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AmthaLal
April 19th, 2012, 01:09 PM
After N D Tewari, Its Abhishek Manu Singhvi. (http://daily.bhaskar.com/article/NAT-TOP-caught-in-the-act-now-an-objectionable-cd-of-abhishek-manu-singhvi-3125416.html?LHS-)



New Delhi: The Delhi High Court has restrained a media house from publishing, telecasting and broadcasting the contents of a CD pertaining to Congress leader and a leading advocate Abhishek Manu Singhvi.

"Till the next hearing, the defendants (the media house), their agents and all others acting for and/or on their behalf are restrained from publishing, broadcasting and disseminating or distributing in any form or any manner the content of any alleged CD or any other material as described in the plaint," Justice Reva Khetrapal said in an order on a civil suit filed by Singhvi.

He had sought a restraint on the media group from making public the contents of the alleged CD. The court has also sought response by May 21 from Aaj Tak, Headlines Today and India Today and Singhvi's former driver, alleged mastermind behind the scandal.

"Irreparable injury is likely to be caused to the reputation and goodwill of Singhvi in case the defendants are not restrained. Accordingly, issue notice to defendants (one to four) which is returnable by May 21," it said.

Singhvi alleged that the CD was "forged, concocted, morphed and fabricated". Any move to telecast the alleged CD would infringe the right to reputation of Singhvi, the plea said.




More (http://daily.bhaskar.com/article/NAT-TOP-objectionable-cd-row-abhishek-manu-singhvi-had-consensual-sex-3125499.html?HT2=)
New Delhi: A day after the Delhi High Court restrained a media house from publishing, telecasting and broadcasting the contents of a CD pertaining to Congress leader and a leading advocate Abhishek Manu Singhvi, the ‘objectionable CD’ in question has been doing the rounds on the internet.

Soon after the reports about Abhishek Manu Singhvi's alleged 'objectionable CD' hit the news channel, the world of Twitter was flooded with comments. While #AbhishekManuSinghvi is the top trending topic, the buzz is whether the Congress spokesperson had a consensual sex with the lady lawyer or did he have sex in return of any 'favour'.

A Delhi-based lawyer claimed on Twitter to have known the details about the alleged CD. Her tweets hinted that the Congress leader had consensual sex with a lady lawyer who is in her mid 40s.

"@shilpitewari i know the female. She was not exploited.She s vinfluential even otherwise. Happened in his office. She is about 45-50yrs old," tweeted Delhi-based lawyer Swaty Singh Malik.

Her comments followed the tweets: "@shilpitewari it has to be consensual or else he can much better/younger girls if he wants to exploit."

The lawyer also mentioned that the lady in the CD too is very rich and influential and that so did not have sex with Singhvi in return of some favour.

Notably, Singhvi had alleged that the CD was "forged, concocted, morphed and fabricated".

Here are a few tweets on Swati Singh Malik's wall on the 'objectional CD' of Singhvi.

Swaty Singh Malik ‏ @SwatySMalik: "@prachivsharma doctored tou pata nahi. But feel bad for the lady lawyer as well. So much crap without evidence."

Swaty Singh Malik ‏ @SwatySMalik: "@DKMahant heard about it in the morning and was disgusted ! Feel bas for the lady lawyer being dragged in!

Swaty Singh Malik ‏ @SwatySMalik: "@shilpitewari i know the female. She was not exploited.She s vinfluential even otherwise. Happened in his office. She is about 45-50yrs old."

Swaty Singh Malik ‏ @SwatySMalik: "@shilpitewari I assume you know her too. I do not agree that they had sex just for judgeship. U think it's that simple to become a judge?NO!"

Swaty Singh Malik ‏ @SwatySMalik: "@shilpitewari it has to be consensual or else he can much better/younger girls if he wants to exploit."

Swaty Singh Malik ‏ @SwatySMalik: "@Simblee what've know is that thy didn't record it .. A staff member did and then blackmailed him."

Swaty Singh Malik ‏ @SwatySMalik: "@SwarupKS see she too is v rich and v influential also has a great legal practice. So sex only for favour is unlikely."





Saale kaangressi ......sab ke sab aaiyaash hai. Singhvi mofo have no rights to speak a word against Anna Hazaare.:mad:

swami
April 19th, 2012, 01:28 PM
Saale kaangressi ......sab ke sab aaiyaash hai. Singhvi mofo have no rights to speak a word against Anna Hazaare.:mad:

Not aaiyaash they are the biggest viagra testers in India :D

Premi
April 19th, 2012, 01:33 PM
saala CD contents ban kiya court ne...

Indian court ..... haaye haaye

inqalaab zindabaad

Dead On Arrival
April 19th, 2012, 01:44 PM
whats the big deal ? :confused: someone slept with someone.. So what?
When did having sex become a reflection of his or her political views? I dont see anything wrong in a consensual sex.. The funny thing is this man denying it.. wtf.. Kara toh kara..

Gr8_Hindustani
April 19th, 2012, 02:14 PM
Arey woh sub to theek hai par CD kaa link kidhar hai? :D

Premi
April 19th, 2012, 02:21 PM
saala CD contents ban kiya court ne...

Indian court ..... haaye haaye

inqalaab zindabaad

Arey woh sub to theek hai par CD kaa link kidhar hai? :D


kya raja hindustani ... poora thread read kahe nahi karte re.... hayn??

:mad: eik to CD nahi milti upar se baar baar yaad dilaate ho... :mad:

rationalthinker
April 19th, 2012, 08:00 PM
Arey woh sub to theek hai par CD kaa link kidhar hai? :D

The other side of anticipation is disappointment!:D (titillation value-wise!)

PeaceSeeker
April 20th, 2012, 09:03 AM
ek se ek chupa rustam hai kongress mein.
abhishek manu singhvi is a renowed lawyer, was congress spokesperson till recently, one of the most richest parlimentarians with a declared annual income of 50 crores:eek:
the HC court issued direction to block the video. but supposedly it went viral on internet. lot of ppl have put it on on utube. bhaisaab is enjoying a bj.

Zorro
April 20th, 2012, 09:55 AM
kya raja hindustani ... poora thread read kahe nahi karte re.... hayn??

:mad: eik to CD nahi milti upar se baar baar yaad dilaate ho... :mad:

bada tharki hai yaar tu... who tf is interested in seeing a 45-50 yr old aunty fuck another old dude?

Premi
April 20th, 2012, 10:20 AM
bada tharki hai yaar tu... who tf is interested in seeing a 45-50 yr old aunty fuck another old dude?

who told you the fuck was 40-45 old aunty.:(

aragorn
April 20th, 2012, 11:57 AM
ha ha ha ha!!!

Congress hasa now became Porngress party :D

Zorro
April 20th, 2012, 12:01 PM
who told you the fuck was 40-45 old aunty.:(

Swaty Singh Malik


Swaty Singh Malik ‏ @SwatySMalik: "@shilpitewari i know the female. She was not exploited.She s vinfluential even otherwise. Happened in his office. She is about 45-50yrs old."

AmthaLal
April 20th, 2012, 02:23 PM
here is link guys.:smartass:


https://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=185487491571757


PS: You will need facebook account to watch it.;)

Premi
April 20th, 2012, 02:44 PM
here is link guys.:smartass:


https://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=185487491571757


PS: You will need facebook account to watch it.;)


ye kya peechhe ke wall ka design dekhne ke liye video banaya tha kisi ne... :mad:

kuchh focus nahi angle nahi aawaaj theek se nahi aa rahi .... :doh:

tehlka ka woh swami wala video massst tha.

BABU_HYDERABADI
April 20th, 2012, 08:50 PM
some funny tweets about the whole thing
Dibyasundar Nayak@dibyabttb
ND Tiwari can die peacefully now. He found a worthy successor in Abhishek Manu Singhvi
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The UnReal Times@TheUnRealTimes
Defending himself before his wife must be a piece of cake for Abhishek Manu Singhvi
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Sidin Vadukut@sidin
I have always considered Abhishek Manu Singhvi to be an excellent pokesperson.
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kashish@_kashish_
So Abhishek manu singhvi got the HC to pass an order restraining a media house from airing his 'dirty picture'!
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pophai@pophai
If Abhishek Manu Singhvi had approached Mamta instead of highcourt he could have got all ppl tweeting about his CD arrested
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Om Tendolkar@OTendolkar
@BollywoodGandu Breaking news:After Sunny leone Bhatt Camp to sign Abhishek Manu Singhvi in his next
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rationalthinker
April 20th, 2012, 09:18 PM
Now I know why he is such a great spokesperson (for the Congress)!
He uses 'congress' to keep his 'spokes' clean and 'working'!:flip:

jeetiaf
April 20th, 2012, 10:27 PM
I find congressis very smart, they simply do it rather than get caught watching it in assembly session:D

jeetIAF

rahulpsharma
April 21st, 2012, 12:04 AM
I find congressis very smart, they simply do it rather than get caught watching it in assembly session:D

jeetIAF

And dont we want committed 'performers' rather than spectators today!!!! :)...

Parijataka
April 21st, 2012, 07:46 AM
Well, well, well, another Congress man caught with pants down. Congress, truly GOP of India in all respects.

rahulpsharma
April 21st, 2012, 10:24 AM
Well, well, well, another Congress man caught with pants down. Congress, truly GOP of India in all respects.

He wasnt caught with his pants down alone.... There was someone else too with her panties down and FYI she isnt from Congress....

swami
April 21st, 2012, 10:32 AM
And now you will say she initiated the act and it was not congress at work:D

And your answer in the next post will be like corruption even these acts are natural and should be legalized :smartass:
He wasnt caught with his pants down alone.... There was someone else too with her panties down and FYI she isnt from Congress....

rahulpsharma
April 21st, 2012, 10:49 AM
And now you will say she initiated the act and it was not congress at work:D

And your answer in the next post will be like corruption even these acts are natural and should be legalized :smartass:

No the point I was driving at is that this is all a function of opportunity.... While Singhvi happens to be a congressi doesnt accentuate his desire to have sex any more than the lady's who is NOT a congressi....!! So the classification on the basis of congress is factually and fundamentally wrong....

The poster is trying to insinuate that inasmuch he's a congressi, he did it.... I am saying that there was another person in the act too.... who was not a congressi.... So bringing congress into all this is nonsense...!!!

By that extrapolation, I might present the fact like 'another lawyer caught with panties down'..... Or 'one more female caught with panties down'..... Or 'one more middle aged female caught with panties down'......!!!

rahulpsharma
April 21st, 2012, 10:52 AM
And now you will say she initiated the act and it was not congress at work:D

And your answer in the next post will be like corruption even these acts are natural and should be legalized :smartass:

Boyyyy... What has congress got to do with Singhvi having more sex....?? Believe me, if it was proved that by joining congress you become sexually more active, then except two three guys, every single BJP member would have defected to Congress overnight... Why just BJP, every single Indian would have applied for Congress' Party Worker Post, overnight....!!! :)....

swami
April 21st, 2012, 10:57 AM
Haram ka paisa makes you an Aiyaash and congressis top both :D
Boyyyy... What has congress got to do with Singhvi having more sex....?? Believe me, if it was proved that by joining congress you become sexually more active, then except two three guys, every single BJP member would have defected to Congress overnight... Why just BJP, every single Indian would have applied for Congress' Party Worker Post, overnight....!!! :)....

rahulpsharma
April 21st, 2012, 10:59 AM
And now you will say she initiated the act and it was not congress at work:D

And your answer in the next post will be like corruption even these acts are natural and should be legalized :smartass:

I have never spoken about legalizing corruption.... I have always tried to say that since its difficult to prove it, why waste time, focus and energy in just war of words with those who are much too proficient in the game.... So for the moment concentrate on what you immediately want and ignore how it is delivered.....!! Its like taking up the issue of Global Warming, after the streets and atmosphere is cleared of all the visible dust and garbage....

rahulpsharma
April 21st, 2012, 10:59 AM
Haram ka paisa makes you an Aiyaash and congressis top both :D

So did that lady lawyer too had haram kaa paisa....??

Dead On Arrival
April 21st, 2012, 11:12 AM
Haram ka paisa makes you an Aiyaash and congressis top both :D

Tsk! What has congress to do someone's desire to have sex?
And why single congress? Is it because you consider it the only party with potent men?

jeetiaf
April 21st, 2012, 10:21 PM
And dont we want committed 'performers' rather than spectators today!!!! :)...
it is not bad, he had consensual sex with the lady:), now who made CD is another question but it doesn't change is political outlook at all. while watching porn when assembly is in session is far much serious offense. Half of the CMs sleeping when MMS convened discussion on NCTC is even bigger offense

jeetIAF

sarv_shaktimaan
April 22nd, 2012, 01:11 AM
he's a politician who needs to be flogged for any fault of his.. period. Why did he let it be recorded in the first place? now suffer the consequences. :clap:

laundebaaz
April 22nd, 2012, 01:11 AM
A great discussion going on over here.

Hamaam mein sab nange hein including you and me. Mauka mile to koi bhi chhakka maarne se nahin chookega.

Mallu Rider
April 22nd, 2012, 02:43 AM
whats the big deal ? :confused: someone slept with someone.. So what?
When did having sex become a reflection of his or her political views? I dont see anything wrong in a consensual sex.. The funny thing is this man denying it.. wtf.. Kara toh kara..

Broadly speaking, sex might not be, but penis for sure is. So if it was a penile intercourse, then it does reflect political views.

Dead On Arrival
April 22nd, 2012, 04:14 AM
Am not going to ask.. how?!:p

rahulpsharma
April 22nd, 2012, 08:36 AM
Broadly speaking, sex might not be, but penis for sure is. So if it was a penile intercourse, then it does reflect political views.

I think it was senile intercourse...

PeaceSeeker
April 22nd, 2012, 08:37 AM
now this:doh::doh:

5 ministers of Kiran Reddy govt & 2 Cong MPs involved in sex racket (http://http://www.sunday-guardian.com/investigation/top-politicians-in-wife-husband-sex-ring)


Five ministers in the Kiran Kumar Reddy Cabinet and two Congress MPs were regular customers of Tara Chowdary, a small-time Telugu actress who was arrested by the police on 31 March in Hyderabad for running a sex racket. The Banjara Hills police, however, has not released the names of the VIPs involved, saying her claim has to be verified. But two of the suspects have hit the headlines by issuing denials. They are Congress' Guntur MP Rayapati Sambasiva Rao and Agriculture Minister Kanna Lakshminarayana.

Tara was helped in her activities by her husband R. Durga Prasad, a one-time client of hers, and his friend Haneef, a computer expert, who handled the audio and video recordings. "I want to give up this life and lead a clean life in Bangalore, please forgive me," is the plea Tara has made in her statement.

Tara told the police that the Guntur MP used to send his gunmen to fetch her and her girls. She also alleged that he had offered her Rs 1 cr to name minister Lakshminarayana, his political rival. "They are threatening me to use me in their political games," she told the police. But both the MP and the minister denied engaging her call girls.

http://www.sunday-guardian.com//administrator/iupload/tara-chowdary-3_1335020413.gif
Tara Chowdary

"As an MP I keep meeting several people and she is one of the many. But I never sent my gunmen to get girls from Tara and never offered her any money to implicate the minister," Sambasiva Rao told this newspaper. Minister Lakshminarayana refused to talk about the matter: "Let all things come out in the investigation." The MP said he was ready to face a CBI probe.

http://www.sunday-guardian.com/administrator/iupload/cong-mp-rayapat_1335020486.gif
Rayapati Sambasiva Rao

"She (Tara) has cleverly recorded all her conversations on her mobile and stored them in her laptop too. So it is a matter of minutes before we find out who all were in touch with her and the nature of their links," a senior police officer told this newspaper. The police has also found 200 audio CDs featuring conversations with clients. Using spy cams, Tara also videotaped the sexual activities of her clients to "extort money from them" and to keep the girls under her control. The officer has been getting calls from several politicians and business tycoons to know whether their names feature on Tara's list.

Tara and her network of call girls were also hired by a young TDP MLA, two former MLCs, a top Telugu hero, another hero whose films are not doing well, the brother of a top hero, two IAS officers and three IPS officers above the rank of DIG and a retired DGP.

In fact, former DGP, M. Bhaskar has moved the high court seeking anticipatory bail in the case. When contacted, Bhakar said, "I filed this petition to avoid arrest as well as police harassment in this case. I know Tara, but she used to contact me for seeking home guard jobs to some girls known to her. Nothing more than that."

Tara, whose original name is Ravella Rajeswari, in her confession to the police has admitted that she has been running the sex racket since 2005. A heroine of three films, Tara maintained a team of two dozen girls to run a costly network in Hyderabad, Vizag and Bangalore.

Belonging to the backward Prakasam district, Tara studied up to BA and came to Hyderabad in 2002 to become a heroine. After failing to get good offers, she plunged into this line and quickly set up a network of call girls. Her house and a nearby guesthouse on Road No 2, Banjara Hills, used to be visited by many VIPs.

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Kanna Lakshminarayana

Her modus operandi of getting girls was simple. She would send girls aspiring to become heroines to the clients, touted as potential producers. She also used to visit malls and pubs to shop for girls, and offered them huge amounts of money if they agreed to join her network. "I used to pay Rs 15,000 per week to each of my girls," Tara told the police.

She used to charge from her clients huge sums ranging from Rs 50,000 to Rs 1 lakh per session. But she would blackmail whoever stopped visiting her or refused to pay more money. Even the girls who refused to continue were threatened of exposure.

Tara was arrested by the police based on a complaint lodged by a girl, Sri Lakshmi, from Visakhapatnam in the last week of March. Tara was arrested in 2005 too, but was let off because of pressure from top police officers. Tara used to flaunt a photo of her with late CM Y.S.R. Reddy to prevent the police from catching her

PeaceSeeker
April 22nd, 2012, 08:44 AM
the news is more than a week old. the free electronic media has hardly covered singhvi episode and this one. i did not see any of it on any tv news channel.

BJP needs to learn how to handle media:doh::doh:. They gave media its freedom and are now foolishly watching it switch sides:doh::doh:

Arrested actor’s claims keep VIPs on tenterhooks (http://dailypioneer.com/nation/57515-arrested-actors-claims-keep-vips-on-tenterhooks-.html)

rahulpsharma
April 24th, 2012, 02:02 AM
Setting high standards of Parliamentary Proceedings Mr. Singhvi has resigned from his post to AVOID UN-NECESSARY furore over a meaningless issue that is likely to further divert the focus and attention of this country once again....!!!

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Stung-by-CD-row-Abhishek-Manu-Singhvi-quits-Congress-House-posts/articleshow/12844083.cms (http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Stung-by-CD-row-Abhishek-Manu-Singhvi-quits-Congress-House-posts/articleshow/12844083.cms)

chaiwaala
April 24th, 2012, 08:11 PM
Setting high standards of Parliamentary Proceedings Mr. Singhvi has resigned from his post to AVOID UN-NECESSARY furore over a meaningless issue that is likely to further divert the focus and attention of this country once again....!!!

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Stung-by-CD-row-Abhishek-Manu-Singhvi-quits-Congress-House-posts/articleshow/12844083.cms (http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Stung-by-CD-row-Abhishek-Manu-Singhvi-quits-Congress-House-posts/articleshow/12844083.cms)

Rahul, it looks like Sonia ji has abandoned Singhvi ji to his fate. Tsk, tsk. :D


The Congress reacted to the belated BJP offensive on the CD row, after having kept quiet for all these days, by saying the opposition party had no moral right to lecture on the morality after its MLAs in Karnataka and Gujarat were allegedly caught watching porn in the assembly.

However, the remark did not hide indications that Congress may have left Singhvi to fend for himself, with no leader from the party or the government coming to his defence. As the MP railed against the social media, telecom minister Kapil Sibal fended off queries on the need for restrictions on social media, saying, "It is an individual issue. An individual is entitled to seek relief from the courts. Government cannot be commenting on this issue...This government has not taken a single step to curb social media. We want a public discourse on the issue. There is no reason for anyone to fear.''


That was from the tail-end of the link you posted.

However, I do feel sorry for Singhvi ji. To have some jerk film your carnal sessions clandestinely and then post it on the internet is embarrassing to say the least.

rahulpsharma
April 24th, 2012, 09:24 PM
Rahul, it looks like Sonia ji has abandoned Singhvi ji to his fate. Tsk, tsk. :D



That was from the tail-end of the link you posted.

However, I do feel sorry for Singhvi ji. To have some jerk film your carnal sessions clandestinely and then post it on the internet is embarrassing to say the least.

Should you not appreciate Sonia for not tolerating misdemeanor in public life?? She hasnt done this for the first time.. Dashing doyens like Natwar Singh and loud mouths like Ajit Jogis were shown the door in the blink of an eye, even before a controversy emerges to take shape..!! I think this is phenomenal in face of examples set by BJP against Uma Bharti/Jaswant Singh (Mole in PMO embarassment)..

chaiwaala
April 25th, 2012, 01:46 PM
Should you not appreciate Sonia for not tolerating misdemeanor in public life?? She hasnt done this for the first time.. Dashing doyens like Natwar Singh and loud mouths like Ajit Jogis were shown the door in the blink of an eye, even before a controversy emerges to take shape..!! I think this is phenomenal in face of examples set by BJP against Uma Bharti/Jaswant Singh (Mole in PMO embarassment)..

You make preposterous assertions, Rahul.

Why should I appreciate Sonia Gandhi for this?

Why did Singhvi quit from a couple of the positions he was holding? Let's speculate:

1. He quit merely due to embarrassment over a leaked adulterous sexual encounter.
2. There's more to it than we know. The BJP is alleging that there was a quid pro quo element in the sex. Judgeship in exchange. I don't know if there is any truth to this.

One more thing. There's far more to the video that what was released publicly. They released a heavily-edited 12-minute version, while the original is apparently more than an hour long.

Whatever be the reason Singhvi quit, Sonia Gandhi should speak up. If he quit merely due to embarrassment, she should point out how flagrant a breach of privacy it is to film someone secretly when they are having sex.

On the other hand, if there is more to the issue at hand than a mere sexual peccadillo, Sonia Gandhi should speak up too.

Singhvi says the video is doctored. Yeah? They all say that. You know Swami Nithyananda said that. And so did N.D. Tiwari. It's the first line of defence. I'd be skeptical of this assertion.

Sonia ji is maintaining a studied silence. We have no clue why the man quit. So what is there to appreciate in the conduct of Sonia Gandhi? — she's hiding info, like a typical Bharatiya netaji. I'd like to see a public statement from her about this whole saga. Why the silence?

Here she is — not giving us the info, and you want me to appreciate her for this?

The political culture in this country utterly lacks transparency. Even the BJP-wallahs, in whichever state they rule, hide info to the max extent possible. No different from the Congress-wallahs. There are a few individual exceptions, that's all.

So anyway ... I don't see anything to appreciate in Sonia Gandhi's way of dealing with this. It's the same old, same old. People at the top of food chain, like Sonia Gandhi, should set a better example of information-sharing. To use your language, that's the right rational demand to make of our leaders, instead of trying to find excuses for every crap the politicians do. One person at the top of the food chain who conducts himself or herself well can inspire many others. Why is it that you don't understand this simple concept?

Still ... it's early days yet. May be Sonia Gandhi will speak up and explain what she thinks of the whole incident. And no, there's nothing to appreciate so far about her handling of this issue.

PS: Sorry for being rather repetitive in the post.

rahulpsharma
April 25th, 2012, 07:44 PM
You make preposterous assertions, Rahul.

Why should I appreciate Sonia Gandhi for this?

Why did Singhvi quit from a couple of the positions he was holding? Let's speculate:

1. He quit merely due to embarrassment over a leaked adulterous sexual encounter.
2. There's more to it than we know. The BJP is alleging that there was a quid pro quo element in the sex. Judgeship in exchange. I don't know if there is any truth to this.

One more thing. There's far more to the video that what was released publicly. They released a heavily-edited 12-minute version, while the original is apparently more than an hour long.

Whatever be the reason Singhvi quit, Sonia Gandhi should speak up. If he quit merely due to embarrassment, she should point out how flagrant a breach of privacy it is to film someone secretly when they are having sex.

On the other hand, if there is more to the issue at hand than a mere sexual peccadillo, Sonia Gandhi should speak up too.

Singhvi says the video is doctored. Yeah? They all say that. You know Swami Nithyananda said that. And so did N.D. Tiwari. It's the first line of defence. I'd be skeptical of this assertion.

Sonia ji is maintaining a studied silence. We have no clue why the man quit. So what is there to appreciate in the conduct of Sonia Gandhi? — she's hiding info, like a typical Bharatiya netaji. I'd like to see a public statement from her about this whole saga. Why the silence?

Here she is — not giving us the info, and you want me to appreciate her for this?

The political culture in this country utterly lacks transparency. Even the BJP-wallahs, in whichever state they rule, hide info to the max extent possible. No different from the Congress-wallahs. There are a few individual exceptions, that's all.

So anyway ... I don't see anything to appreciate in Sonia Gandhi's way of dealing with this. It's the same old, same old. People at the top of food chain, like Sonia Gandhi, should set a better example of information-sharing. To use your language, that's the right rational demand to make of our leaders, instead of trying to find excuses for every crap the politicians do. One person at the top of the food chain who conducts himself or herself well can inspire many others. Why is it that you don't understand this simple concept?

Still ... it's early days yet. May be Sonia Gandhi will speak up and explain what she thinks of the whole incident. And no, there's nothing to appreciate so far about her handling of this issue.

PS: Sorry for being rather repetitive in the post.

I would any day study the actions of a person more than his words.... BJP guys are full of words....!! I think, Sonia is not a natural orator.... She has the handicap of language too.... Her every single word, action and move is subjected to intense scrutiniy of a billion masses.....!!! So if I were her, even I would show what I mean thru my actions... The moment anyone, you me or sonia, begins to use words, controversies and interpretations would follow....!!! As I said, she's controversy averse.... So she prefers to stay silent....!!! Yes, your demand for a statement would hold merit if some welknown orator like Singhvi himself had gone silent....!!!

rationalthinker
April 25th, 2012, 09:43 PM
Her 'lack of oratory skills did not deter her from caloling NaMo 'Maut ka saudagar'!

rahulpsharma
April 26th, 2012, 12:18 AM
Her 'lack of oratory skills did not deter her from caloling NaMo 'Maut ka saudagar'!

And someone of your right wing Superior Hindus called her 'Italian Kutree'... Any decent person will be able to tell which one is a finer phrase to use....

jeetiaf
April 26th, 2012, 01:34 AM
Case is hush hush and will remain so:) And it is politics of power, so rules of engagement are dirty since kautilyas time:D, these netas are no different from public that they represent:). Not a single person of the pubic can stand in a line at ticket counters but everyone will be first to point who is breaking it:D

jeetIAF

rahulpsharma
April 26th, 2012, 02:31 AM
case is hush hush and will remain so:) and it is politics of power, so rules of engagement are dirty since kautilyas time:d, these netas are no different from public that they represent:). Not a single person of the pubic can stand in a line at ticket counters but everyone will be first to point who is breaking it:d

jeetiaf

exactly....!!!

chaiwaala
April 26th, 2012, 07:35 AM
I would any day study the actions of a person more than his words.... BJP guys are full of words....!! I think, Sonia is not a natural orator.... She has the handicap of language too.... Her every single word, action and move is subjected to intense scrutiniy of a billion masses.....!!! So if I were her, even I would show what I mean thru my actions... The moment anyone, you me or sonia, begins to use words, controversies and interpretations would follow....!!! As I said, she's controversy averse.... So she prefers to stay silent....!!! Yes, your demand for a statement would hold merit if some welknown orator like Singhvi himself had gone silent....!!!

Good try, but that excuse doesn't wash.

Assuming that she is not a good orator or she has language issues, her office can release a written statement approved by her. It's done all over the world, BTW. In your language, this is the right rational demand to make of Sonia, instead of finding excuses for every crap the lady does.

If she really wanted to share info, she would have found a way to do it. Fact is, she does not. She is showing the typical Bharatiya netaji tendency — hide info from the public to the max extent possible.

Why did Singhvi quit? Do you know? I don't know. That's why I am saying there should be a clarification from Sonia about this. We don't know if he quit merely due to an adulterous sexual affair, or there's something more. Public is entitled to know. Sonia can't just sweep it under the rug because it's inconvenient to talk about.

And Singhvi giving a statement is way different from the top boss giving a statement.

Sonia ... she seems to want to combine the worst of the West with the worst of the East? She could be performing a lot better. It's not enough to win elections after making fake-ass promises to the public; once you win, you have to get things done. If she knows that the public is so sub-standard, why make all those poll promises in the first place, promising the sun and the moon?

rahulpsharma
April 26th, 2012, 08:01 AM
Good try, but that excuse doesn't wash.

Assuming that she is not a good orator or she has language issues, her office can release a written statement approved by her. It's done all over the world, BTW. In your language, this is the right rational demand to make of Sonia, instead of finding excuses for every crap the lady does.

If she really wanted to share info, she would have found a way to do it. Fact is, she does not. She is showing the typical Bharatiya netaji tendency — hide info from the public to the max extent possible.

Why did Singhvi quit? Do you know? I don't know. That's why I am saying there should be a clarification from Sonia about this. We don't know if he quit merely due to an adulterous sexual affair, or there's something more. Public is entitled to know. Sonia can't just sweep it under the rug because it's inconvenient to talk about.

And Singhvi giving a statement is way different from the top boss giving a statement.

Sonia ... she seems to want to combine the worst of the West with the worst of the East? She could be performing a lot better. It's not enough to win elections after making fake-ass promises to the public; once you win, you have to get things done. If she knows that the public is so sub-standard, why make all those poll promises in the first place, promising the sun and the moon?

The fact that Singhvi quit over an issue that is a taboo in this country, is an enuf explaination.... If someone has deeper insight and evidence in the whole story then let them come out with evidence.... Singhvi has quit on his own.... He submitted his resignation.... The Party accepted it.... Period.... For me, 'in my language', even a discussion over this issue is unwarranted.... You know what my demands are.... Singhvi's having sex is not going to reduce mosquitoe deaths in mumbai nor is it going to clean up the roads or fill the potholes here in my vicinity.... So I dont really care, if Sonia gives a statement or not....!!!

PeaceSeeker
April 26th, 2012, 09:57 AM
Setting high standards of Parliamentary Proceedings Mr. Singhvi has resigned from his post to AVOID UN-NECESSARY furore over a meaningless issue that is likely to further divert the focus and attention of this country once again....!!!

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Stung-by-CD-row-Abhishek-Manu-Singhvi-quits-Congress-House-posts/articleshow/12844083.cms (http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Stung-by-CD-row-Abhishek-Manu-Singhvi-quits-Congress-House-posts/articleshow/12844083.cms)

:D
RPS, i agree that sonia ji looks elegant and beautiful even at this age. lekin itna maska mat maaro kongressiyon ko.

Singhvi ji excused himself from parliament bcoz he will be unable to face ANYONE in public today. He is nowhere to be seen on media. Not on any public fora. Dont expect him to be. For at least some time to come.

May be it was his personal life which should not be given too much weight-age. But hey this is India. Rest assured, even if India becomes as 'modern' and 'open-minded' as u want to be, he would have had a touch time facing his wife n family.

For god's sake, even Bill Clinton became a matter of public scrutiny & showdown. And Hillary did not exactly 'overlooked' the matter. The trauma he went through was no less.

Lot of Indians are known to act more 'modern' than even USofA. Dont do it.

Society has its opinions, customs, traditions, values. The only thing which can enable a person to give a shit to societal values is his or her inner conviction. And you would agree that in cases involving fulfillment of carnal desires, inner conviction is not exactly the reason.

And btw, the act in this case was in exchange of certain assurance given regarding she being made a judge. Saala, now I know why the judiciary is screwed up. Its bcoz BJs decide Judges:D

rahulpsharma
April 26th, 2012, 11:17 AM
:D
Singhvi ji excused himself from parliament bcoz he will be unable to face ANYONE in public today. He is nowhere to be seen on media. Not on any public fora. Dont expect him to be. For at least some time to come.


That's right, PS... Only people with some dignity and self respect feel such pinches....

rahulpsharma
April 26th, 2012, 11:23 AM
:D
RPS, i agree that sonia ji looks elegant and beautiful even at this age. lekin itna maska mat maaro kongressiyon ko.

Singhvi ji excused himself from parliament bcoz he will be unable to face ANYONE in public today. He is nowhere to be seen on media. Not on any public fora. Dont expect him to be. For at least some time to come.

May be it was his personal life which should not be given too much weight-age. But hey this is India. Rest assured, even if India becomes as 'modern' and 'open-minded' as u want to be, he would have had a touch time facing his wife n family.

For god's sake, even Bill Clinton became a matter of public scrutiny & showdown. And Hillary did not exactly 'overlooked' the matter. The trauma he went through was no less.

Lot of Indians are known to act more 'modern' than even USofA. Dont do it.

Society has its opinions, customs, traditions, values. The only thing which can enable a person to give a shit to societal values is his or her inner conviction. And you would agree that in cases involving fulfillment of carnal desires, inner conviction is not exactly the reason.

And btw, the act in this case was in exchange of certain assurance given regarding she being made a judge. Saala, now I know why the judiciary is screwed up. Its bcoz BJs decide Judges:D

Every male is adulterous fundamentally.... And every wife knows that all too well.... He surely would have tough time facing his wife more because of the attached societal stigmas rather than his own deed....!!! You de-stigmatize adultry and there will be no shame and hence no trauma....!! Social Stigmas are not absolute..... Our own scriptures are replete with cases of adultry, polygamy, polyandry etc.... But since in those days, it wasnt really a stigma, it never was an issue too....!!

PeaceSeeker
April 27th, 2012, 08:38 AM
That's right, PS... Only people with some dignity and self respect feel such pinches....
:D. not to have those is a pre-requisite before being 'successful' in des these days. more so in politics. exceptions barred. u would agree.

Every male is adulterous fundamentally.... And every wife knows that all too well.... He surely would have tough time facing his wife more because of the attached societal stigmas rather than his own deed....!!! You de-stigmatize adultry and there will be no shame and hence no trauma....!! Social Stigmas are not absolute..... Our own scriptures are replete with cases of adultry, polygamy, polyandry etc.... But since in those days, it wasnt really a stigma, it never was an issue too....!!

once again, not every wife.
and whether she knows it or not, most women wont like it. even firangi women do not tolerate extra marital of their husbands. u would agree.
scriptures and all, we have discussed enough or will discuss later. adultry might have been there. but was never socially approved/accepted.

AmthaLal
April 27th, 2012, 08:44 AM
Every male is adulterous fundamentally.... And every wife knows that all too well.... He surely would have tough time facing his wife more because of the attached societal stigmas rather than his own deed....!!! You de-stigmatize adultry and there will be no shame and hence no trauma....!! Social Stigmas are not absolute..... Our own scriptures are replete with cases of adultry, polygamy, polyandry etc.... But since in those days, it wasnt really a stigma, it never was an issue too....!!



What world are you living in my friend?

Oh! I forgot.


No woman in the world will tolerate her husband's extra marital affair unless she herself is a ho or the ones in islamic countries where women have no rights.

rahulpsharma
April 27th, 2012, 09:47 AM
What world are you living in my friend?

Oh! I forgot.


No woman in the world will tolerate her husband's extra marital affair unless she herself is a ho or the ones in islamic countries where women have no rights.

Our own Maharaja Dashrath had many wives and Kunti and Madri had many husbands....!! that's all well documented in our scriptures.... And it was well accepted too.... Because, may be, there was no social stigma surrounding those acts then.... Today there is....!! So its not the act which is shameful.... Its the response of the society to the act which makes it so....!!

rahulpsharma
April 27th, 2012, 09:49 AM
:D. not to have those is a pre-requisite before being 'successful' in des these days. more so in politics. exceptions barred. u would agree.



once again, not every wife.
and whether she knows it or not, most women wont like it. even firangi women do not tolerate extra marital of their husbands. u would agree.
scriptures and all, we have discussed enough or will discuss later. adultry might have been there. but was never socially approved/accepted.

Lord Krishna, the biggest symbol of Hinduism is an answer to all your questions....!! Half the Hindus might not even know the name of Krishna's official wife...!!

rahulpsharma
April 27th, 2012, 09:52 AM
What world are you living in my friend?

Oh! I forgot.


No woman in the world will tolerate her husband's extra marital affair unless she herself is a ho or the ones in islamic countries where women have no rights.

Krishna ni karma bhoomi maa rahu chu, Amtha bhai....!!! Krishna ne tame bhooli jaao, e naa chaale.... :)...

AmthaLal
April 27th, 2012, 10:50 AM
Our own Maharaja Dashrath had many wives and Kunti and Madri had many husbands....!! that's all well documented in our scriptures.... And it was well accepted too.... Because, may be, there was no social stigma surrounding those acts then.... Today there is....!! So its not the act which is shameful.... Its the response of the society to the act which makes it so....!!


In scriptures.

How about this. Not being personal.
Ask your better half ( If you are married), that how will she react if you start moonh maaroing.:D

Lord Krishna, the biggest symbol of Hinduism is an answer to all your questions....!! Half the Hindus might not even know the name of Krishna's official wife...!!


Agree.:up:

And hate those assholes/bitches (have few in family) who brag about the religion with half baked knowledge. They try to drag your ass in their cult/mandir.:mad:

rahulpsharma
April 27th, 2012, 10:59 AM
In scriptures.

How about this. Not being personal.
Ask your better half ( If you are married), that how will she react if you start moonh maaroing.:D




Agree.:up:

And hate those assholes/bitches (have few in family) who brag about the religion with half baked knowledge. They try to drag your ass in their cult/mandir.:mad:

She's also a product of today's society which has sought to stigmatize adultry.... So naturally she too cant think away from what the society has taught her....!!

rahulpsharma
April 27th, 2012, 11:01 AM
In scriptures.

How about this. Not being personal.
Ask your better half ( If you are married), that how will she react if you start moonh maaroing.:D




Agree.:up:

And hate those assholes/bitches (have few in family) who brag about the religion with half baked knowledge. They try to drag your ass in their cult/mandir.:mad:

The biggest religion is spontaneity.... Whether it is routine work or love, if there's no spontaneity nothing seems blissful....!!

PeaceSeeker
April 27th, 2012, 08:30 PM
Our own Maharaja Dashrath had many wives and Kunti and Madri had many husbands....!! that's all well documented in our scriptures.... And it was well accepted too.... Because, may be, there was no social stigma surrounding those acts then.... Today there is....!! So its not the act which is shameful.... Its the response of the society to the act which makes it so....!!

Lord Krishna, the biggest symbol of Hinduism is an answer to all your questions....!! Half the Hindus might not even know the name of Krishna's official wife...!!

Same examples so oft repeated:doh: Madri, Draupadi, Dashrath, Krishna:doh:
Exceptions are not the norm.
Ram's single patni-vrat dharm is admired & adored. Not Dashrath's polygamous life. Krishna's LOVE for Radha is admired & adored. Not his polygamous life.
Draupadi had to give up Surya Putra bcoz of social acceptance issues.
Repeating, exceptions are not norms. 4 ya 5 examples do not mean a green signal to all and acceptability from all.

rahulpsharma
April 27th, 2012, 11:44 PM
Same examples so oft repeated:doh: Madri, Draupadi, Dashrath, Krishna:doh:
Exceptions are not the norm.
Ram's single patni-vrat dharm is admired & adored. Not Dashrath's polygamous life. Krishna's LOVE for Radha is admired & adored. Not his polygamous life.
Draupadi had to give up Surya Putra bcoz of social acceptance issues.
Repeating, exceptions are not norms. 4 ya 5 examples do not mean a green signal to all and acceptability from all.

Scriptures during Mahabharat and Ramayan times could not have written down the biographies of every of every single men women and children.... Obviously.... So symbolism are the only effective means of learning the common lifestyles of yesterdays/yester years....!! So we keep repeating and picking up Krishna/Kuntis.... I mean, there must have been a rahulpsharma and Peaceseeker too, in those good old days, but they died anonymous.... So naturally they werent recorded.... Therefore repeating about them is meaningless.....

PeaceSeeker
April 28th, 2012, 07:09 AM
Scriptures during Mahabharat and Ramayan times could not have written down the biographies of every of every single men women and children.... Obviously.... So symbolism are the only effective means of learning the common lifestyles of yesterdays/yester years....!! So we keep repeating and picking up Krishna/Kuntis.... I mean, there must have been a rahulpsharma and Peaceseeker too, in those good old days, but they died anonymous.... So naturally they werent recorded.... Therefore repeating about them is meaningless.....

but there were 500 others whose stories were recorded. why make an example from 5 instead of 500. were those the only 5 biggest role models of their times?

why beat around the bush?

its a fact that our culture treated (& treats) SEX as a VALUABLE thing, its not just another thing to do & get over with, its not something which does not matter.

its a fact that women cant/dont like/allow/tolerate extra marital (on a side note, a woman can be surprisingly different pre-marriage & post marriage).

so, except for exceptions, norms apply & are adhered to. even today in india, law applies to normal ppl. vips are treated as expcetionals. u know what i mean?

ismey naa maan-ney waali kaun si baat hai?

if u r saying lot of ppl are adulterous privately, that may be right. but thats private & hidden bcoz it not approved & accepted. dont tell me that 100% are adulterous so they should do it openly:rolleyes:

we can differ & debate on treatments meted out to adulterous relationships but there is nothing much to differ on above.

swami
April 28th, 2012, 07:32 AM
Itne bade bade post tumlog khud likhte ho ke copy paste karte ho :dontknow:

PeaceSeeker
April 28th, 2012, 08:40 AM
khud copy-paste

rahulpsharma
April 28th, 2012, 10:39 AM
but there were 500 others whose stories were recorded. why make an example from 5 instead of 500. were those the only 5 biggest role models of their times?

why beat around the bush?

its a fact that our culture treated (& treats) SEX as a VALUABLE thing, its not just another thing to do & get over with, its not something which does not matter.

its a fact that women cant/dont like/allow/tolerate extra marital (on a side note, a woman can be surprisingly different pre-marriage & post marriage).

so, except for exceptions, norms apply & are adhered to. even today in india, law applies to normal ppl. vips are treated as expcetionals. u know what i mean?

ismey naa maan-ney waali kaun si baat hai?

if u r saying lot of ppl are adulterous privately, that may be right. but thats private & hidden bcoz it not approved & accepted. dont tell me that 100% are adulterous so they should do it openly:rolleyes:

we can differ & debate on treatments meted out to adulterous relationships but there is nothing much to differ on above.

The statement is incomplete.... You need to also add the phrase 'in today's times'....!!

As for the law is concerned adultry is a crime NOT because it violates the emotional balance of a female BUT because adultry is treated as stealing the property of another male - his wife....!!

kkkk
April 28th, 2012, 02:19 PM
The statement is incomplete.... You need to also add the phrase 'in today's times'....!!

As for the law is concerned adultry is a crime NOT because it violates the emotional balance of a female BUT because adultry is treated as stealing the property of another male - his wife....!!

bass kya you are writing as if the crime is only what the male does. even the females contribution to this is called adultery under the relevant conditions i.e. being married to someone else etc...

rahulpsharma
April 28th, 2012, 08:46 PM
bass kya you are writing as if the crime is only what the male does. even the females contribution to this is called adultery under the relevant conditions i.e. being married to someone else etc...

That's what the irony is... Legally, a female is not considered guilty....!! Its the male for whom law has a provision for punishment for adultry....!!