If America were to attack India

[viking]

Would we stand a chance?. Do we have weaponry to fight America? Or can America flatten us too the same way that they flattened Iraq and Afghanistan?.:eek:

This is scary as America is now being a major bully, will our turn come too..considering the fact that it's new found ally Pakistan has considerable influence on it?

[Netra]

Viking, Pak was always an ally of the US. So that's nothing new.

But like you say, if USA attacked India, I don't think we would stand a chance by ourselves. However if Russia and China came to our help, we could put up a fight.

What I don't see is why the US would attack India. Even the big bully needs a reason for an attack and somehow I can't imagine Indians carrying out terrorist attacks against the US or any other country.

[viking]

Well it was just a thought...we should pump in newer weapons and increase our air power and emphasise on indegeneous manufacturing of weaponry as soon as possible!.

[GpeL]

as much as pak is an ally to USA, USA will never attack india.. they will get F'd royally from all quarters including from their own citizens.. Ofcourse, russia will step in may be even china.. but anyway the chances of any such thing happening is as slim as being hit by a lighting exactly when enduring a shark attack while in your bath tub bathing with pam anderson lee on a february 29th at 2:00 am in the morning..

so putting all resources to produce more and more arms is get us nothing more than surplus of arms that will never be used.

Originally posted by Netra
What I don't see is why the US would attack India. Even the big bully needs a reason for an attack and somehow I can't imagine Indians carrying out terrorist attacks against the US or any other country.

If defending oneself against terrorism is being a bully then I think Indians have never been a bully ever. But, I call defending oneself as an act of bravery and crying and asking othres to help while hiding behind secularism is an act of cowardice.

USA is made of brave people who fight against the evil doers. This is not being a bully, but a defender of peace.:up:

[pathik]

No matter how we modernise army etc, we stand no chance against America. For that matter, except Europe and maybe Russia, nobody can, not even China. Only fools like Saddam and Omar may have such dreams. As Netra said, the best we can do is to involve a country like Russia (not China, they are not trustworthy) to "shield" us, i.e. if they agree.

But rest assured, US will not attack India because we are not known as a rogue state. And if they really want to screw us, they'll just let loose Pakistan. Those losers have nothing to lose, but they can drag us down to the same hell as they are in themselves!

[Netra]

USA is made of brave people who fight against the evil doers. This is not being a bully, but a defender of peace.

That's exactly how his chamchas defend the class bully.;)

[brahmchari]

No chance.

[brahmchari]

Originally posted by Netra


That's exactly how his chamchas defend the class bully.;)

:D :D :D :D :D

[GpeL]

Originally posted by eNRI


USA is made of brave people who fight against the evil doers.



And what about creating these evil does in the first place? Saddam, OBL and many others were the babies created by USA eNRI.. not that I condone what these evil doers do.. but they do not learn easily do they? In spite of all the develpments they are just like a retard with all technology and toys.. is it not?

Kisi ne sahi kahaa hai..

Koyle ki dalaali me haath to kaalaa hoga hi..

:up: (eNRI.. that thumb sticking up is my middle finger actually).

Originally posted by Netra


That's exactly how his chamchas defend the class bully.;)

No personal attacks please .... you have insulted my country by calling it a bully. I have every right to defend its image.

Originally posted by GpeL
And what about creating these evil does in the first place? Saddam, OBL and many others were the babies created by USA eNRI.. not that I condone what these evil doers do.. but they do not learn easily do they? In spite of all the develpments they are just like a retard with all technology and toys.. is it not?

Kisi ne sahi kahaa hai..

Koyle ki dalaali me haath to kaalaa hoga hi..

:up: (eNRI.. that thumb sticking up is my middle finger actually).

Times change and one has to move with time. USA helped OBL in their fight against Russia. When Russians left, USA removed the backing too. OBL is now a rabid dog - who was once a faithful but now bites the country that once gave him food. As expected, the rabid dog will be killed.

:middlefinger: to GpeL

[GpeL]

Originally posted by eNRI


Times change and one has to move with time. USA helped OBL in their fight against Russia. When Russians left, USA removed the backing too. OBL is now a rabid dog - who was once a faithful but now bites the country that once gave him food. As expected, the rabid dog will be killed.

:middlefinger: to GpeL


Took you so long to come up with that eNRI? I thought you were a hell of a lot smarter and faster than that.. oh well busy day eh?.. we will never agree but then I am not the only one, am I?

Infact, agreement it is detrimental to a discussion. Kills it.

Afghanistan will very soon be under US occupation and whoever heads the government will dance to the US tunes. And you don't know how much untaped petroleum is there in Afghanistan. The opium farmers of Afghanistan will be turned into foremans working on US owned wells.

US gets petrol, Terrosists wiped out, Afghanistan prospers - we all win!

God Bless America.

[MehtaRahulC]

remember Enron?

So US is unlikely to attack India. If US wants India to take some action, bush can bribe Indian PM etc and these buggers wd gladly do it So no need for war.

US wants Kashmir to become INDEPENDENT nation. Once it is independent nation, it wd be surrounded by hostile countries India, Pak, Chaina etc. So Kashmir wd beg US to setup US militray base. That wd improve US's position in Asia.

Now US wd NOT wage a war against India. but by creating pressure and negative propaganda, and finally by bribing our Ministers/journalists, it will make India conduct a referendum in Kashmir. And obviously, Kashmir will ask for idependece (Jammu, Ladakh may stay, but Valley will go).

So why wd US fight when leaders on our side are willing to sell out?

-Rahul Mehta

[GpeL]

Guru MRC..kaunsa brand hai bhai? Bahut strong maal hai lagtaa hai.. just curious what do you do? sniff it,smoke it ki inject karna padtaa hai? Damn.. must feel good eh?

[MehtaRahulC]

1)Reliance refineries: If multinationals stop supplying parts, the refinery will be down in 6 month

2)AT&T provides switches to Birla-ATT, a cell phone service. The folks are dependent on liecence renewals of the software provided by ATT. So if ATT doesnt renew the licence, service wd be in jeopardy

3)Much of the crude-oil comes from Arab countries. So in Indo-US war, obviously Pak, Arab nations etc wd side with US. So no petrol.

4)India's trade is balance is negative. We have enuf balance, but still if we dont get IMF/WB loans for 1 year, the forex situation wd be in jeopardy.

In short, we are SO SO much dependent on US, that if bush says something against India's interest, Vajpayee would not sit idle and listen, but he wd loudly yell back saying "YES SIR".

So there wd be no war.

Solution? Strengthen out economy.
How? well, .....forget it.

-Rahul Mehta

[GpeL]

Yaar bol naa.. pleeeeeeeeeease!!!! Let me guess ok

mescaline?

[MehtaRahulC]

Originally posted by GpeL
Guru MRC..kaunsa brand hai bhai? Bahut strong maal hai lagtaa hai.. just curious what do you do? sniff it,smoke it ki inject karna padtaa hai? Damn.. must feel good eh?

down right "Reality" brand.

[ Aside --- NOTHING TO DO WITH INDO-US war.

If u read history, ignore relegion/caste/personal-attack crap, u will see that all fights were for
1)money (robberies)
2)natural resources (iron, coal, crude oil)
3)building military bases for 1 and 2.

eg why didnt US replace Saddam with an democratic govt? If US kicks out Saddam, puts a democratic govt, Kuwait/Saudi will no longer be afraid of Iraq and wd ask US-troops to leave. So u c why Bush Daddy, Clinton, Bush Beta all leave Saddam intact?

So Q)does US keep Saddam alive?
Ans) To retain bases (reason-3) in Kauwait/Saudi to control oil. (reason-2)]

Samjo GpeL bhai. Ankhein kholo. Varna Hindustan ko US ki aisee GpeL padegi ki 100 tikade ho jayenge.

-Rahul Mehta

[MehtaRahulC]

Originally posted by GpeL
Yaar bol naa.. pleeeeeeeeeease!!!! Let me guess ok

mescaline?

what is mescaline?

-Rahul Mehta

[Big-G]

Originally posted by Netra


That's exactly how his chamchas defend the class bully.;)

:D :D

Kya lee hai baap.... :D

About the main topic... India doesn't stand a chance. Not today not ten years from now.

Theoretically, if India were to increase it's rate of development to double of what it is today, and USA abosolutely stops it's development, then it will take India atleast 50 more years to reach a position where it can challenge US.

If Russia and China join in, it won't be long before the war enters the nuclear era, and then the only survivors on earth will the pygmies and bushmen of Africa.

[GpeL]

Gotta give it to ya pal.. bahut hi sportive aadmi hain aap!! :up:

[GpeL]

Originally posted by MehtaRahulC


what is mescaline?

-Rahul Mehta

http://www.mescaline.com/synth/

EXTENSIONS AND COMMENTARY: Mescaline is one of the oldest psychedelics known to man. It is the major active component of the small dumpling cactus known as Peyote. It grows wild in the Southwestern United States and in Northern Mexico, and has been used as an intimate component of a number of religious traditions amongst the native Indians of these areas. The cactus has the botanical name of Lophophora williamsii or Anhalonium lewinii and is immediately recognizable by its small round shape and the appearance of tufts of soft fuzz in place of the more conventional spines. The dried plant material has been classically used with anywhere from a few to a couple of dozen of the hard tops, called buttons, being consumed in the course of a ceremony.

In short it gives you hallucinations.

[MehtaRahulC]

russia is now US's pal. Dont expect russia to take sides of India anymore. why should it? previously russia was in game of becoming no. 1. Now it is not (for the time being). so russia doesnt need india anymore.

And china wd rather side with US in destroying India.

So if US disagrees with India (or starts a war), India will be all alone.

Pak, Bngladesh --- wd actively support US. Both provide military help against India
China - support US
Russia -- keep mum
Nepal -- keep mum
Sri Lanka -- Support US
Europe - side with US
Africa -- do they matter?
Arab world -- side with US
non Arab Muslim countries (Indonesia etc) -- side with Arab, Pal so side with US.

YES! Bhutan will side with India.

U will see soon. Not war, but conflict between US and India for referndum on Kashmir.

-Rahul Mehta

[MehtaRahulC]

Originally posted by GpeL
http://www.mescaline.com/synth/

EXTENSIONS AND COMMENTARY: Mescaline is one of the oldest psychedelics known to man.

nahi bhai

reality gives enuf nasha. I dont this crap

-Rahul Mehta

[viking]

Well I think India does not even stand a chance with Pakistan. India has no friends as no country respects India because India is a lame duck country. It does not resort to military action even to defend it's own interests so how can other countries depend on it!.

India can be pushed over by any country. To India concepts such as Secularism and Non violence are higher on it's priority list than it's international image.

I think we can't blame the US to have ignored such a weak country like India.

We should wake up at least now and show that we have the balls to shake the shit outta of our neighbours if the time comes. But alas our secularism prevents us from hurting the sentiments of the minorities and stops us from destroying Pakistan.

Look at Israel on the contrary after the assasination of it's tourism minister it has moved it's tanks into Palistinian territory inspite of American pressure to maintain restraint.

As far as India is concerned,it cannot even bully Bangladesh:down:

[MehtaRahulC]

I agree that India is weak country

But it is stronger than Pak and BanglaD is no match. Pak is benefited by the fact that it often manages to get support of Muslim countries and rich Arab countries.

And India is weak, NOT becuz of secularism etc, but due to lack of ... well forget it. Will tell it to those who want to remove India's weakness.

-Rahul Mehta

[viking]

Originally posted by MehtaRahulC
I agree that India is weak country

But it is stronger than Pak and BanglaD is no match. Pak is benefited by the fact that it often manages to get support of Muslim countries and rich Arab countries.


The strength has to be proved, after India separated Bangladesh from Pakistan we have never shown anything that would qualify us to be a regional power, the way some of us like India to be called.

The Bangladeshi border guards killed our BSF jawans in cold blood recently. We did not do anything. A self respecting country would have bombed their camps in order to give out a message loud and clear "Dont mess with us". But no we resorted to peaceful means of not doing anything.

The new Bangladeshi leader is a hardline Islamist and we can be assured to have an enemy on our eastern front too!

[MehtaRahulC]

Originally posted by viking
The strength has to be proved, ...
The Bangladeshi border guards killed our BSF jawans in cold blood recently. ....

Pak is weaker and thats why it lost 3 wars.

Then why cant India bomb camps in Pak? the fact that almost ALL Arab countries and even US/China arte anti-India is the reason why India cant bomb camps in Pak/BD. If India does that, India wd end up providing an excuse for Pak to attack India as self defence.

In an Indo-Pak war,
1)if Arab countries gives cash to Pak AND
2)if China gives extensive arms etc help to Pak AND
3)if and Arab stop oil supply AND
4)if IMF/WB (US's rubber stamp agencies) stop giving loans

then India will loose.

So India > Pak
But Pak + (ArabHelp + ChinaHelp) > India - IMF

Today situation is that India is trapped. It is very sad and bad.

But eCharcha.com is there for rescue. So dont worry be happy

-Rahul Mehta

Originally posted by viking
Well I think India does not even stand a chance with Pakistan. India has no friends as no country respects India because India is a lame duck country. It does not resort to military action even to defend it's own interests so how can other countries depend on it!.

India can be pushed over by any country. To India concepts such as Secularism and Non violence are higher on it's priority list than it's international image.

I think we can't blame the US to have ignored such a weak country like India.

We should wake up at least now and show that we have the balls to shake the shit outta of our neighbours if the time comes. But alas our secularism prevents us from hurting the sentiments of the minorities and stops us from destroying Pakistan.

Look at Israel on the contrary after the assasination of it's tourism minister it has moved it's tanks into Palistinian territory inspite of American pressure to maintain restraint.

As far as India is concerned,it cannot even bully Bangladesh:down:

Very true viking. My thoughts exactly. :up:

Look at USA. It was attacked by terrorism and the country is united to fight and finish them. If this had happened in India, its government would be blaming it on neighbors and washing its hands off responsibility. Life is cheap in India. People die all the time. Nobody cares.

Not just on terrorism, India has been weak on handling relations with other countries including the US.

[Netra]

Just a question eNRI. When USA was attacked, USA retaliated immediately. But they keep on telling India to show restraint. Why? Why don't they practise what they preach?

Originally posted by Netra
Just a question eNRI. When USA was attacked, USA retaliated immediately. But they keep on telling India to show restraint. Why? Why don't they practise what they preach?

USA did what it had to do. USA tells India, what USA wants India to do. But, India doesn't have to do what USA tells it to do, if they don't want to.

This is a universal truth (Iam surprised that you are so naive at this age). You preach what you want others to do and you practice what you want yourself to do. Simple, ain't it?:up:

[Netra]

Iam surprised that you are so naive at this age

That's the problem yaar. Age is growing, akkal waisi ki waisi.

[pathik]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by MehtaRahulC
[B]russia is now US's pal. Dont expect russia to take sides of India anymore. why should it? previously russia was in game of becoming no. 1. Now it is not (for the time being). so russia doesnt need india anymore.

And china wd rather side with US in destroying India.

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Well.......you maybe right, i'm not so sure. Actually most russians I've met still seem to have some sort of superpower hangover, they just can't digest US bigboy antics. That's why I have a faint hope they might do something, at least make a lot of noise, if the US does attack India.

And you know what? Nobody really becomes alone in the world! Even Nazi Germany or Saddah HUssain (not to speak of OBL) have friends and sympathisers who cry and yell for them. Militarily they don't count, but they certainly put a great deal of psycho pressure!

[MehtaRahulC]

Originally posted by Netra
When USA was attacked, USA retaliated immediately. But they keep on telling India to show restraint. Why?
Kargil. Not ONLY 1000s of pak terrorists/armymen had entered, but Pak was providing supplies while war was going on.

Now US said whatever it said. forget it. We sud NOT even think WHY US is hypocratic. That is a WRONG Q.

The RIGHT Q is : WHY did Vajpayee OBEY US like an obodient dog?

Try to appreciate 2 simple facts
1)If US/MNC stop shipping spare parts to Dhirubhai Ambani's refinery in Jamnagar, the refinery will stop within 6 months and DA will be a popper. So DA HAS TO ACT LIKE AN ANGENT OF US. DA has no option. Got it?
2)if ATT pulls plug, Birla-ATT (a cell phone company) will do down the drain and Birla wd loose big time.

So most Indian busimen are now dependent on US/MNCs. And Indian Ministers are puppets of these businessmen. So essentially, Indian rulers (Ministers + businessmen) are US puppets. wanna feel good? well, Pak rulers are 100% puppets. while Indian rulers are only 50% puppets.

So why did Vajpayee obey US?

1)Indian businessmen told Vajpayee to wave his tail
2)IBs told him so becuz IBs are scared of possibility of TOTAL ban of Indo-US, Indo-MNC trade.

Solution : Forget phoren-policy for next 10 years. Resign from UN. Make internal economy strong. With such a weak economy and low natural resources, strong phoren-policy is a daydream.

Now how to strengthen economy. well ..... forget it. Will talk some other time.

-Rahul Mehta

[MehtaRahulC]

Originally posted by pathik
Actually most russians I've met still seem to have some sort of superpower hangover, they just can't digest US bigboy antics. That's why I have a faint hope they might do something, at least make a lot of noise, if the US does attack India.
The citizens have hangover
The russian MPs and rulers are aware of the reality. Look at them. They cant even control mafias in Moscow and chechenya is worse than Kashmir (the rebels have occupied the land and run govt). So russi citizens might be living in past, but rulers are often practical. And besides, India has nothing to offer to russia.

Will russia make noise?

Well for that matter, when US attacks India, the univ students in US too will make noise. but these noises are from 9-5 mon-fri type professional noise-makers, who have taken classes lke "Protest 101" and "Advanced Protests". They make noise on EVERYTHING govt wd do and everything govt wudnt do. So russia's noise can be compared to noise of barkley sociology students.

Now we are OFFICIALLY all alone. Prepare for the day when UN (rubberstamp of US) asks India to conduct a referendum in Kashmir.

-Rahul Mehta

[ShivSainik]

Shame on you all. You openly underestimating our countires power. If US attacks us , how will they ?? AIR strikes ? or nukes ? or ground ?
If they attack us from ground, then indian soldires will **** them. Dont under estimate when you know nothing.

Dont forget we have nukes. US wont take risk to attack us. If they do there are million indians to fight for their country. We'll fight till our last breath.

You ****ING people who are under-estimating, stay back in US and support them. We dont want NAPUNSANKS like u to fight. We are enough for big bully (??). Ant me JAY satya ki hoti.

[GpeL]

Originally posted by ShivSainik
Shame on you all. You openly underestimating our countires power. If US attacks us , how will they ?? AIR strikes ? or nukes ? or ground ?
If they attack us from ground, then indian soldires will **** them. Dont under estimate when you know nothing.

Dont forget we have nukes. US wont take risk to attack us. If they do there are million indians to fight for their country. We'll fight till our last breath.

You ****ING people who are under-estimating, stay back in US and support them. We dont want NAPUNSANKS like u to fight. We are enough for big bully (??). Ant me JAY satya ki hoti.


Kyaa hua bhaiyaa.. Galti se hari mirchi chabaa liyaa kyaa khana khate khaate ki itna kaan naak se dhuan nikal raha hai?

[MehtaRahulC]

Originally posted by ShivSainik
If US attacks us , how will they ?? AIR strikes ? or nukes ? or ground ?

This is how US will attack India.

1)US will ask MNC to stop supplying spare parts to all companies in India

1A)Dhirubhai's refinery will stop within 6 mo. DA will lobby before Ministers to change policies

1B)Birla's Birla-ATT (now BATATA) will be ruined. Birla will arm twist Vajpayee to change polices(u know what Birla can do? Birla owns Hindustan Times. What wud happen if Vajpayee's girlfriends' photos come on the front page of Hindustan Times? So Birla can BLACKMAIL Atal to bend on knees)

1C)Reliance Infotech (phone company) uses NYNEX switches. If NYNEX does not renew contracts, it will down too

2)IMF/WB etc stop giving loans to India

3)Arab countries will stop shipping oil.

In short, US can bring India on knees by financial/industrial means. No need to send missiles.

But I dont think US will need to attack India by financial/industrial means. Enron ne Bal Thakare to rishwat de ke pata liya tha ki nahi? Election ke pahele balasaheb bahut bolata tha enron ke khikaf. Baad mein to enron ka bhagat ban gaya. Kitana paisa liya tha balasahed ne? Are bol shiv shainik, is me sharmata kai ku hai? sharamane ka nahi :).

So u c, US will bribe Indian Ministers/journalists and these buggers will sell out, thereby evading a war.

-Rahul Mehta

[kate]

Originally posted by MehtaRahulC
Enron ne Bal Thakare to rishwat de ke pata liya tha ki nahi? Election ke pahele balasaheb bahut bolata tha enron ke khikaf. Baad mein to enron ka bhagat ban gaya. Kitana paisa liya tha balasahed ne? Are bol shiv shainik, is me sharmata kai ku hai? sharamane ka nahi :).

So u c, US will bribe Indian Ministers/journalists and these buggers will sell out, thereby evading a war.

-Rahul Mehta

Who told you that ? I am not saying that this is not possible but do you have a proof or a source to quote or just your perception since BalThakrey changed his stand on Enron. Can only money make someone change his/her stand on an issue or could it be resposibility and more knowledge of the Bombay/Maharshtra/West India's electric demand that made him do that.

[GpeL]

You dont need bombs to terroise america.. All H1'bs and GC holders will start pooping at the sidewalk (mind you we are quite a handful) and refuse to clean up after themselves..with the hygene, neatness and clean environment they are used to, these guys will die of the diseases from them and we can then take over america...

[MehtaRahulC]

Originally posted by kate
... but do you have a proof or a source to quote or just your perception since BalThakrey changed his stand on Enron.

(Btw In my post, my main point was the Indian Minsietsr are corrupt and so they wud sell out to US and so there wud be no war. enron-Thakare was just an example.)

So do I have PROOF that BT is corrupt? nobody has any proof thayt laloo is corrupt.

But lest discuss Bala-Enron saga.

if balasaheb was responsible, and concerned about Maharashtra

1)He wud NOT have signed COUNTER GURANTEE. He wud only give assurance of zero-discrimination (i.e. if yr power is cheaptestm we wont buy from anyone else). This is capitalism. Sell if u want and buyer sud be free to buy from the cheapest source. The very concept of counter-guarantee is against the spirit of "survival of the cheapest" and so it is inefficient.

2)He wudnt sign a deal that drains valueable forex

3)He wd have put a cap on purchase price (something like saying --- OK, we will buy the power, but cannot be more than 20% above average selling price)

But NO SUCH safeguards were taken to protect the interest of Maharashtra/India.

Now lets look at some Enron facts : The power cost in June-Sep/2000 was over Rs 6.50 per unit, assuming 80% plant load. Compare it to NTC (National Thermal Corporation) which sells power at 2.10 per unit.

Now it was cited before Sharad Pawar signed the deal that a naphtha based power plant will be too too expensive. Also importof naphtha was drain on forex. India sud stick to coal based power plants as coal is plenty and dosnt need to be imported. By all means, even paper pencil calculations showed that Enron power is not worth the price and burden on forex. And now it is proven.

Babasaheb opposed the deal tooth and nail when SS was in opposition. And when SS-BJP came into power, within some 2-3 months he changed his mind. NOTHING different had happened in those 3 months. All of a sudden change of hearts?

And then Enron also wanted counter guarantee from center. The Left-of-center in Cong were opposed to it. Then came 13-day govt of Vaypayee.

Now somthing curious happened in those 13 days. Vajpayee's son-in-law, Ranjan Bhattacharya was Officer-on-Special-Duty (OSD). Can u imagine the nonsense? RB has never worked in BJP/RSS or govt of India and is not even a well known expert. And such person becomes OSD. He is given charge of Enron deal (unofficially). And that 13-day Govt approves Enron counter-guarantee.

Now when it was clear that govt was not gonna secure majority and fall in 13 days, why did they tale such 1000-crore decision? Cudnt ABV wait for just 13-14 days?

So too many co-insidences indicate corruption.

-Rahul Mehta

[kate]

Originally posted by GpeL
You dont need bombs to terroise america.. All H1'bs and GC holders will start pooping at the sidewalk (mind you we are quite a handful) and refuse to clean up after themselves..with the hygene, neatness and clean environment they are used to, these guys will die of the diseases from them and we can then take over america...

from Sur pe Jhadoo to Sadak pe Shit :D

MehraRahulC, I don't say that BT could never have taken a bribe and I agree that Indian ministers are corrupt, but then can we just keep blaming every minister who changed their stand because the only incentive to do would be MONEY.

Did you not say that you are also a polititian ?

[GpeL]

Kate you aint a desi?

Originally posted by GpeL
You dont need bombs to terroise america.. All H1'bs and GC holders will start pooping at the sidewalk (mind you we are quite a handful) and refuse to clean up after themselves..with the hygene, neatness and clean environment they are used to, these guys will die of the diseases from them and we can then take over america...

Imagine someone shiting on the street in New York - say in front of 30 Rockefeller Center. Then a NYPD cop shows up and gives a GpeL to this desi.

:D :D :D :D :D :D

[kate]

Originally posted by GpeL
Kate you aint a desi?

but I don't think of shitting on public streets like you do.

But, let's not DERAIL this thread

(maaf karna sutradharjee, maine aapka job takeover kur liya :D)

[videsee]

Originally posted by eNRI


Imagine someone shiting on the street in New York - say in front of 30 Rockefeller Center. Then a NYPD cop shows up and gives a GpeL to this desi.

:D :D :D :D :D :D

Nope...it wasn't a 'desi' it was an eNRI!:D :smash: ;)

[kate]

Originally posted by eNRI


Imagine someone shiting on the street in New York - say in front of 30 Rockefeller Center. Then a NYPD cop shows up and gives a GpeL to this desi.

:D :D :D :D :D :D

LOL

[GpeL]

Kate I dont think I am asking you to "THINK". if need be just do it (can't do even this much for the country? come on..) .. I welcome you to the elite army of desis with a firm plan to defend our country India right from USA. No missiles will be fired.. no guns fired.. just chemical/biowarfare..

[MehtaRahulC]

Originally posted by kate
I don't say that BT could never have taken a bribe and I agree that Indian ministers are corrupt, but then can we just keep blaming every minister who changed their stand because the only incentive to do would be MONEY.

I dont blame them when they change their minds. But when too many things go wrong at the same time (like appoiting son-in-law as Officer-on-Special-Duty, that too in a govt that is gonna last only for 13 days and ....), MONEY has to be a reason.

As another example, NOTHING to do with Balasaheb,
1) Jagmohan was telecom Minister (in 1999, I forgot month)
2)he refused to pardon Rs 10,000 crore that cellphones companies were suppoed to pay.
3)Soli Sorabjee agrees with Jagmohan
4)Soli after giving advice takes flight to NYC to attend a meeting
5)ABV transfers Jagmohan to some other Ministry. ABV takes over telecom Ministry
6)new policy is drafted which waives Rs 10000 crore fee
7)Soli is asked to come back to Delhi. He cancels the conference and comes back
8)within some 1-2 days, he drafts a new advice, which okays waiving Rs 10000 crore fee

U c, half a dozen biggies change their mind in a week, a committed non-corrupt minister is kicked out ... Rs 10000 crore loss to nation;s treasurey ...

Shall I say ABV is non-corrupt? I cant give so much benefit of doubt to ANYONE.


Did you not say that you are also a polititian ?

I am a politico
But I confine to law making NOT MLA/MP elections or becoming ministers. One cant be corrupt,if one has no power

-Rahul Mehta

Originally posted by videsee


Nope...it wasn't a 'desi' it was an eNRI!:D :smash: ;)

It was a desi's idea to poop on the sidewalk in america, not an eNRI's. But, this videsee is also a desi first.:smash: :smash:

and :middlefinger:

[GpeL]

Sunit.. please.. overwhelming public demand for :middlefinger: please make that icon.. gives much needed oomph to the posts..

[kate]

Originally posted by GpeL
Kate I dont think I am asking you to "THINK". if need be just do it (can't do even this much for the country? come on..) .. I welcome you to the elite army of desis with a firm plan to defend our country India right from USA. No missiles will be fired.. no guns fired.. just chemical/biowarfare..

No thanks.

I don't think like you guys.

BTW, GpeL what part of India are you from?

[GpeL]

Originally posted by kate


No thanks.

I don't think like you guys.

BTW, GpeL what part of India are you from?

Tamilian by birth, born and brought up in Bhilai Chattisgrah (then M.P), most of career in Hyderabad. why?

[kate]

Originally posted by GpeL


Tamilian by birth, born and brought up in Bhilai Chattisgrah (then M.P), most of career in Hyderabad. why?

Just wondering why you get this idea of pooping on the streets. Thought may be your background will throw some light.

Some days you claim to be a millionaire-in-the-making, sometimes you talk of pooping on streets.

Again, please do not DERAIL the thread, leave it to the Railways :D

[GpeL]

Originally posted by kate


Just wondering why you get this idea of pooping on the streets. Thought may be your background will throw some light.

Some days you claim to be a millionaire-in-the-making, sometimes you talk of pooping on streets.

Again, please do not DERAIL the thread, leave it to the Railways :D

Sweetie.. come to jersey some day.. I will take you to a pilgrimage to a place called Hill Top.. and also.. looks like you never travelled in trains.. early morning.. all those lota carrying folks busy dirtying the train tracks and when a train approaches dutifully stand (some of them just dont care) but most esp. women will be standing waiting for the train to pass...

By the way.. I aint derailing the thread.. I am just proposing a new mode of war thats all..

[videsee]

Originally posted by eNRI


It was a desi's idea to poop on the sidewalk in america, not an eNRI's. But, this videsee is also a desi first.:smash: :smash:

and :middlefinger:

SPecial THANKS to Kameena bhai .....:D for ikon....

[GpeL]

Kate.. read this thread.. you will learn more about me.

http://www.echarcha.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1972&highlight=dalda+wire

[Fei]

But you have got to keep this fact in your mind

India has advanced a WHOLE LOT in just 50 years of independence...and our military power is OK and we have nuclear

and USA is independent for 200 years..

you can't deny the fact that india has done a lot in just 50 years

and look at Pakistan what did they do?

Originally posted by Fei
But you have got to keep this fact in your mind

India has advanced a WHOLE LOT in just 50 years of independence...and our military power is OK and we have nuclear

and USA is independent for 200 years..

you can't deny the fact that india has done a lot in just 50 years

and look at Pakistan what did they do?

than what USA was in 1776.

India's geting independence in 1947 should not be interpreted as start of life in India. The britishers actually started a lot of industry in India which may not have been possible had the supporters of khaadee had had their way. It would be wrong to reset India's development clock to 1947. I think India was closer to the developed world in 1947 than it is today. India began to lag when the Indians took the control in their hands.

For example, a good part of Indian Railways existed in pre 1947.

[kameena]

Originally posted by eNRI


than what USA was in 1776.

India's geting independence in 1947 should not be interpreted as start of life in India. The britishers actually started a lot of industry in India which may not have been possible had the supporters of khaadee had had their way. It would be wrong to reset India's development clock to 1947. I think India was closer to the developed world in 1947 than it is today. India began to lag when the Indians took the control in their hands.

For example, a good part of Indian Railways existed in pre 1947.

Yaar eNri many times you get facts right but this time you are totally off the point and mistaken. Let be shake your points one by one.

Britishers created excellent transport and communication structure in India. Probably it was the best system they had created outside Britain. But ABSOLUTELY NO INDUSTRY WORTH NAME was started by Britishers in India (I am sure you cant name a major Industry that was started by Brits). The first major Industry in India was created by Jamshedji Tata. And he got permission for that because during WW I the rulers of India were not able to get the supply from Britain.
The reason for that was Britishers wanted to rule India, they were never bothered about development of India. So they needed good communication networks(to rule) which they created. And they made sure that India's resources were used to the maximum advantage of Britain.

As far as Khadi goes, it was in protest against using Indian Cotton in spinning mills of Manchester, while no development was being allowed to take place in India. So there was nothing wrong in Khadi being promoted in pre-Independence India.

After 1947, Indian leaders could have used that head start given to India by British as far as communication and transport network is concerned for fast paced development. But then our politicians were blinded by Nehruvian socialism, which stunted India's development.

Originally posted by kameena


Yaar eNri many times you get facts right but this time you are totally off the point and mistaken. Let be shake your points one by one.

Britishers created excellent transport and communication structure in India. Probably it was the best system they had created outside Britain. But ABSOLUTELY NO INDUSTRY WORTH NAME was started by Britishers in India (I am sure you cant name a major Industry that was started by Brits). The first major Industry in India was created by Jamshedji Tata. And he got permission for that because during WW I the rulers of India were not able to get the supply from Britain.
The reason for that was Britishers wanted to rule India, they were never bothered about development of India. So they needed good communication networks(to rule) which they created. And they made sure that India's resources were used to the maximum advantage of Britain.

As far as Khadi goes, it was in protest against using Indian Cotton in spinning mills of Manchester, while no development was being allowed to take place in India. So there was nothing wrong in Khadi being promoted in pre-Independence India.

After 1947, Indian leaders could have used that head start given to India by British as far as communication and transport network is concerned for fast paced development. But then our politicians were blinded by Nehruvian socialism, which stunted India's development.

You are all wrong kameena about british not having industrialized India before the partition. I named Railways and you have added steel and communication. What about mining, paper and later even textile mills. The list is long and of course british did not look India's devlopment as their priority one, but they did not ignore India's development completely.

khaadee found support during protest against the use of foreign made goods and Gandhiji said that khadee was the only way India could attain self reliance.

Nehru's ideas on economy were the best. He promoted state run industry in the core sector such as defence production, telecom, heavy electricals and power generation, where the private investment was not forthcoming and was risky to national interest and left manufacture of cars and coca-cola to the private sector. Socialism was best promoted by Indira Gandhi who abolished privy purses, then nationalised banks and extended it to PSU making cars (Maruti).

I think you don't have your facts straight, but this is not a thread to discuss economy but "if america were to attack India".

[MehtaRahulC]

what wd happen if

1)US were to attack India
2)Canada were to attack India
3)Mexico wta India
4)Comunbia wta India
5)Saudi Arabia wta India
6)Kuwait wta India
7)Iraq wta India
8)Russia wta India
9)Pak wta India
10)Vatican city wta India
11)Britain were to re-attack India
12)Bangladesh wta India
13)Bhutan wta India
14)Nepal wta India

and also in case India divides into 10-20 peices, the what wud happen if

1)UP wta Bihar
2)Bihar wta Bong
etc etc

any thoughts?

-Rahul Mehta

[viking]

They dont attack India because they do not have any interest in this country. No one has. India unfortunately due to it's hyper peaceful foreign policy has only drawn the ire of it's neighbours. India is symbolised by a Bald old weak and doddering old man called Gandhi.

And incidentally the same Gandhi who gave so many sops to Pakistan is a hated figure in Pakistan. His wish that his ashes be scattered over the Sindhu river could not be fulfilled because the Pakistanis ..the very people whose ass he wanted to safegaurd denied permission.:D

[kameena]

Originally posted by eNRI


You are all wrong kameena about british not having industrialized India before the partition. I named Railways and you have added steel and communication. What about mining, paper and later even textile mills. The list is long and of course british did not look India's devlopment as their priority one, but they did not ignore India's development completely.

khaadee found support during protest against the use of foreign made goods and Gandhiji said that khadee was the only way India could attain self reliance.

Nehru's ideas on economy were the best. He promoted state run industry in the core sector such as defence production, telecom, heavy electricals and power generation, where the private investment was not forthcoming and was risky to national interest and left manufacture of cars and coca-cola to the private sector. Socialism was best promoted by Indira Gandhi who abolished privy purses, then nationalised banks and extended it to PSU making cars (Maruti).

I think you don't have your facts straight, but this is not a thread to discuss economy but "if america were to attack India".

Enri, I know this is not to be discussed in this thread. But two things I wanted to point out. You are right about Indian economy getting screwed in the name of socialism after independence.
Railways is NOT AN INDUSTRY. Same can be said of communication networks. No paper mill worth its name existed in India prior to independence. Steel making was controlled. Britishers allowed mines because they needed the coal and iron ore, but they never allowed to create factories. So India had infrastructure but NO INDUSTRY.

... does it really matter if you or any economist classify Railways as an industry or not or debates whether the Bollywood film industry is actually an industry or not? The point is that Britishers (whatever we may allege that their selfish intent was) did not altogether put India's development on hold. They did what they could do and that too in absence of support from the people.

I gave the example of a reasonable developed India when someone here citied that India has been independent for only 50 years compared to over 200 years for the US. The comparison is inaccurate.

[pakoda]

Originally posted by MehtaRahulC

Try to appreciate 2 simple facts
1)If US/MNC stop shipping spare parts to Dhirubhai Ambani's refinery in Jamnagar, the refinery will stop within 6 months and DA will be a popper. So DA HAS TO ACT LIKE AN ANGENT OF US. DA has no option. Got it?
........
-Rahul Mehta

Hey Rahul,
i am just a casual surfer on this site.
Just wanted to tell you that the Reliance Jamnagar refinery wont stop because of lack of spare parts....we make all the spare parts needed in India(It might stop coz of the lack of crude oil from arab countries...but that is a different thing).
Believe me on this count since I have worked in that place for two years.
just my two cents....All the best.. and long live India ! :)

[ShivSainik]

Originally posted by GpeL



Kyaa hua bhaiyaa.. Galti se hari mirchi chabaa liyaa kyaa khana khate khaate ki itna kaan naak se dhuan nikal raha hai?
mere to Kan nak se nikal raha hai ...Gand se to nahi na :D Gand se dhua to US ka nikal ne wala hai :D

[viking]

Colin Powell has drafted a report implicating some pakistan based groups of spreading terror in India. And America has also stated that there can be no role for the Taliban in any future govt in Afghanistan so I feel we Indians need not worry!

[MehtaRahulC]

Originally posted by pakoda
i am just a casual surfer on this site.
Just wanted to tell you that the Reliance Jamnagar refinery wont stop because of lack of spare parts....we make all the spare parts needed in India. Believe me on this count ...

ok beliv u.

Which company in India manufactres the parts. A person working there told me that many of the parts in their captive power plant come from GE and many parts in refinery are made by DuPont.

If reliance makes this parts, where is the factory located?

I just spoke a 12th class freind of mine who now manages captive power plant in bharuch's IPCL plant. He said that they now use GE gas turbines (although BHEL's turbines were equally good) and some critical part (some kinda blade) in manufactured ONLY in US and nowhere else in the world. I asked if anyone in India can manufacture it. He said that in it is POSSIBLE, but no easy as all designs are properitery, and it wud take a while to develop designs. So GE stops shipping the blades and other parts, their operations wd be hurt.

-Rahul Mehta

[vyomkeshsaxena]

First of situation is weird b'cos a country which has 6 million indians and all of them in /buisness/tech.professionals wont dream of doing such a move...not to miss my favourite eNRI..he is america's favourite..and its flagship here...
ok lets c if this situation do arise than america cannot attack on such a vast coutry by using only its naval or air power...so definitely it will need pakistan here also...so the war has begun and pakistan is giving all its support..airspace and logistics..
1)within 6hours pakistan's nuclear arsenal and frontline bases r destroyed...believe me pakistan cannot launch any pre-emptive attack on india..it has no capabilities for that..leave alone its false claims
ref# todays online edition of TIMES OF INDIA in which american strategists have pointed out this fact bluntly...
2) US 5th and 7th fleet r ready to launch attack...but it will take min of 2-3 days for ships to position themselves..dont think of Diego Garcia...Gb will not commit this base..and if does also..india has no prob. in destroying it thru its base in andaman and nicobar islands..
3) as american policy..it will try to neutralize air defences and estroy strategic targets using B3, F117 etc... they r going to use these bombers only as other bombers such as B1 or anyother aircraft are `100% vulnerable to IAF jets...and for these B1 and f117's , they will have to take-off from american mainland or arab allies..so there is alittle chance that they can go into interior parts of india and destroy them...
4) american policy is also to destroy strategic targets using cruise missiles...taking indian topographical into account..these missiles r suceptible to early detection by field radars positioned close to strategic targers...and owing to slow speed..these can be easily intercepted by IAF planes ., anti-aircraft artillery and SAM's...
5) no chance of american troop deployment along any side of indian border...though they can be technologically advanced but as far as ground battle is concerned..i can give india a clear chit..
6) any pre-emptive atack by carrier based aircrafts will be detected very well in advance by warships positioned in rabian sea and bay of bengal...and our air force can launch a couter attack in roughly 9 min.
7) america wont use nukes....thats for sure....any SLBM launch can be intercepted by indian satellites in rougly 3 min and a counter attack can be launched in another 9 min.

in short...it wont be easy for america to win a war with india...if u guys they will launch ICBM's than lemme tell u they wont waste money in launching ICBM's with conventional warhead....

now indian side..

1) with 700+ frontline aircrafts and no way americ can match this number when a war breaks out b'cos of lack of air bases..if america do launch a first strik on air bases we have more than 80+ civilian airfileds to tow our aircrafts...
2)indian navy can launch very lethalattack on US navy and believe me US navy cannot defen itself from this joint IAF & NAVY attack..whatever its capabilities r..we have supersonic cruise missiles apart from normal ones and our other misilles viz. matra (navy version), magic and russian torpedos r undoubtebly best in the world...
3) if american navy taste a setback here..it will take min 4-5 days for other military hardware to take position and this time is enough for india to smuggle ICBM' from russia

believe me guy, U S of A's position on world map is both advantageous and disadvantageous for it...if ever it gets into war with any powerful enemy these loopholes will emerge significantly....

what do u think guys.. i know i've been very pro-indian in this reply...and their will be huge losses on indian side as compared to america mainland (like destruction of bombay high, BARC , air bases etc etc...but the punch that india will deliver to america will be lethal too.....and with the help of russian ICBM's (i'em 100% optimistic abt. this) and also india experimenting with PSLV as ICBM it may be possible to attack american mainland,./.

[vyomkeshsaxena]

dear rahul sir,
u've been propoganding a lot abt. DB's refinery, BATATA etc etc.. but did u ever think there r lotsa other industries apart from these...unless we become self-dependent no one can save us...post sanctions scenario was an eye-opener to us..we have very well adapted the situation...even american econmy is heading for crisis...us buisnessmen were the first one o oppose sanctions against indians...and sanctions here had profound impact on american ech. and market sector..let alone the miltary advances that india has made in this period..we have developed 3 fastest super comp. in world...2nd powerful laser device which has capability to knock out satellites from orbite ("kali" in institute of plasma research (developed but military use in ex[perimental stage) and many more..our project on anti-ballistic and missile intercetion is one of the most advanced in thw world..and america is eyeing for this technolgy...our research as thorium as nucler fuel is undoubtebly the best...our pharma sector is all set for a boom in intl. market..our textile industry has similar word to say...CDAC has mastered 64 bit computing...so new routers, microchips r not far away..no need of A.T & T
rest t'row

Originally posted by vyomkeshsaxena
First of situation is weird b'cos a country which has 6 million indians and all of them in /buisness/tech.professionals wont dream of doing such a move...not to miss my favourite eNRI..he is america's favourite..and its flagship here...
ok lets c if this situation do arise than america cannot attack on such a vast coutry by using only its naval or air power...so definitely it will need pakistan here also...so the war has begun and pakistan is giving all its support..airspace and logistics..
1)within 6hours pakistan's nuclear arsenal and frontline bases r destroyed...believe me pakistan cannot launch any pre-emptive attack on india..it has no capabilities for that..leave alone its false claims
ref# todays online edition of TIMES OF INDIA in which american strategists have pointed out this fact bluntly...
2) US 5th and 7th fleet r ready to launch attack...but it will take min of 2-3 days for ships to position themselves..dont think of Diego Garcia...Gb will not commit this base..and if does also..india has no prob. in destroying it thru its base in andaman and nicobar islands..
3) as american policy..it will try to neutralize air defences and estroy strategic targets using B3, F117 etc... they r going to use these bombers only as other bombers such as B1 or anyother aircraft are `100% vulnerable to IAF jets...and for these B1 and f117's , they will have to take-off from american mainland or arab allies..so there is alittle chance that they can go into interior parts of india and destroy them...
4) american policy is also to destroy strategic targets using cruise missiles...taking indian topographical into account..these missiles r suceptible to early detection by field radars positioned close to strategic targers...and owing to slow speed..these can be easily intercepted by IAF planes ., anti-aircraft artillery and SAM's...
5) no chance of american troop deployment along any side of indian border...though they can be technologically advanced but as far as ground battle is concerned..i can give india a clear chit..
6) any pre-emptive atack by carrier based aircrafts will be detected very well in advance by warships positioned in rabian sea and bay of bengal...and our air force can launch a couter attack in roughly 9 min.
7) america wont use nukes....thats for sure....any SLBM launch can be intercepted by indian satellites in rougly 3 min and a counter attack can be launched in another 9 min.

in short...it wont be easy for america to win a war with india...if u guys they will launch ICBM's than lemme tell u they wont waste money in launching ICBM's with conventional warhead....

now indian side..

1) with 700+ frontline aircrafts and no way americ can match this number when a war breaks out b'cos of lack of air bases..if america do launch a first strik on air bases we have more than 80+ civilian airfileds to tow our aircrafts...
2)indian navy can launch very lethalattack on US navy and believe me US navy cannot defen itself from this joint IAF & NAVY attack..whatever its capabilities r..we have supersonic cruise missiles apart from normal ones and our other misilles viz. matra (navy version), magic and russian torpedos r undoubtebly best in the world...
3) if american navy taste a setback here..it will take min 4-5 days for other military hardware to take position and this time is enough for india to smuggle ICBM' from russia

believe me guy, U S of A's position on world map is both advantageous and disadvantageous for it...if ever it gets into war with any powerful enemy these loopholes will emerge significantly....

what do u think guys.. i know i've been very pro-indian in this reply...and their will be huge losses on indian side as compared to america mainland (like destruction of bombay high, BARC , air bases etc etc...but the punch that india will deliver to america will be lethal too.....and with the help of russian ICBM's (i'em 100% optimistic abt. this) and also india experimenting with PSLV as ICBM it may be possible to attack american mainland,./.

... the war on terrorism is going to be a difficult one and a long drawn one, but I am sure that USA will come out as a winner.

We will not falter and we will not fail.

[vyomkeshsaxena]

WINNING WAR IN TALIBAN :D :D :D

killing the already dead people....is it what u american call war..c'mon guys go with vintage class weaponary and fight like them...letc c who wins this battle...sitting on a dektop/laptop its very easy to punch keys...what do u know abt. civilian sufferings...
ur shit policy of middle-east is already making news.....

land of brave, thats what u call urselves..:D :D , all this bravery will come down in next few years....believe me!!
:smash: :smash: :smash:

[Netra]

Originally posted by vyomkeshsaxena
WINNING WAR IN TALIBAN :D :D :D

killing the already dead people....is it what u american call war..c'mon guys go with vintage class weaponary and fight like them...letc c who wins this battle...sitting on a dektop/laptop its very easy to punch keys...what do u know abt. civilian sufferings...
ur shit policy of middle-east is already making news.....

land of brave, thats what u call urselves..:D :D , all this bravery will come down in next few years....believe me!!
:smash: :smash: :smash:

That's why I call USofA a big bully. They always fight against the weak. Let's see them declaring a war on China.

Originally posted by Netra


That's why I call USofA a big bully. They always fight against the weak. Let's see them declaring a war on China.

What's your problem with China ? Did you not see that Russia and China were among the 20 countries that condemned terrorism and have supported USA in its war against terrorism.

APEC to take united stand on terrorism
SHANGHAI, China (CNN) -- The 21-nation Asia Pacific Economic Cooperation (APEC)group will "unequivocally condemn" the terrorist attacks in the United States, CNN has learned.

http://www.cnn.com/2001/WORLD/asiapcf/east/10/20/apec.declaration/index.html

[Netra]

eNRI I am not talking about the present situation. I am talking generally. The number of countries in whose affairs USofA has interfered either because they had attacked other countries or because they were communists.

Why didn't USA take any action when China invaded India or because they are communists.

Do you think USofA had taken the same action against China that they are taking against Afghanistan if it was China who was responsible for the WTC attacks?

[vyomkeshsaxena]

eNRI.
"they have CONDEMNED" ....c ur desi news channel CNN " THEY HAVE NOT SUPPORTED IN ANY WAY STRIKE AGAINST AFGHANISTAN"
kid grow up...its proven fact that ur country cannot wage war against any strong coutry....land of fearful...i call them
:smash:

did u hear btw another chopper is down...they showd tyres of that choper in al-jazeera tv...now dont tell that its digital imaging

:smash: :smash: :smash: :smash:

[bakchatter]

Ground operations in Afghanistan wont be easy. Iraqi army chickened out basically, but I feel that the Taliban are a different breed altogether. And fighting ground battle with the Taliban in Afghanistan isnt going to be a piece of cake. Also if the conflict doesnt get over soon then there would be a major problem in Pukistan and in other islamic countries. Mushy has himself said this and i agree to this. If in a matter of days US isnt able to finish operations in Afghanistan then the conflict could take a dangerous turn. Imagine if fundamentalists get hold of Puki's nuke facilities what a deadly scenario it would be. Oil and nukes in control of fundamentalists. I think that this is the time Dubaya needs, yes needs to stretch his hand to Iran. He needs to overtly support the Russian action in Chechnya. He needs to forcefully condemn the uprising in China's Xianjing (correct spelling i hope). Lets face it, current diplomatic scenario wont let him speak out against Pukistan in Kashmir issue. But he needs to mollify India's concerns by offering aid and investment to us just like he is doing to Pukistan.
I shudder to imagine what a topsy turvy and conflicting world it would become if the strikes need to go on for a long time.

[Netra]

I wonder which country Pakistan will support if USofA wages a war against China?

[MehtaRahulC]

Originally posted by vyomkeshsaxena
dear rahul sir

pls,only rahul, RMC etc

u've been propoganding a lot abt. DB's refinery, BATATA etc etc.. but did u ever think there r lotsa other industries apart from these...unless we become self-dependent no one can save us...
100% agree
DB's jamnaggar refinery, Biral-ATT (noe BATATA) are ONLY EXAMPLES. There are dozens and dozens of industries which can collapse within 1 month if US/MNCs impose a fuill-blown ban on trade.

post sanctions scenario was an eye-opener to us..we have very well adapted the situation...
sanctions were eye-opener, and many took lessons. But still many haven learned anything. eg I just met a 12th class friend of mine who now manages IPCL's captive-power plant in bharuch. They use GE gas turbines amd some of its parts are made ONLY in US.

-Rahul Mehta

[kameena]

Originally posted by Netra
I wonder which country Pakistan will support if USofA wages a war against China?

I dont see Americans having the guts to fight Chinese, even if the Chinese end up invading Taiwan (Which I see happening in 3 or 4 years unless Taiwan on its own decides to join China). The reason is US is more bothered about LA than Taipei (Chinese ICBMs can take out LA and US wouldnt like any of its cities to be Nuked).

Well we had the spy plane incident in the recent past, contrary to the bull propagated by american media, the US govt had to appologise to Chinese to get the plane and crew released. So basically US wont get into a fight with chinese they lack the guts.

Originally posted by Netra
eNRI I am not talking about the present situation. I am talking generally. The number of countries in whose affairs USofA has interfered either because they had attacked other countries or because they were communists.

Why didn't USA take any action when China invaded India or because they are communists.

Do you think USofA had taken the same action against China that they are taking against Afghanistan if it was China who was responsible for the WTC attacks?

and I think it was a territorial dispute over a part of land that India claimed at its and China as its. It was not an invasion to change the form of government from democracy to communism.

The last part of your post is an if-then-what kind of a question. China may not have a good human rights record but they have never supported terrorism or harbored any terrorists.

Originally posted by kameena


I dont see Americans having the guts to fight Chinese, even if the Chinese end up invading Taiwan (Which I see happening in 3 or 4 years unless Taiwan on its own decides to join China). The reason is US is more bothered about LA than Taipei (Chinese ICBMs can take out LA and US wouldnt like any of its cities to be Nuked).

Well we had the spy plane incident in the recent past, contrary to the bull propagated by american media, the US govt had to appologise to Chinese to get the plane and crew released. So basically US wont get into a fight with chinese they lack the guts.

USA did not apologize for the incidence. They expressed their being "very sorry" for the loss of the pilot and sent sympathies to his family.

Both USA and China have a lot at stake in each other by way of business. USA is a big market for Chinese products and China is a cheap source of stuff for USA. Any war or severence of relations between the two countries will hit them both economically. So, they iron out their differences rather than add fuel to any fire. Diplomacy at its best!!

[kameena]

Originally posted by eNRI


USA did not apologize for the incidence. They expressed their being "very sorry" for the loss of the pilot and sent sympathies to his family.


You are again mistaken eNRI. Probably you have just followed American media. If you had read the full text of the letter sent by American government you will know that there is a subtle difference in the english and chinese versions of the letters. It was pointed out by couple of websites but never was noted in US Media. What does it point to? US did use the chinese equivalent of word "applogise" in the chinese variant of the letter.
Read some european and some Russian media reports to get an independent viewpoint (I am not telling that American media is biased but then they only spurt out stuff from american viewpoint).

As far as business interests are concerned I fully agree with your analogy.

[MehtaRahulC]

Originally posted by Netra
I am not talking about the present situation. I am talking generally. The number of countries in whose affairs USofA has interfered either because they had attacked other countries or because they were communists.

communism was ONLY an excuse.
eg in some 1890s, US supplied aid to panama seperationists, and has also sent troops so that panama can become a separate nation and US can own the panama canal. There was no communism them

When US attacks a country, in general, we MUST NOT blame US blame more than 1%. The 99% blame must be thrown on the elite-members of that country who deliberately DO NOT take steps to strenghten the country/ppl. Worse, many times elite-members DELIBERATELY take steps that wud weaken their country. focus on traitors, NOT the invaders

eg how come US does NOT attack canada? why doesnt US attack france/britain/germany? If u keep ur country strong enuf, US wudnt attack.

-Rahul Mehta

Originally posted by kameena


You are again mistaken eNRI. Probably you have just followed American media. If you had read the full text of the letter sent by American government you will know that there is a subtle difference in the english and chinese versions of the letters.

Since I don't know chinese, I cannot argue with that but I don't agree that the difference between "apology over the incidence" and "feeling sorry for the death of the pilot" can be subtle enogh to have been lost in the translation.

So, I reject your claim. :smash:

Originally posted by kameena
As far as business interests are concerned I fully agree with your analogy.

Analogy ? where is the analogy ?

... or may be the meaning changed in translation.

Duhh ...........

[kameena]

Originally posted by eNRI


Since I don't know chinese, I cannot argue with that but I don't agree that the difference between "apology over the incidence" and "feeling sorry for the death of the pilot" can be subtle enogh to have been lost in the translation.

So, I reject your claim. :smash:

Lets face it eNRI, you should either go to some chinese media sites or some sites which have independent reports. At least read the other side too. I
f you read the english translation of the letter what Chinese claim that the US had given them it is a bit different (The word appology is prominent there) from the letter American Media has published. Your information seems to be a bit incomplete. And you need not go far, since the web in there within your reach, just search for it and you will find what I trying to say.

[Fei]

Originally posted by Netra


That's why I call USofA a big bully. They always fight against the weak. Let's see them declaring a war on China.

you are absolutely right Netra...they are a big ****IN bully..and you know wat always happens to the bullies....

USA always pick on the small countries...here are all the countries that USA has attacked or bombed till now..

now except china...these are small and poor countries

Here is a list of the countries that America has been at war with—and bombed—since World War II: China (1945-46, 1950-53); Korea (1950-53); Guatemala (1954, 1967-69); Indonesia (1958); Cuba (1959-60); the Belgian Congo (1964); Peru (1965); Laos (1964-73); Vietnam (1961-73); Cambodia (1969-70); Grenada (1983); Libya (1986); El Salvador (1980s); Nicaragua (1980s); Panama (1989), Iraq (1991-99), Bosnia (1995), Sudan (1998); Yugoslavia (1999).And now Afghanistan

this was taken from an article on outlook india written by Arundhati Roy...its good reading

http://www.outlookindia.com/full.asp?fname=arundhati+%28F%29&fodname=20011029&sid=1

[Fei]

and btw...USA is never going to attack China....they know they are going to get their ass kicked...

its a fact that CHINA IS THE ONLY COUNTRY which stands as a threat to USA

[siffar]

100% agree
DB's jamnaggar refinery, Biral-ATT (noe BATATA) are ONLY EXAMPLES. There are dozens and dozens of industries which can collapse within 1 month if US/MNCs impose a fuill-blown ban on trade.

i disagree :down: , Indian industry is really strong :up:. You are underestimating industrial strength of India. I being in machine tool manufacturing industry can say that.

I just spoke a 12th class freind of mine who now manages captive power plant in bharuch's IPCL plant. He said that they now use GE gas turbines (although BHEL's turbines were equally good) and some critical part (some kinda blade) in manufactured ONLY in US and nowhere else in the world. I asked if anyone in India can manufacture it. He said that in it is POSSIBLE, but no easy as all designs are properitery, and it wud take a while to develop designs. So GE stops shipping the blades and other parts, their operations wd be hurt.

by quoting just one example you give verdict that Indian industry is too weak! what a pity, you are misinformed!
if they use GE manufactured parts, thats their opinion. Like you said BHEL's quality is same, incase of war they will be using spare parts manufactured by BHEL. Also ever heard of HMT? FYI it is the one of the best machine tool manufacturing companies that is manufacturing machines of worldclass at economical price and their are number of industry in India which ~had~ survived without the aid of so called US of A( although it is not profitable business now.
100% agree
DB's jamnaggar refinery, Biral-ATT (noe BATATA) are ONLY EXAMPLES. There are dozens and dozens of industries which can collapse within 1 month if US/MNCs impose a fuill-blown ban on trade.
negative.. they are strong enuf to handle such a situation.

:D

[MehtaRahulC]

Originally posted by siffar
by quoting just one example [of IPCL using GE turbines] you give verdict that Indian industry is too weak! what a pity, you are misinformed! if they use GE manufactured parts, thats their opinion. Like you said BHEL's quality is same, incase of war they will be using spare parts manufactured by BHEL. Also ever heard of HMT?

BHEL is slowly being killed, in case u know.
And this kinda info (that many critical parts are now imported rather than manufactured) I getting from too many folks. eg check clearance in India uses MICR techology, which uses a ribbon-cartridge which is manufatured NOWHERE but italy (this was the case till Dec99, I didnt follow after that). A guy working in reliance info says that they are impoting almost all switches from NYNEX

Even if Indian can manufacture these things, not a short notice.

-Rahul Mehta

[vyomkeshsaxena]

Originally posted by MehtaRahulC


pls,only rahul, RMC etc


100% agree
DB's jamnaggar refinery, Biral-ATT (noe BATATA) are ONLY EXAMPLES. There are dozens and dozens of industries which can collapse within 1 month if US/MNCs impose a fuill-blown ban on trade.


sanctions were eye-opener, and many took lessons. But still many haven learned anything. eg I just met a 12th class friend of mine who now manages IPCL's captive-power plant in bharuch. They use GE gas turbines amd some of its parts are made ONLY in US.

-Rahul Mehta

dear sir,
ever thought what us companies will gain in sanctions...what if there GE engines r not sold and r kept in godowns...and spare parts market goes down b'cos they cannot sell these to india....look at other side of coin..."IF THERE R BUYERS, THERE R SELLERS AND VICE-VERSA.." what do ya think.....
btw this is my last post on this site as i feel that my freedom of speech, expression is taken off by administrator on this site by calling me insane, sadist etc etc.. and told me to go for a brain-check...and i've replied to this on my post of "CHEERS AMERICAN CHOPPER PILOTS GOT ****ED UP"... i feel that NETRA and URSELF were gr8 and i would like u all to continue with same enthusiasm...chow

- VYOMKESH SAXENA ( a proud desi)

[MehtaRahulC]

Originally posted by vyomkeshsaxena
ever thought what us companies will gain in sanctions...what if there GE engines r not sold and r kept in godowns...and spare parts market goes down ...

If Japs stop exporting TVs in India, nothing bad wud happen to India. But if GE stops exporting turbine parts, the electricity production may reduce and that can jeppardize Indian economy. (that was an example, I dunno the extent to which GE turbines are currently being used)

So suppose GE's export to India is Rs 100 crore and those parts play very critical roles in Indian economy. Then of GE stops exporting, US economy wd loose only Rs 100 crore but India can loose a lot lot more.

Moral -- in matter of electricity generation, we shud be 100% self-sufficient. But our elite-members (rich, editors, Ministers, IAS, eCharchans) are corrupt/lazy and dont pay attention to this. Result : BHEL is being mnurdered and GE is taling over in electricity generation.

In general, US wud NOT STOP GE to deal with India. But they might when they wanna pressurize India to take a step.

IF THERE R BUYERS, THERE R SELLERS AND VICE-VERSA.. what do ya think.....

Strictly from busines point of view, this is true. But if a part costs Rs 1, and to the user, its value/utility is Rs 1000, and that part is under a monopoly producer, the produce can arm-twist the user. This wont happen in open markets. But since only GE makes spare-parts, the market is NOT open and competitive.

But in any case, I DONT consider US/MNCs as a serious threat to India. The TRAITORS amongst Indian elite-members are 100 times bigger problem.

-Rahul Mehta