Can we afford a war with Pakistan now?

[echarcha]

I wanted to know if we can really afford a war at this time with Pakistan?

For the USA or Israel to go in "hot pursuit" of terrorists is all fine as their economies are much better off than ours even in a recession.

Do you think India can afford or is prepared to handle such things as reconstruction of attcked areas, a nuclear fall-out, etc. which will surely happen in this war? I mean, the Pakis will attack us and many civillians will die. They may also use a nuclear device and this may spread radioactivity for miles.

Do we have enough preparations to take care of such nuclear fall out.

Can we sustain the war machinery for 'as long as it takes' ?

All experts have analysed that this will be a full scale war, etc. but what about the economics? Remember Kargil was about 100 crore a day or some such high figure.

[viking]

That is the chance we have to take. Germany and Japan rebuilt themselves, they rose from the ashes like the legendary bird Pheonix. If they can do it we can too.

This endless proxy war is killing India slowly. People are losing confidence in the entire govt defency policy itself.

I have a feeling we are giving Pakistan more than it is worth. A nation who obeys America like an obidient dog cannot strike back if the first few days of Indian attacks takes a heavy toll of their armed forces. They have succeeded in building a myth about their nuclear capabilities. Do we even know if their missiles work?

I feel we cannot be cowded down endlessly with their bullshit. We gotta get em and we gotta get em by their balls!NOW!

[smellyfinger]

I dont think any country can "afford" a war. War is an expense that can only be justified by what it would solve. How much are we spending defending Kashmir .. losing in tourist revenues .. how many soldiers and civilians are we losing now in this battle. If we are confident that a war with Pakistan is going to eliminate terrorism (and I doubt it will) and in the long run it will be cheaper than military rule in Kashmir (both from a monetary and loss of life standpoint) only then should we attack

[GpeL]

Well atleast for the heck of it.. to demostrate that we can kick those dogs anytime there should be one.. that will discourage them from attempting some foolish thing again. While we are at it.. they should liqidate all the madrasaas and when pukis surrender.. this time demand the head of the terrorists in exchange of pow if any..and also take over POK unlike last time. I think it is pukistan that cannot afford it.

I think afford it or not.. its time.

[Big-G]

That is the chance we have to take. Germany and Japan rebuilt themselves, they rose from the ashes like the legendary bird Pheonix. If they can do it we can too.


Oh really? Even without a war, we aren't even soaring like a pigeon. What makes you think that after war we will soar like Pheonix. Both India and Pak are ridden with problems. War is the last thing that they need. Those bastads have their priorities all wrong. The whole country lives like beggars, while the mothrf*king leaders do nothing but finger India's butt. Why should we follow suit? Why go down with them, when we are, though slowly, going the progressive way?

And what can war achieve? You think it'll stop Pak from doing what it's doing later on? I don't think so. If India wants to finish of this terrorist thing completely, it'll have to snuff out every life in Pak. That is not a possibility. We can destroy 80% of their country. But then what happens? The remaining 20% will have no mission in their lives but to destroy India.

War has never worked. And it never will.

[Big-G]

WE NEED A CHANAKYA

[echarcha]

that no ****ry has a special budget for war. War happens.

but in India's case, realistically speaking, can we sustain the costs like actual ammunitions, motor-fuel, jet-fuel, etc. needed for a war beyond the first couple of months or whatever reserve quota we have?

I am trying to see how the economics of a war will pan out.

[Big-G]

Lets first understand the meaning of afford. If it just means whether we can fund the war, then the answer is YES. Every Indian in the US can afford a Rolls Royce. He can buy it off a very long term loan and pay his complete salary check as the instalment for the rest of his life. It's just that he won't have any money left to eat.

Same goes for India. Yeah, we do have enough money to keep the war going for years, let alone months. But, we won;t be left with much money to do anything else.

[chirag2000]

Originally posted by Big-G
WE NEED A CHANAKYA

arthashastra is available ....if our politicians read it and amal karnge uspar to india will rise

_____________

...pak is fighting a proxy war but india is fighting a war...the amount spent everyday in kasmir could help build many schools and feed thousand mouths...
roj roj kashmir mein itna kahrche se to accha ek hi baar mein saap ko kuchal diya jaaye
so why not go in for direct attack on the pakis and shut them up once and for all....

[Big-G]

Originally posted by chirag2000

so why not go in for direct attack on the pakis and shut them up once and for all....

That's the point my friend. You can't shut them up once and for all.

[Rebel]

More than a milatary war we need a civil war.
If we as Indians are tough no country can poke their finger

[Rahul]

Originally posted by Big-G
Same goes for India. Yeah, we do have enough money to keep the war going for years, let alone months. But, we won;t be left with much money to do anything else.

Anything else what haan, for few more scams, In India what else the Government do, they dont do anything which will help to progress the country, How much percent govt spent of infrasturctrure or industry or say agriculture, no no, its not my question, how much percent actually goes into it.

Buddy, even if war start, nothing will change, accept few more scams like coffin (chor) or say Bullet scam or Bumb scam (where bomb explode our own terrotory instead of enemy terrotory) :mad:

[chirag2000]

Originally posted by Big-G


That's the point my friend. You can't shut them up once and for all.


yeah quite true.....
they`ll keep comming back again and again..like mahmud of ghazni ...in a short period of 25 years, he is said to have made 17 raids into India....plundered looted ..lost sometimes....kept comming back.."gr8 man" and "ideal holy warrior"
http://www.majbill.vt.edu/history/acuffel/New_Biruni.htm

[Big-G]

Originally posted by chirag2000



yeah quite true.....
they`ll keep comming back again and again..like mahmud of ghazni ...in a short period of 25 years, he is said to have made 17 raids into India....plundered looted ..lost sometimes....kept comming back.."gr8 man" and "ideal holy warrior"
http://www.majbill.vt.edu/history/acuffel/New_Biruni.htm

:D :D
Tu saalay phir flashback meiN chala gaya?? Mahmud of ghazni nay jitnee G*and maarni thi, woh maar kay oopar chala gaya. Ab 1000 saal pahley ki baat yaad karkay kyooN ro raha hai?
It just proves that the Indian kings of those times were weaker. That's how things used to work. Invaders used to come. If the king didn't have the might to stop them, they used to plunder, loot and go away. Ghazni did the same thing. So did Chengis Khan. So did the Vikings (echarcha waala nahin... asli waaley :D)

Tu India-Pak war meiN ghazni ko kyooN laya? :D

[chirag2000]

Originally posted by Big-G


:D :D
Tu saalay phir flashback meiN chala gaya?? Mahmud of ghazni nay jitnee G*and maarni thi, woh maar kay oopar chala gaya. Ab 1000 saal pahley ki baat yaad karkay kyooN ro raha hai?
It just proves that the Indian kings of those times were weaker. That's how things used to work. Invaders used to come. If the king didn't have the might to stop them, they used to plunder, loot and go away. Ghazni did the same thing. So did Chengis Khan. So did the Vikings (echarcha waala nahin... asli waaley :D)

Tu India-Pak war meiN ghazni ko kyooN laya? :D

kuch relation laga idhar muje:rolleyes:
any way
chengis khan muslim nahi tha

aur haan ek acchi joke site hai
http://www.pakistans.net/pakistan/ghaznavid.htm
pakistan ne histtory ko is tarah toda maroda hai ki..gazni ko hindu exterminator se...hindu priya aur hindu lover bana diya hai..a must visit
_____________

sorry for flashback yaar kabhi kabhi jhatke aate hai ;)

[Shringarey]

I feel that rather than war, we should :

1. Develop intelligence.
2. Create counter-terrorism
3. Create our OWN terrorist outfit.
4. Start funding separatist Pakis like Sindhis, Baluchis, Kashmiris, Mohajirs.

With a bit of luck, we can divide Pak once again. Dunno if that is advisable tho.

Shring

[echarcha]

Please check your PM

[Big-G]

Chingaree....let this day, this hour, this moment be recorded in History.

This is the first time that the I have agreed with you 100%

(Lets hug.
I insist.)

[Big-G]

Originally posted by echarcha
Please check your PM
:rolleyes:

Any guesses as to what charcha pai must have written to Chingaree?

[chirag2000]

Originally posted by Shringarey
I feel that rather than war, we should :

1. Develop intelligence.
2. Create counter-terrorism
3. Create our OWN terrorist outfit.
4. Start funding separatist Pakis like Sindhis, Baluchis, Kashmiris, Mohajirs.

With a bit of luck, we can divide Pak once again. Dunno if that is advisable tho.

Shring

5]send all christian missonaries to pakistaan[they hate these guys]
6]support ahmediyyas quadianis shias with weapons and turn them against pakistaan ...use religion as a tool ..just as they do by dividing us and turning our neighbours[and professors] against each other

[padhu]

Ok...to anaylze this scenario you have to split the above questions into various different thresholds.

1) If our key cities(bombay, delhi, bangalore, chennai) are destroyed in a strike will we be able to bear the cost of rebuilding them. Not to mention the toll on life itself. In a nuclear conflict, the death toll will 100% fatalities within a 40 mile radius and decreasig by 10% for every 10 miles. Not to forget the ill effects of radiation...these last typically for 4-5 generations. Are we ready for this.

2) If our key military installations are destroyed in a pre-emptive strike...will we be able to harness a second strike capability. Not to metion the loss of equipment along with various other factors.

3) Will we have the capability to thwart any internal uprising against our war with pakistan. There are many in India who will take this opportunity to sabotage a lot of our internal infrastructure, becuase of their mush mush towards pukistan.

4) In the event of war do we have enough of fuel supplies to support our troop movement in case of a conflict. I dont think pakis would have that problem thanx to their sleeping partner saudi arabia. India has no fuel reserves. Even if we win the war and tomorrow the gulf refuse to give us fuel then what. We will have to buy from US and Russia at almost twice the existing rate. Are we ready for that.



My answer to all of this is NO...WE ARE NOT READY FOR IT.



BUT

Life and dignity are not so cheap also that you lay on your bed and get an orgasm out of it. For twenty years we have seen the blood of our people go in vain. I say today we put that to rest. Lets give them everything that we got. I say to hell with those who say that we will go 50 years back in case of war. We are 50 years back anyways, so what the ****.

But if this time, we dont finish the job to the end...then i am sorry to say that 20 years downt he line we will have this same problem again.



In this world India has its friends and has its enemies...but gettign rid of this one asshole country should be the motto of every free society in the world.

[Big-G]

But if this time, we dont finish the job to the end...

What exactly do you mean by "finishing the job to the end"?


In this world India has its friends and has its enemies...but gettign rid of this one asshole country should be the motto of every free society in the world.

That's the problem. It would have been a perfect world had assholes been absolute. But the fact is that asshole is a relative term. An asshole for us can be a rose petal for someone else. How many countries would actually stand with us and call Pak an asshole country?

[aurangzeb]

The infidels have already been trying their tactics in Pakistan. This is the status

Attempt : Jiye Sindh movement
Status : Failure
Reason: Grace of Islam

Attempt : Muhajir Quami Movement
Status : Failure
Reason: Grace of Islam

Attempt : Baluchistan
Status : Failure
Reason: Grace of Islam

Attempt : Azad Pushtunistan
Status : Failure
Reason: Grace of Islam

Islam will remain victorious.Hindus are destined to burn
Allah Hafiz

[padhu]

biggy

finishing job to the end means going in all the way into pakistan...right upto their border with afghanistan. Destroy their whole nuclear infrastructure, destroy their whole defence structure, as well as their command and control. Not to forget, take this opportunity to wipe out PoK for that small puny piece of shit land is nothin but trouble.


As for your second question, there are a lot of gulf countries who wont side with us, but there are some who will, namely iran and iraq. They may be shitty in value to the west but their opinion will count. As Bush said today, India has every right to use whatever means to defend itself....isn't that in itself a signal that the US is not goign to tell us what to do. We will always have the backign of Russia and Isreal with us. Once we have these 3 to back us up who the **** cares about these other arab countries. Sooner or later they will fall back in line.

[kafir]

Originally posted by aurangzeb
The infidels have already been trying their tactics in Pakistan. This is the status

Attempt Status Reason

Jiye Sindh movement Failure Grace of Islam

Muhajir Quami Movement Failure Grace of Islam

Baluchistan Failure Grace of Islam

Azad Pustoon Failed to take off Grace of Islam

Islam will remain victorious. Hindus will burn

Allah Hafiz

Are you on crack, Aurangzeb Miya? Every kid in India is taught, "Satyameva Jayate." Truth alone Triumphs.

The truth will indeed triumph. Wait and watch.

Btw, your Musharraf is now cracking down on all Madarssas. Grace of Islam, or Penis of America up Musharraf's ass?

[CyberKhiladi]

Originally posted by aurangzeb
The infidels have already been trying their tactics in Pakistan. This is the status

Attempt : Jiye Sindh movement
Status : Failure
Reason: Grace of Islam

Attempt : Muhajir Quami Movement
Status : Failure
Reason: Grace of Islam

Attempt : Baluchistan
Status : Failure
Reason: Grace of Islam

Attempt : Azad Pushtunistan
Status : Failure
Reason: Grace of Islam

Hinduism will remain victorious.
Allah Hafiz

abbe saale suwar ke bache.......tu hai kya cheez gaandu!! All u got is THIS?
Aaj se tujhe ye hi pukar ke bolungz......SUWAR? yeh hi ek cheez hai jo haram hai tere liye.....
Suwar ki najayaz aulad!

[echarcha]

may not be economically prepared for a full scale war.. fine I accept that.

But what about rounding up all Bangladeshi Muslims and Paki Muslims holed up in India???

How about issuing national id cards?

[CyberKhiladi]

Originally posted by echarcha
may not be economically prepared for a full scale war.. fine I accept that.

But what about rounding up all Bangladeshi Muslims and Paki Muslims holed up in India???

How about issuing national id cards?
how would that help......what proof do u have that i am an indian?
inspite of me being a paki or bong?
registration sab ka thodi na hota hai?

[viking]

Originally posted by aurangzeb
The infidels have already been trying their tactics in Pakistan. This is the status

Attempt : Jiye Sindh movement
Status : Failure
Reason: Grace of Islam

Attempt : Muhajir Quami Movement
Status : Failure
Reason: Grace of Islam

Attempt : Baluchistan
Status : Failure
Reason: Grace of Islam

Attempt : Azad Pushtunistan
Status : Failure
Reason: Grace of Islam

Islam will remain victorious.Hindus are destined to burn
Allah Hafiz
Big-G what do you have to say?

[padhu]

as long as you have desh drohis like Sonia Gandhi, Mulayam Singh Yadav and all these politicians, this is not going to be achieved.

[CyberKhiladi]

ultimate things is INDIA shuould make the face of Pakistan disappear from the face of earth........
jus destroy it annhilate it so that noone sould e1 dream bout doin sumthing like this to other nations!!

sallo ko apni aukad pe lana chaiye.

[CyberKhiladi]

ek aur cheez.......samay aur Ch***ya agar dekho to kata sirf pakistan hai peechle 50 sal mein!!
to zahir hai ki uski hi kat ta rahega aane wala 50 , 100(if it e1 exists then)

[Shringarey]

We have to use diplomacy. This is NOT between Pak and India. It is between Islam and West. 12/13 attack shows that we CANNOT be neutral but will have to take sides. This is a clash between two world views - Brotherhood v/s Freedom. Simple.

This is a long drawn out war. A loooong war. Just as it was between Communism and Freedom. There are skirmishes in this war. 12/13 was one of them. Thang God we are on the winning side in this war, unlike the last one.

If we sit tight, apply diplomatic and anti-terrorism pressure, we are sure to prevail. Why? The Islamic brotherhood, just like the earlier brotherhood of workers CANNOT produce goods and services. They will collapse from within due to financial chaos. It is being sustained by:

a) External aid
b) Oil

External aid will slow down. Oil will be replaced. We will prevail.

For that we have to:

a) develop counter terrorism
b) Increase the cost of terrorism to Pakis.

War nahee theek hai yaar

Shring

[Big-G]

Originally posted by viking

Big-G what do you have to say?

:D
AB kya bolooN yaar... is ch**t kay pissoo Aurangi say poochchh ki uskay baap nay usko bola hai ki India was responsible for all those lafdas?

All the uprisings that he mentioned were spontaneous and started on their own. If India wanted, it could have stepped in at the right moment and fanned the fire. India didn't, hence Pakis could crush them. No uprising/coup-de-etat can stand on it's own without a foreign power helping them. Imagine if Pakistan was not helping, do you think Kashmir would have been in the situation it is in?
During Khalistan uprising, as long as Pak extended it's support the terrorism went on. The moment Bhutto stopped it and handed over the list of terrorists to the Indian govt. it all stopped cold.

Aurangi claims that India did all that. The fact is, India didn't. Had India involved itself, Pakistan would have been shattered into bits.

(Viking...buddy, you don't have to take the trouble of switching the IDs. Just keep one of them. We'll assume the rest :D :D)

[smellyfinger]

Do we have a schizophrenic fundamentalist here ?? Multiple personality disorder .. with each personality being a religious fanatic of different religions ??

Yeh kya ho raha hai ??

[viking]

Originally posted by Big-G


(Viking...buddy, you don't have to take the trouble of switching the IDs. Just keep one of them. We'll assume the rest :D :D)
Dear Big-G / Dhurandar bhat...

I do not have your qualities:(

Big - G : - Dr. Jekyl Mr. Hyde!:D

Big - G the Big Ghapchao guy!;):D

People here do love the Dr.Jekyl side of yours though...lage raho mere laal!:D

[viking]

Dhurandar-G:D,
I love the way you derail arguments though!:D Looks like if paid enough India could use your skills to foment trouble in Pakistan. Look you even came up with that idea!:D

[smellyfinger]

yeh kya ho rahah hai ... let me get this straight

Viking=Aurangzeb
Big-G=Dhurandhar Bhat

what next ??
echarcha=Dalit
Suhasini=fei
Home Sick=eNRI
??

[viking]

Originally posted by viking
Dhurandar-G:D,
I love the way you derail arguments though!:D Looks like if paid enough India could use your skills to foment trouble in Pakistan. Look you even came up with that idea!:D
Except that if suddenly the Dhurandhar side of your personality gets activated(as it does from time to time) India will repent and Pakistan will rejoice!:D

Big-G : The boomerang guy!:D

[videsee]

Originally posted by smellyfinger
yeh kya ho rahah hai ... let me get this straight

Viking=Aurangzeb
Big-G=Dhurandhar Bhat

what next ??
echarcha=Dalit
Suhasini=fei
Home Sick=eNRI
??

Smelly = Gpel?

ROFL:D :D :D

[GpeL]

Originally posted by videsee


Smelly = Gpel?

ROFL:D :D :D


Means I am gonna meet myself over christmas weekend? :confused:

[smellyfinger]

Videsee=SHEENA :D


Yaar big-g to nahin hai yahaan .. lekin Viking hai ..

VIkingji .. aap hi killear kar dijiye ..

Are you also Aurangzeb??

[viking]

Originally posted by videsee


Smelly = Gpel?

ROFL:D :D :D
No videsee bahi lets say

suhasini = GPeL:D

Jokes apart though I feel this equation holds water

Xandu = Aurangzeb

Sucker tried to frame me!

[videsee]

Originally posted by GpeL



Means I am gonna meet myself over christmas weekend? :confused:

In that case Im sure you will enjoy each others company!!!!:D :D :D

[viking]

Originally posted by smellyfinger

Are you also Aurangzeb??
Are nahi yaar!..Mere bhai. That aurangzeb has stuck to my ass like a leach. Help me get it off!:D

[GpeL]

Originally posted by viking

No videsee bahi lets say

suhasini = GPeL:D

Jokes apart though I feel this equation holds water

Xandu = Aurangzeb

Sucker tried to frame me!


viking pai.. mai ne aap ko aise kyaa kar daala ki mere ko suhasini bol diye.. yaar gussa hai to gali do yaar.. bura nahi maanunga.. suhasini waaa waaaaaa waaaaaaaaaaaa waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[smellyfinger]

Viking .. sach sach bol yaar .. if I really wanted to, I can find out .. but merekoo mehnat nahin karni hai .. tu hi bata de ..

[videsee]

Originally posted by viking

Are nahi yaar!..Mere bhai. That aurangzeb has stuck to my ass like a leach. Help me get it off!:D

Best way to get rid off a leech on the ass is to set it on fire....the leach not the ass!:D :D :D

[smellyfinger]

Ok .. cool ..

So how did you figure Big-G = Dhurru ??

(Actually, I know for a fact that they are not the same .. but you can tell me anyway, how you came up with that )

[Ajit]

I guess all of you guys are only looking at the option of an outright war and the cost associated with it without considering the proxy war.

I feel that we now how to make choice whether we want to fight a short-term open war or a long term proxy war with Pakistan. Following are the pros and cons :

Short term outright war :

1) High cost over a short span of time.

India and Pakistan will be badly hit economically. However India will be bale to sail thru , but Pak will collapse.

2) Threat of nuclear conflagaration

It remains a theoretical possibility. Pak is like to use this option first ( if so ), but I doubt they will do that , as they wouldn't want risk their elimination. Then there will be international pressure...They will be inclined to resolve the Kashmir issue rather.

3) India will have to surmount some international pressure...however we can get off with it at this point of time.


Long term Proxy war :

1) This seems more like a one sided war waged by Pak against India for the last two decades. WE HAVE INCURRED A HUGE COST FOR THIS TOO. Pakistan has been successful in bleeding India in this manner without incurring any significant cost. In this area India has been a loser.

2) Cost incurred is same as or more than an outright war , but it is spread over a longer span of time and hence does not pose destabilizing financial problems or nuclear threat.

Looking at the above factors , it does make sense to me to, that India should seriously consider the option of short term limited war with Pakisten to teach them a proper lesson...like what US & Israel are doing. We have an opportunity now since Pak does not enjoy a strategic depth in Afghanistan anymore , is in a deep economic mess and cannot build an international opinion against India since the world is awake to the threat of Islamic fundamentalism emanting from Pak-afghan region. The only way to deter Pak from cross-border terrorism is to make them pay for their mis-deeds.

[Big-G]

Viking Pai.... Thou doth protest too much, methinks :D

And more than anyone else, you know for sure that I am not Dhurru... (raaz ki baat, kah dooN to... :D)

[CyberKhiladi]

how bout juhi = rahul

[Rahul]

One more serious issue guys, Its going to interesting to watch whom actually US going to support, If Indian wage a full fledge war against Napakistan, as long as US purpose dont solve by capturing or killing Osama, I thing US will back PAK, no matter what they say in front of Media.

[echarcha]

Have we had enough derailment now?? :o

Can we get back on track??

[Big-G]

Aurangi "the ball-less B@stard" derailed it. Uski maaro.

[Rahul]

Originally posted by CyberKhiladi
how bout juhi = rahul

since that long, I am fantasizing about myself ;) comon Bahuram (aka Cyberkhiladi ;) )

[CyberKhiladi]

ab delli door nahi!

[echarcha]

Originally posted by CyberKhiladi
ab delli door nahi!

Have we had enough derailment now?? :o

Can we get back on track??

[CyberKhiladi]

Hey Sunit,

I think if India wants to it get in pukis ass and get rit of it on 2 days.
Remember during kargil what israle offered.....it wouldinfiltrate pakistan in 6hrs and destroy its military sety......poore defence ki dhajiye ukhad dega.

and if u remember in 1979 isralei plane got hijacked to uganda ...israle completed the whole operation in 12 hrs only 1 passenger left dead and one military guy....i think rabins younger bro.....pm ariel sharon was there to on the whole attack.....it was so well planned. India could definitely do it it can afford to do it if its planned rit paki could be deleted and scavenged in like 5-6 days max poori armi and airforce ke saath

[Rahul]

Originally posted by CyberKhiladi
Hey Sunit,

I think if India wants to it get in pukis ass and get rit of it on 2 days.
Remember during kargil what israle offered.....it wouldinfiltrate pakistan in 6hrs and destroy its military sety......poore defence ki dhajiye ukhad dega.

and if u remember in 1979 isralei plane got hijacked to uganda ...israle completed the whole operation in 12 hrs only 1 passenger left dead and one military guy....i think rabins younger bro.....pm ariel sharon was there to on the whole attack.....it was so well planned. India could definitely do it it can afford to do it if its planned rit paki could be deleted and scavenged in like 5-6 days max poori armi and airforce ke saath

If Israel is so powerful and so great, why didnt they able to solve their problem, even after having Big Dada (USA) hand in their back ;)

[kafir]

Originally posted by aurangzeb
The infidels have already been trying their tactics in Pakistan. This is the status

Attempt : Jiye Sindh movement
Status : Failure
Reason: Grace of Islam

Attempt : Muhajir Quami Movement
Status : Failure
Reason: Grace of Islam

Attempt : Baluchistan
Status : Failure
Reason: Grace of Islam

Attempt : Azad Pushtunistan
Status : Failure
Reason: Grace of Islam

Islam will remain victorious.Hindus are destined to burn
Allah Hafiz

The believer forgot Bangladesh!!

Attempt: Bangladesh
Status:
- Total Success;
- 95,000 Pakistani Cowards surrendered to Gen. Arora
- Pakistan dismembered
Reason:
- Grace of Islam??
- Penis of India??
- Divine Interference??
- Or Aurangzeb's destiny to get screwed by me in this thread after 30 years of the operation?????

kafir
Become an infidel, Aurangzeb. Sab kuchh saaf samajh aayega

[CyberKhiladi]

Originally posted by Rahul


If Israel is so powerful and so great, why didnt they able to solve their problem, even after having Big Dada (USA) hand in their back ;)

solve problems....its can solve the problem by screwing lebanon/palestine in a day but the world doesnt support it the zone it is in in a very critical zone yo!!

we dont want a 3rd world war u see!

[RECKER]

A heavy price to pay for war

A FULL-FLEDGED war between India and Pakistan may cost each country over Rs 30 crore an hour. If the war goes on for two weeks, each country would end up spending about Rs 10,080 crore on it.

It took the Indian army only 12 days to defeat the Pakistanis in the war to liberate Bangladesh in December 1971. And it is estimated that New Delhi spent up to Rs 400 crore in this operation.

That compares with only a few crores spent in pushing out the Pakistan intruders from Jammu and Kashmir in 1948.

Operation Vijay fought over Kargil for 49 days in 1999 cost India Rs 1,894 crore, according to Air Commodore (retired) Jasjit Singh. That war involved a stretch not even a tenth of the entire Indo-Pak border.

Senior defence officials suggested that the cost of war today would go up further as the two countries would have to spend huge amounts on deployment and movement of their troops to the borders, engagement of railways, field rations, tank fuel, compensation to border villagers, insurance cover for soldiers and use of artillery, ammunition and equipment during it.

‘‘A laser guided precision bomb alone costs about Rs 1 crore,’’ the officials pointed out. This was probably also why Air Commodore Jasjit Singh, a former director of operations of the Air Force, refused to comment on the probable expenses in the event of an Indo-Pak war.

Lieutenant General (retired) Afsar Karim, a former member of the National Security Council also preferred to talk about engagement rather than estimate the expenditure that could be involved.

The prices of military equipment and ammunition have witnessed a ten-fold increase since 1971 and arms manufacturers are believed to have further hiked their prices since Kargil.

In the event of a war the biggest casualty is the economy. That is why the cabinet meeting to discuss matters of war compulsorily include the finance minister.

Finance Minister Yashwant Sinha has claimed that there is enough reserves to meet the requirements. That assurance notwithstanding, a war would potentially destroy the health of the economy.

For Pakistan, with more than its share of economic and political instability, the war will cause havoc. ‘‘If there is a war, it will cripple the Pakistani economy,’’ said a senior researcher at the Institute for Defence Studies and Analyses (IDSA), without batting an eyelid.

Cost of conflict

KARGIL War (1999): Rs 1,894 cr

BANGLADESH War (1971): Rs 400 cr

KASHMIR War (1948): A few crores.

[IndianGuyInUSA]

Recker,

Please refer this thread.

http://www.echarcha.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=6313

[echarcha]

:up:

[sober]

I have read the comments from different members
Some have taken the matter in the proper direction and one or two have answered it just foolishly. that speaks their level of thinking.
There is no second openion on this issue that India will be the winner in the war, because these days wars are not fought with swords. winner is the one who fights it smartly.
This is not the war of religions we all know it. whether palestinians, or iraque, or afganistan, or any other place, how many countries have really joined the groups in these wars. if groupings had really taken place long back it would have turned into almost another world war.
There is a saying "Donot argue a fool people will not find the difference" So let us forget / ignor those ...........
At the time of wars countries will almost come to the stand still, because the attention of every body will be on the events taking place, at each moment. [Manpower hours loss.]
Fertile land will get disturbed resulting which lack of food for many years. To buy that food from other countries means again foreign currency. and so on. therefore in final results both the countries will be the loosers, and pakistan definitely much more.

[tantric_yogi]

Originally posted by Big-G

Even without a war, we aren't even soaring like a pigeon. What makes you think that after war we will soar like Pheonix. Both India and Pak are ridden with problems. War is the last thing that they need. Those bastads have their priorities all wrong. The whole country lives like beggars, while the mothrf*king leaders do nothing but finger India's butt. Why should we follow suit? Why go down with them, when we are, though slowly, going the progressive way?

And what can war achieve? You think it'll stop Pak from doing what it's doing later on? I don't think so. If India wants to finish of this terrorist thing completely, it'll have to snuff out every life in Pak. That is not a possibility. We can destroy 80% of their country. But then what happens? The remaining 20% will have no mission in their lives but to destroy India.

War has never worked. And it never will.
When you least expect this guy BIG JI strikes and then so swiftly
that you are left gasping for air ...

I started out wanting to say go in and **** the sh@it out of their
armed forces and rid Pakistan of bastard bearded ones ... for once get over this evil curse of Nehru and Gandhi clans ... But then having read Big Ji ...............

[vyomkeshsaxena]

one of my fav. actor denzel washingon once said in his movie "crimson tide" viz. IN A NUCLEAR WORLD...OUR BIGGEST ENEMY IS THE WAR ITSELF...

i stand with his point..thought rough figures..i heard more than 1000 crores/day will go into a full fedged war...thats too much

[Freedom_Peace]

Originally posted by Shringarey


With a bit of luck, we can divide Pak once again. Dunno if that is advisable tho.

Shring

You are the first Guy on this site who accepted that we(Indian) were involved directly in dividing Pakistan into two. Lot of Pakistani's I run into these days and discuss the situation, they say the same damn thing that Inidra Gandhi can help East Pakistan to liberate themselves from West Pakistan and form Bangladesh why shouldn't they help Kashmir liberate from India even though Kashmir is a disputed territory fromthe day of Independence whereas East Pakistan was not disputed and was part of Pakistan for more than 15 years.

Sutradhir (Admin) your comments ...... since you started this thread....

[Freedom_Peace]

Originally posted by Freedom_Peace


You are the first Guy on this site who accepted that we(Indian) were involved directly in dividing Pakistan into two. Lot of Pakistani's I run into these days and discuss the situation, they say the same damn thing that Inidra Gandhi can help East Pakistan to liberate themselves from West Pakistan and form Bangladesh why shouldn't they help Kashmir liberate from India even though Kashmir is a disputed territory fromthe day of Independence whereas East Pakistan was not disputed and was part of Pakistan for more than 15 years.

Sutradhir (Admin) your comments ...... since you started this thread....

[Freedom_Peace]

Originally posted by Freedom_Peace


You can also PM me .....

[echarcha]

in which today's birthday boy 'sober' had last contributed. Wondering where he is now?

Anyway, wishing him happy birthday!

[DesiBaba]

Originally posted by sober

At the time of wars countries will almost come to the stand still, because the attention of every body will be on the events taking place, at each moment. [Manpower hours loss.]


everything will come to a standstill..but only ONCE & FOR ALL..not every now & then in tha form of bomb balsts that blow up innocent people walkin on tha streetz

[DesiBaba]

Originally posted by padhu
Ok...to anaylze this scenario you have to split the above questions into various different thresholds.

1) If our key cities(bombay, delhi, bangalore, chennai) are destroyed in a strike will we be able to bear the cost of rebuilding them. Not to mention the toll on life itself. In a nuclear conflict, the death toll will 100% fatalities within a 40 mile radius and decreasig by 10% for every 10 miles. Not to forget the ill effects of radiation...these last typically for 4-5 generations. Are we ready for this.

2) If our key military installations are destroyed in a pre-emptive strike...will we be able to harness a second strike capability. Not to metion the loss of equipment along with various other factors.

3) Will we have the capability to thwart any internal uprising against our war with pakistan. There are many in India who will take this opportunity to sabotage a lot of our internal infrastructure, becuase of their mush mush towards pukistan.

4) In the event of war do we have enough of fuel supplies to support our troop movement in case of a conflict. I dont think pakis would have that problem thanx to their sleeping partner saudi arabia. India has no fuel reserves. Even if we win the war and tomorrow the gulf refuse to give us fuel then what. We will have to buy from US and Russia at almost twice the existing rate. Are we ready for that.



My answer to all of this is NO...WE ARE NOT READY FOR IT.



BUT

Life and dignity are not so cheap also that you lay on your bed and get an orgasm out of it. For twenty years we have seen the blood of our people go in vain. I say today we put that to rest. Lets give them everything that we got. I say to hell with those who say that we will go 50 years back in case of war. We are 50 years back anyways, so what the ****.

But if this time, we dont finish the job to the end...then i am sorry to say that 20 years downt he line we will have this same problem again.



In this world India has its friends and has its enemies...but gettign rid of this one ******* country should be the motto of every free society in the world.


aapkay charan kahan haiN boss :up:

[rationalthinker]

The main fallacy in our assumptions is that we are planning for a conventional war (spare the civilians,take pows etc..) Such wars are always costly--even the Americans cannot afford it.
The second, more imp. point is that the 'dirty' Pakis don't deserve such civilities.
The third ,most imp. point is that the Pakis are super vulnerable at both ends. In Kashmir we hold their jugular--water!The Pakis are fighting for Kashmir not for the Kashmiris, but to safeguard their water! Kashmir is damn imp. to the Yankees as it is virtually in the middle of Russia and China, and since the Pakis have been their most pliant ("LOYAL") allies, the yankees think that they will have unristricted access to Kashmir only if the Pakis rule over it--so their support to the Pakis over Kashmir. Anyway, that's a political matter.
The Pakis are equally vulnerable in Karachi. A few sorties by 'counter terrorists' and some mines in the placid waters of the Arabian sea will create chaos!
The Pakis send their convicts into India, and condone their crimes after 2-3 years stay in India. We can easily match those types of offers to our guys--with logistical and moral support from any of our 'agencies'.
If with these two major advantages, we can't take on the Pakis
cheaply, we don't deserve to be a sovreign, independent nation!