us to take a moral high ground at the cost of our defence.

Perhaps you can also tell us how many infiltrators they have killed. Infiltrators who would have gone on to kill civilians.

:rolleyes:

[Kya Bidu]

Still waiting for your reply...

[Kya Bidu]

Seems to be hiding. Typical!!!

Come out...Come out... Wherever you are!!! We are still waiting for you to support your position with names of countries, which have given up the use of land mines...

[Freedom_Peace]

Originally posted by Kya Bidu
Seems to be hiding. Typical!!!

Paduu biduuuuuu !!!!


Come out...Come out... Wherever you are!!! We are still waiting for you to support your position with names of countries, which have given up the use of land mines... In December 1997, an international treaty banning landmines was created. The Convention on the Prohibition of the Use, Stockpiling, Production, and Transfer of Anti-personnel Mines and their Destruction was signed in Ottawa, Canada. It focuses on removing landmines, preventing their use and production, and assisting victims. It is also deigned to improve data collection, implement mine-awareness programs, strengthen health care and rehabilitation facilities for victims, and provide guidelines for government to enforce the treaty and its objectives11. The treaty has been signed by 133 countries and ratified by 64 countires12. However, the US has not signed the treaty. US officials have indicated that the US will seek an exception for new use of smart and dumb anti-personnel mines in Korea and for new use of certain smart anti-personnel mines globally13. Their objection undermines a major goal of the treaty, which is to ban to use of landmines. The US’s position on the treaty is odd, considering the DOD recognizes the risks of landmines, yet want to allow for their continued use. While ratification by the US would strengthen the treaty, enough countries understand the hazards of landmines and have ratified the treaty without the US’s exception. Because at least 40 countries have ratified the treaty, it will become international law on March 1, 199912. It will take many decades before this treaty can attempt to alleviate the hazards presented by landmines. The treaty will certainly increase mine awareness programs and encourage research for the development of improved demining tactics, which will help societies regain their before-war lives.

http://www.oneworld.org/guides/landmines/info.html

Most former mine-producing/exporting countries now support the Ottawa Convention Most countries which were major producers and exporters of antipersonnel landmines (apms) have decided to sign the Ottawa Convention. Former mine producers now in favour of the Ottawa Convention's total ban on apms include:

Argentina, Austria, Belgium, Bosnia-Herzogovina, Brazil, Canada, Chile, Czech Republic, Denmark, France, Greece, Hungary, Italy, Japan, Netherlands, Nicaragua, Norway, Peru, Poland, Portugal, Slovakia, South Africa, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland, Thailand, Uganda, United Kingdom. Belgium, former Czechoslovakia, France, Hungary, Italy, United Kingdom were identified by the US Army Foreign Service & Technology Center as major mine producers over the past 25 years; all now support the Ottawa Convention.

[Freedom_Peace]

A GIFT TO THE WORLD IN OSLO
TREATY BANNING ANTIPERSONNEL MINES ADOPTED!
Oslo, Norway: 17 September 1997
The International Campaign to Ban Landmines, a worldwide coalition of over 1,000 non-governmental organizations in over 60 countries, saw the achievement in Oslo, Norway today of a treaty banning the use, production, stockpiling and transfer of antipersonnel landmines. Landmines maim and kill an estimated 26,000 victims worldwide every year, the vast majority innocent men, women and children.

Tension had been heightened in the final days of the conference as the U.S. continued to press for the incorporation of its inflexible demands into the treaty. However, just before adoption of the convention this morning, the United States made a statement that because it had been unable to gain any significant support, it was regretfully withdrawing its proposals.

Jody Williams, Coordinator of the International Campaign to Ban Landmines, at a press conference jointly held with the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) shortly after the conference adjourned, thanked the participating nations for "staying firm in the face of strong lobbying by the U.S. and other nations to achieve a compromise. The successful negotiation of an unambiguous ban treaty today shows the world recognizes that ALL antipersonnel mines are illegal in ALL circumstances," she said.

In concluding Williams noted that the Ottawa Process is as important as this treaty itself. "What has been achieved here shows that smaller states and non-governmental organizations can work together to speedily respond to global crises. Diplomacy in the post-Cold War period really is different."

"The treaty shows that humanity has the power to move mountains," said Louise Doswald-Beck, head of the delegation of the ICRC. "We now need to ensure nations sign and ratify the treaty".

Formal adoption and closure of the conference will occur tomorrow morning. 89 countries are participating in the negotiations and more are expected to sign in Ottawa, Canada this December. Another 36 nations were observers to the Oslo negotiations.

http://www.oneworld.org/landmines/banned.html

[Kya Bidu]

Please name the countries who have signed the treaty.

NOT Support - actually signed and given up the use of anti-personnel landmines.

BTW I notice that this is only for anti-personnel mines. What about anti-tank mines. As per your post you want us to give up ALL land mines.

cheers fuddu_piss

[Freedom_Peace]

Originally posted by Kya Bidu
Please name the countries who have signed the treaty.

NOT Support - actually signed and given up the use of anti-personnel landmines.

BTW I notice that this is only for anti-personnel mines. What about anti-tank mines. As per your post you want us to give up ALL land mines.

cheers fuddu_piss


Most countries which were major producers and exporters of antipersonnel landmines (apms) have decided to sign the Ottawa Convention. Former mine producers now in favour of the Ottawa Convention's total ban on apms include:

Argentina, Austria, Belgium, Bosnia-Herzogovina, Brazil, Canada, Chile, Czech Republic, Denmark, France, Greece, Hungary, Italy, Japan, Netherlands, Nicaragua, Norway, Peru, Poland, Portugal, Slovakia, South Africa, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland, Thailand, Uganda, United Kingdom. Belgium, former Czechoslovakia, France, Hungary, Italy, United Kingdom were identified by the US Army Foreign Service & Technology Center as major mine producers over the past 25 years; all now support the Ottawa Convention.

Bibu,
Read the title of the thread one more time......
I was asking ... Should we......that does not mean we should not......

if you say we should plant landmines, ok we should mine the borders then ......but why are u getting hostile chanda....

[Kya Bidu]

It says they are in favour. Doesn't say they have signed. when you're sure of the names and can prove it post it here...

In the meantime, all this is lip-service to a landmine ban. Everyone wants it, but no one is willing to give up its right to lay landmines. Therefore my question was, why should we. Those are legitimate defence weapons.

[Freedom_Peace]

Originally posted by Kya Bidu
As per your post you want us to give up ALL land mines.



Thatz your conclusion !
I was trying to get a opinion from every one, I personally think its not a good idea bcoz in long term it will come back to hurt us......I keep assuming that we wont fight another war with Pakistan adn rexolve things peacfully. And if my asssumption becomes reality (which doesn't look like happening) then landmines will hurt eventually......
I really dont know how many countries sighed that Ottawa treaty, but in general everyone comdemns landmines and for whatever reasons they have actually implementing the ban....

[GpeL]

Oy fp bhai.. tera to yahan par fundu ladai chalu hai bro.. kyaa bidu se bhid rahaa hai.. yaar wah majaa aa rahaa hai.

Bidu bhai.. chorna nahi.. ache se pakad lo.. aur jam kar dhikchik.. ;)

Chorega nahi pakad ke rakhegaa (Mahmood in ek chaturnaar!!)

:D :D

[Freedom_Peace]

Originally posted by GpeL
Oy fp bhai.. tera to yahan par fundu ladai chalu hai bro.. kyaa bidu se bhid rahaa hai.. yaar wah majaa aa rahaa hai.

Bidu bhai.. chorna nahi.. ache se pakad lo.. aur jam kar dhikchik.. ;)

Chorega nahi pakad ke rakhegaa (Mahmood in ek chaturnaar!!)

:D :D

Gpel bahi,
Saabi saalay mere marne pe tula hai aab aap bi chalo hugayaaa.... Always its fun to be on the other side......no fun in sailiing with the tide.......aap bi kabbbadddi player ho kyaaaa ghaj ke pakkkadddd

[GpeL]

Originally posted by Freedom_Peace


Gpel bahi,
Saabi saalay mere marne pe tula hai aab aap bi chalo hugayaaa.... Always its fun to be on the other side......no fun in sailiing with the tide.......aap bi kabbbadddi player ho kyaaaa ghaj ke pakkkadddd

Are are nahi bhai.. vo to pyaar se tha!!

[Freedom_Peace]

Originally posted by GpeL


Are are nahi bhai.. vo to pyaar se tha!!

Chalo yeh bhi ek naya style hai G* bi maro aur pati bhi nahin chalay......

[GpeL]

Yaar I am inspired by the nurse who takes my blood samples whenever she has an urge.. pahle rui se malo.. phir saala injection ghusedo.. phir rui se malo aur phir maraham patti karo.. hai naa achaa style?

[Freedom_Peace]

Originally posted by GpeL
Yaar I am inspired by the nurse who takes my blood samples whenever she has an urge.. pahle rui se malo.. phir saala injection ghusedo.. phir rui se malo aur phir maraham patti karo.. hai naa achaa style?

AIDS bahoot bure bimari hai sample pe sample denay padh tha hai na...... just kidding....
Ya phir nursh masstt pataka to nahin .....aap sample pe sample deya ja rahe hai.....

[GpeL]

Are nahi pai. regular checkups.. sala pichle week ek sample vo misplace kar di.. to dubaara sui thuus di.. ab yaar pyaar se maang rahi thi.. to de diyaa!! apna dil hi kuch aisa hai ki ladkiyon ka request khoon de kar bhi pura karte hain!!

[Freedom_Peace]

Originally posted by GpeL
Are nahi pai. regular checkups.. sala pichle week ek sample vo misplace kar di.. to dubaara sui thuus di.. ab yaar pyaar se maang rahi thi.. to de diyaa!! apna dil hi kuch aisa hai ki ladkiyon ka request khoon de kar bhi pura karte hain!!

Ladkiyon ko khoon nahin chahiya pai, kuch samjha karooooo yaar. waisa hi khoon bah raha ho....

[GpeL]

Theek hai dhyaan rakhunga.. acha folks.. time to go

See you all monday.

[vyomkeshsaxena]

well FP..dont mind 'kya bidu's' posts...his problrem is that he draws conclusive statements very soon n doesnt consider any parameters/evidences/links or whatsoever...he thinks that what he feels is right and shows no flexiblity in expressing opinions.. he is trying to be too oversmart in the forums..
btw abt. ur ottawa convention or something..well lotsa countries have signed it but 2006 s the time-limit to ratify it (i've given a detailed inf. abt. mines, types etc etc on my post on page 2) and so far russia, india n china r not the signatories and in the absence of which US , who is a signatory, is not willing to ratify it...

btw here we r xpressing our opinions and not verdicts,mr bidu and u r no oneto ask for proofs etc etc. when u urselfside-line them (i had a discussion, if u rem/ber on 'arjun tank' where u really started behaving very cheaply) ..ur work here is just to post uropinion n not any personal attacks or show oversmartness