Bin Laden has several Nuclear Suitcases

[padhu]

Reproduced from the Jerusalem Report: October 25th, 1999


Master terrorist Ossame Bin Laden has acquired portable nuclear devices, a U.S.-based expert on non-conventional terror believes. The only real question now is whether BinLaden has "a few," as Russian intelligence seems to think, or "over 20," a figure cited by intelligence services of moderate Arab regimes. "There is no longer much doubt that Bin Laden has finally succeeded in his quest for nuclear ‘suitcase bombs," says Yossef Bodansky, head of the Congressional Task Force on Non-Conventional Terrorism in Washington. In a recent book, Bodansky reports that Bin Laden’s associates acquired the devices through Chechnya, paying the Chechens $30 million in cash and two tons of Afghan heroin, worth about $70 million in Afghanistan and about 10 times that on the street in Western cities.

Bodansky’s statements corroborate 1998 testimony by former Russian security chief Alexander Lebed to the U.S. House of Representatives. Lebed said that 43 nuclear suitcases from the former Soviet arsenal, developed for the KGB in the 1970s, have vanished since the collapse of the former Soviet Union a decade ago. Lebed said one person could detonate such a bomb by himself, and kill 100,000 people.

Among the others who recognize the threat is Ben Venzke, director of Tempest Publishing. The U.S. firm plans to release a detailed technical handbook on dealing with nuclear terror next year. The danger, says Venzke, is quite real ? and is not confined to stolen Russian weapons. "It is really quite simple," he says, "to acquire radioactive material and combine it with an explosive or so-called dirty device." Yael Haran


US Nuclear retaliation.... extract.


US Nuclear Doctrine, Nonstate Actors, and WMD Under US nuclear doctrine, the 20 August 1998 attacks on Afghanistan and Sudan could have been carried out with nuclear weapons. US doctrine allows strikes against terrorist groups armed with weapons of mass destruction (WMD). In Doctrine for Joint Theater Nuclear Operation, a Joint Chiefs of Staff publication, "likely targets" for US nuclear weapons include "nonstate actors (facilities and operation centers) that possess WMD". "Nonstate actors" refers to terrorist organizations like the one US officials claim is headed by Osama bin Laden. At the same time, statements from Pentagon officials are openly contradictory. In response to a media query on the above US doctrine, a Department of Defense spokesperson said the policy referred to situations "in which the U.S., or allies or our forces have been attacked with chemical or biological weapons." However, even that statement included a caveat, that the US "does not rule out in advance any capability available to us." As US nuclear doctrine has evolved since the end of the Cold War, it has increasingly focused on the perceived threat of weapons of mass destruction, including arsenals held by "nonstate actors". As the following documents demonstrate, however, this policy is ineffective, contradictory, and actually increases the risk of further nuclear proliferation. * Nuclear Weapons Against Terrorism, by Hans M. Kristensen, Research Associate, Nautilus Institute, 28 August 1998. Highlights the contradictions in US policy. * US Targets Nuclear Weapons at "Nonstate Actors", BASIC Press Release,


Rising racism: "A Plague" (Barak)

Following the rise of Joerg Haider's anti-foreigner Freedom Party in Austria's parliamentary election, many Israeli leaders, including Prime Minister Ehud Barak have warned of the "spread of the neo-Nazi and fascist plague". "The rise of the extreme right must set off alarm bells among all the people of the free world who still recall the horrors of the Second World War," Prime Minister Ehud Barak said in a statement issued by his office. Haider's party surged to second place in the weekend election with just over 27 percent of votes, up from 22 percent in 1995, as Austria lurched to the right. "The prime minister voiced serious concern over the results of the Austrian election," the Israeli statement said. "The prime minister called on all enlightened forces in the world to band together in a common effort to block the spread of the neo-Nazi and fascist plague." Haider, a 49-year-old populist, once praised Adolf Hitler's employment policies and termed Waffen SS veterans "decent men of character". His party's showing was front page news on Monday in Israel, home to an estimated 250,000 survivors of the Holocaust. (Reuters)


Ehud Barak on Israel's Regional Profile: Extracts from the Jerusalem Post: October 1st, 1999


"We face three threatening circles. The closest is the terrorism circle within us and on our borders. After that, there is the circle of increasing regional conventional weapons. Finally, there is the circle of increasing regional non-conventional weapons. Our influence on the largest circle is limited, and, to some extent, it exists without any relation to us. Take Iran for example: when Iran looks east, it sees nuclear powers all the way to Irkutzk. Pakistan is nuclear, China is nuclear, India is nuclear, North Korea is nuclear. This is the scene they see and we don't have a major part in it. At the same time, we don't have a strategic interest in pushing ourselves as the symbolic and apocalyptic pole in the fight between good and evil. And by the way, Iran also looks westward and sees Saddam Hussein trying to develop nuclear power. So therefore, we need to put the situation into perspective. We have to push in the right direction, but this should not blind us to the needs in our own backyard, over which we can have an influence. In my mind there is a clear conclusion here: from our position of strength and confidence, within this window of opportunity, within this tough neighborhood, we can diffuse the immediate mines of the conflict, which are also those things that affect us on a day-to-day basis. Also, in a more long-term context, this will help to diffuse the long-standing base of belligerency towards Israel."

[GpeL]

Phadu bhai.. as your name suggests.. phaad diyaa bhai... phaad diyaaa..

[echarcha]

Nice to have you here.

And others... thsoe who were just barfing on this thread... your derailing posts have been deleted !:o

[mj007]

Originally posted by echarcha
Nice to have you here.

And others... thsoe who were just barfing on this thread... your derailing posts have been deleted !:o

This is no good....es ki suruwat Gpel ne hi ki ...this is unfair

[Dhurandhar Bhat]

Originally posted by mj007


This is no good....es ki suruwat Gpel ne hi ki ...this is unfair

chupkar ..bado se badtameez..

well nice work both padu and sutroo.....

this gpel though is panicky.....

anyway what I was saying right from day one that links between..mossad,sollog and bajrang dal shall be investigated....but my threads are systematically deleted....even my warnings which can save your lives are ignored.....
Under such circumstances just leave me alone.....all my posts shall be very meticulously interpreted..and not by some whimsical moron like gpel........

in short there is a serious threat to the east coast.....bay area is tentatively safer.....gpel going to germany is a better idea..since neo-nazis there are supporting Al-Qaeda...

and mj007 tu abhi apni pungi mat baja....Usama has stolen the limelite from thackrey.....:up:

[Shringarey]

Just look at OBL's stmnt against US. He talks of Palestine, Iraq and Hiroshima. Why reference to Hiroshima?? Paving way for future attacks???

Shring

[Dhurandhar Bhat]

Originally posted by Shringarey
Just look at OBL's stmnt against US. He talks of Palestine, Iraq and Hiroshima. Why reference to Hiroshima?? Paving way for future attacks???

Shring

its payback time.....
it looks like shring supports nuking SUSA....

[GpeL]

Phadu ustaad, your PM is full..

[Rahul]

that Osama Bin Lund waiting for what..........why dont he just do it ;)

I know if those suitcase are in US, that definately must be with the help of some Pakies.

[Shringarey]

dhurander,

what is susa??

[padhu]

this picture is of a US Suitcase bomb. The russian variety can also be of the same size and dimension.

[brahmchari]

Its very disturbing news. Weapons of mass destruction in the hands of Madmen. What is the method by which these suitcases can be detected to prevent any damage ? Any Idea Padhu?

[dhurandhar]

simple....USA just needs to warn Moslems that if a nuclear device explodes due to terrorism....USA would unleash nukes on Mecca....period. Let Moslems prevent the dirt of their community from wreaking havoc

[Freedom_Peace]

No WMD in Iraq, source claims


Number 10 will not comment on the report
No weapons of mass destruction have been found in Iraq by the group looking for them, according to a Bush administration source who has spoken to the BBC.
This will be the conclusion of the Iraq Survey Group's interim report, the source told the presenter of BBC television's Daily Politics show, Andrew Neil.

Downing Street branded the story "speculation about an unfinished draft of an interim report".

Mr Neil said the draft report - which the source said is due to be published next month - concludes it is highly unlikely that weapons of mass destruction were shipped out of the country to places like Syria before the US-led war on Iraq.

The bottom line is that the team has found no weapons of mass destruction

Andrew Neil
Daily Politics


Analysis: High stakes for Blair

It will also claim Saddam Hussein mounted a huge programme to deceive and hinder the work of UN weapons inspectors, he said.

Mr Neil said, according to the source, the report will say its inspectors have not even unearthed "minute amounts of nuclear, chemical or biological weapons material".

They have also not uncovered any laboratories involved in deploying weapons of mass destruction and no delivery systems for the weapons.

But, Mr Neil added, the report would publish computer programmes, files, pictures and paperwork which it says shows that Saddam Hussein's regime was attempting to develop a weapons of mass destruction programme.

CIA spokesman Bill Harlow told the Reuters news agency he expected the report would "reach no firm conclusions, nor will it rule anything in or out".

Reuters also reported a senior US official saying the Iraq Survey Group (ISG) was expected to report finding "dcoumentary evidence" that Iraq had chemical and biological weapons programmes.

"Whether they will find or disclose anything on the weapons themselves, I doubt," said the official.

'Savage blow'

UK Foreign Secretary Jack Straw said: "This is speculation on an as yet unpublished report.

"I await the report eagerly from Mr Kay (head of the survey group), as does the international community."

Mr Straw argued the whole international community had agreed Iraq's weapons programmes had posed - the issue had been what to do about it.


Mr Neil said the report is being finalised and could undergo changes
People did not need the ISG report for evidence of that threat, he said. It was already shown in volumes of reports from UN inspectors.

A Number 10 spokesman said "we don't have this text", but asked if the prime minister had seem the report, remarked: "We are not going into details of process."

Mr Neil, a former editor of the Sunday Times, stressed the Daily Politics had not seen the draft report, and was reporting what a single source had said its findings were likely to be.


He said the report was still to be finalised and could undergo some changes, but the source had been told the content of some key passages which are not expected to be substantively altered.

Former Conservative cabinet minister Michael Portillo said if these details of the report were true, it would be a "savage blow" to the prime minister.

'Fake facilities'

The inspectors have uncovered no evidence that any weapons were actually built in the immediate years before the war, the leak of the report suggests.

It is alleged that Saddam's programme of deception involved fake facilities and infrastructure to deceive and hinder the work of UN weapons inspectors.

The group may well conclude that Iraq had an elaborate and secret effort to maintain elements of its weapons programmes - in 'suspended animation' if you like

Jonathan Marcus
BBC defence correspondent


Read his full analysis on search

Documents have been uncovered showing weapons facilities were concealed as commercial buildings, the report is likely to say.

The Iraq Survey Group took over the job of finding WMD from the US military in June.

The survey group, led by David Kay, a former UN weapons inspector and now a special adviser to the CIA, is a largely US operation, although it includes some British and Australian staff.

Its 1,400 personnel are made up of scientists, military and intelligence experts and its work is shrouded in secrecy.

Its focus is intelligence, using documents and interviews with Iraqi scientists to build up a picture of the secret world of Iraq's weapons programmes.

The survey group has been under a good deal of pressure to prove the Bush administration's case that Iraq's weapons posed a significant threat.

Gary Samor, of the International Institute for Strategic Studies in London, recently told the BBC that UN inspection teams should have been sent back into Iraq as there would be much scepticism about the ISG's findings.

[padhu]

FP yaar...the WMD that Bush spoke about in Iraq have turned out to be weapons of mass disappearence. We all knew that was bull. If you look closely there is no difference between us and desi junta. In our country the politicains use religion to get mass approval and in the US, their politicains use national security and 9/11 to get mass approval. In the end it is still politics and it stinks pretty bad.

[echarcha]

to one thing, though I like President Bush and Republican party.

I was all for Iraq War and still think that it was the right thing to do. Yes Saddam was an evil dictator who tortured his people and did so many inhumane things, especially towards Kurds by gassing them in 1989, etc.

I understand that President Bush did a great job of handling the war and showing UN its place and snubbing the pathetic French and all that. I will applaud for all that.

Yet today people and I are questioning about WMD. I can understand that because WMD is a scary thing. I too would be worried. 9/11 was scary because ordinary planes turned into missiles. Imagine what a WMD in the form of a suitcase bomb can do.

So yes my confession is that - rather my change of opinion is that Iraq war was necessary but pushing the WMD was a bit too much.

[Big-G]

Originally posted by echarcha
a great job of handling the war and showing UN its place

So what is the UN's right place, in your opinion?

[DesiBaba]

Originally posted by echarcha


I understand that President Bush did a great job of handling the war and showing UN its place and snubbing the pathetic French and all that. I will applaud for all that.

dude,wha if bush bringz tha war to our doors quotin tha fact that we did not co-operate with him by not sending our trropz where he wanted ta?? UN would obviously intervene,..but again he would snub UN juz like how u said he did and blast our country..would that be right?

btw,where r tha WMDs in Iraq..??

[Freedom_Peace]

Originally posted by Big-G
So what is the UN's right place, in your opinion?

Dint he go to UN yesterday with a hat in his HAND :D:D:D

[Freedom_Peace]

Originally posted by dhurandhar
simple....USA just needs to warn Moslems that if a nuclear device explodes due to terrorism....USA would unleash nukes on Mecca....period. Let Moslems prevent the dirt of their community from wreaking havoc

Do you think anyone who has the power to do so has guts to make that statement...
Padhu as the name suggests is ..:D:D:D: you need some help some Psch treatment if you believe in all what is said :D:D:D Rumsfeld siad i know where the WMD are in Iraq remember .... :D:D:D yeha har shak pe Padhu baintan hai

[padhu]

FP bahi mere........ Rumsfield to anadi ke mafik baat karta hai, maanta hu, isleye to bola ki wmd ka meaning "Weapons of Mass Disappearence" tha.

Let me clear the doubts here for all the people not clear on this issue. This whole war and the strategy was flawed right from the beginning.

First of all the US knew there were no WMD in Iraq. Reason being, that if there were WMD in Iraq, the US would not have sent the current infrastructure and regiments to fight in that country. The current forces deployed were just not enough to fight a country which had WMD.


Secondly, the speech that Bush gave to the state of union address about Iraq's use of WMD and its threat to the US. If Iraq even had an iota of WMD, it lacked the means of delivering a WMD to the US Shore. Therefore that excuse given by Bush was also a big bull.


Third, the US based on its success in Afghanistan thought that once Saddam's tirade was removed, people would come to the streets, rejoice and within two weeks everything would be hunky dory and most of the US troops will go back. Iraq has now become the administrations nemesis. It did not forsee these problems and therefore they are at the misery since they just did not plan for the reconstruction efforts. They realized that they would have a free hand, do what they want and everyone will be cool. That is not so cool anymore.

A few weeks back before the Bush-Vajpayee meeting, India did send 4 people from our army to get a first hand view of the situation in Iraq and also becuase the US realizes that India has always had a good relation with Iraq and hence they would be easily accepted. But after talking to some locals our generals have realized one core underlying feeling and i.e "Wether India or no India, Whether muslim country or no", the Iraqis dont want anyone to rule them. So, in this situation, i will find it getting increasingly difficult for the US to sustain temselves there in the long run. Its a ditch the US has dug for themselves and a ditch they will have to fill on their own.

I huess right now France, Germany and Russia will be laughing their butts off at us. Lets face it, they were right and what they still say is true.

[DesiBaba]

Originally posted by padhu

First of all the US knew there were no WMD in Iraq. Reason being, that if there were WMD in Iraq, the US would not have sent the current infrastructure and regiments to fight in that country. The current forces deployed were just not enough to fight a country which had WMD.




BOSS padhu,aaj maiN terey ko maan gaya :up:
oi meanobviously i neva doubted ur reasonin,but this point highlights tha fact that u know wha u talkin bout..

saala US gandu they know N.Korea has WMD.. to jao ganduon,udhar jao na :rolleyes: fukk US labelled it as a "regional" problem over thurr and ignored it :D:D fukkin aholes...

[padhu]

Now that Turkey is going to send troops to Iraq it is going to be fun to watch where they will be stationed. Obviously, US will not station the Turkish troops in Kurdish territory as the two dont get along. They cant station Turkish troops to the north becuase of the sunni-shia differences. So the US will have to put them in the middle of Iraq somewhere near Baghdad. But the problem that the US is facing is more towards the north and south of Iraq, so the US/Brit forces will still have to be in those areas alone, which is not helping US troops right now. It is not a win-win situation for us right now.

[padhu]

One of my neighbours is ex us army covert ops and he is of the fealing that this administration has litteraly brought war to our doorstep. We both believe that yes Saddam and his ahole sons had togo, but at what cost. We have ruined our international image as we are now portrayed as big bullies, we have no credibility left and worse we cant even leave from that country as that would be the end of this administration. Its ok for Bush to appoint Condoleza Rice as incharge of the Iraq reconstruction efforts but that has come a bit too late. The damage is done and our soldiers are falling every day, thanks to a screwed up vendetta to finish a fathers unfinished job.

[padhu]

Originally posted by padhu
Now that Turkey is going to send troops to Iraq it is going to be fun to watch where they will be stationed. Obviously, US will not station the Turkish troops in Kurdish territory as the two dont get along. They cant station Turkish troops to the north becuase of the sunni-shia differences. So the US will have to put them in the middle of Iraq somewhere near Baghdad. But the problem that the US is facing is more towards the north and south of Iraq, so the US/Brit forces will still have to be in those areas alone, which is not helping US troops right now. It is not a win-win situation for us right now.

He he he... i knew that Turkey would be in fix by accepting to send troops to Iraq. Apun ki jabaan kamaal ki hai.





WASHINGTON, Nov. 7 The government of Turkey, reversing a recent decision that had sparked anger at home and alarm in Iraq (news - web sites), said today that it would not send troops across the border in support of the American campaign in Iraq.


Foreign Minister Abdullah Gul told Secretary of State Colin L. Powell of the decision in a telephone conversation Thursday night, the Turkish Foreign Ministry said in a statement from Ankara.


"After necessary assessments, Foreign Minister Gul told Mr. Powell that our government would reconsider its request to send troops to Iraq," the statement said.


The announcement from Ankara reversed a position taken last month and affirmed just three days ago, when Turkey's ambassador to the United States, O. Faruk Logoglu, said his country's offer to send troops to Iraq was "still alive, very much alive."


The announcement from Ankara is something of a setback for President Bush (news - web sites), who has been trying to convince a number of Muslim nations to send troops to Iraq to ease the burden on the American military and to change the image of the occupation from that of a solely Western effort to one that is multiethnic as well as multinational.


For its part, Turkey has been trying to repair relations with the Bush administration in the wake of its refusal to allow American troops to use Turkey as a base for the invasion of Iraq last spring.


But Ankara's recent offer to send up to 10,000 troops proved widely unpopular inside Turkey and was unanimously opposed, as well, by the 25-member Iraqi Governing Council created under the auspices of the American-led occupation of Iraq.


On Tuesday, Mr. Logoglu acknowledged that Ankara had taken note of the forceful opposition of some members of the Iraqi Governing Council, who had expressed fear that a deployment of Turkish troops inside Iraq could both incite ethnic disputes and encourage Turkish influence over its southern neighbor. Opposition has been especially fierce from Kurdish leaders in northern Iraq, where Kurdish-Turkish tensions have deep historical roots.


Turkey also remains anxious about separatist feelings among the Kurdish population on its side of the border, as well. So it was no surprise that the issue of deploying troops in Iraq had become a volatile political issue within Turkey.


Despite the reversal on troop deployment, the statement from Ankara asserted that Mr. Powell and Mr. Gul nevertheless "had reached a consensus on working together and with the Iraqi people" to establish a free and stable Iraq.

[DesiBaba]

ya r in tha wrong proffesion n1gga..ya shoul've been a defence analyst or sumin lyke tha.. :D

[tantric_yogi]

This is a shocking news. Nuclear weapons in the hands of madman.

Padhuji with all due respects and acknowledging your intelligence and expertise ... knowing everything that we all do ... how can you still be critical of President Bush and his efforts?

Terrorists are not fighting a fair war. Terrorists brought war to american doorstep. What did you expect President Bush and his team to do?

I think President Bush is a brave man. Needs lot of courage to go in and catch the bull by horns. I hope American public will elect him to 2nd term so he can finish what he has started. President Bush can be to terrorism what President Reagan was to communism during cold war years.

Why are most Indians not supportive of President Bush or do they expect him to sit home like our own Indian prime minister and just issue empty threats?

I just hope and pray that on some level US, India and Israel are co-operating with each other to fight this evil.

[padhu]

Originally posted by tantric_yogi
This is a shocking news. Nuclear weapons in the hands of madman.

Padhuji with all due respects and acknowledging your intelligence and expertise ... knowing everything that we all do ... how can you still be critical of President Bush and his efforts?

Terrorists are not fighting a fair war. Terrorists brought war to american doorstep. What did you expect President Bush and his team to do?

I think President Bush is a brave man. Needs lot of courage to go in and catch the bull by horns. I hope American public will elect him to 2nd term so he can finish what he has started. President Bush can be to terrorism what President Reagan was to communism during cold war years.

Why are most Indians not supportive of President Bush or do they expect him to sit home like our own Indian prime minister and just issue empty threats?

I just hope and pray that on some level US, India and Israel are co-operating with each other to fight this evil.


Tantu....its not a question of why Indians are not supportive of Bush but basically who is supporting bush?

I and millions would like to put his "I am God" attitude away for good by not electing him again.

Fine..he had to attack Afghanistan, cool, you did it , drove the taliban out and all, now you get out. Let the people of Afghanistan rule their country.

But Iraq was a totally baseless excuse to attack that country. Fine, Iraq had a dictator, so what, there are many countries who have dictators, some who are an even greater risk to us than Iraq, eg Noth Korea. Yet, he lied to the people about Iraq's WMD, he lied to the public about Iraq and the Al Quaida link which later on he, and his henchmen took back. Now, he is doing an even greater attrocity by issuing ID cards to the iraqi people to identify from which region they are. So, basically in your own country you are being segregated and diffrenciated by an outsider. I guess thats pretty cool.

And tantu, so far you are only seeing the number of US Soldiers dead, have you turned to see how many Iraqi and Afghani civilians might have been killed. In the shock and awe campaings the US dumped over 40 tons of bombs and missles, those landed somewhere right, who do you think faced those bombs and missiles. Why do you think there is ban on media on showing images of the dead, what is Bush scared of, that the public will go against him when they see the real picture.

If given Bush a free hand and lect him again would mean him going and attacking iran and syria. No president in the history of US opened up so many war fronts in such a short time as this moron has done.

And as for the teeorists bringing the war to Amrica's doorstep, it is actually the other way round. We are now even more vulnerable and in a dangerous situation than before.

As for Bin Laden the nukes. Trust me if he had them, he would have used it already. Not necessarily in the US but anywhere just to prove his might.

India, Isreal and US are cooperating together to fight terrorism but as long as breeding grounds like pakistan are given a free hand by the Bush administration, this menace will be far from over.