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Parijataka
April 2nd, 2011, 10:23 AM
By Alex Pomero
in a Croatian Newspaper

Project Thessalonica is a sub-project of Joshua Project II. Joshua Project II set the scope and strategy for converting the "heathen" of the world in 10-40 window (regions that lie between the latitudes of 10 and 40 degrees north) whereas project Thessalonica (called PT) prioritizes the tasks to be taken. Joshua Project II strategized the methodology called 'Adopt-a-peoples' wherein every mission agency or church adopted a 'people group'. Tribals were the first and easy missionary targets. Unfortunately the missionary activity didn't weaken Hinduism as the church strategists had anticipated - many of the converts still celebrated and attended Hindu festivals and continued to follow Hindu traditions. As a counter measure Project Thessalonica was started in 2004. Before getting into the details of Project Thessalonica it will be useful to look at the origins of the name of the project.

Thessalonica was a major port city strategically located at the junction of the main land route from Italy to the east and the main route from the Danube down to the Aegean Sea. It was the capital of the Roman province of Macedonia, a free city ruled by a popular assembly and magistrates. The people of this city were rich, technologically advanced and culturally distinct. Paul and Silas, during the Apostle's second missionary journey, visited Thessalonica to preach the Gospel and propagate Christianity. However, Paul's teachings received a lukewarm response from the people. Some locals irritated by Paul's teachings got a hold of Jason and his brothers, who were hosting Paul, and took them to city officials. They were charged with harboring traitors, but faced no physical harm. They were eventually made to post a bond and set free. In 390 AD, the Christian ruler Theodosius the Great, punished a revolt by the inhabitants of the city by massacring more than 7000 people. Much of the city was eventually converted to Christianity.

Hindus in India today are in the same situation as the people of Thessalonica found themselves in at the time of Paul. They are prosperous economically and culturally and extremely tolerant of other people and faiths. The government is completely indifferent to the activities of the missionaries in India, in spite of the tremendous damage that missionary activity has wrought on the local population all over India. Seen in this context, the choice of "Thessalonica" as a name for a project focused on converting Hindus of India to Christianity seems particularly apt.

Project Thessalonica aims to stop or limit Hindu activity by converting people who form the pillars of Hindu culture, festivals, traditions and activity. Traditionally missionaries hate any public expression or display of heathen religions in the form of festivals and temples. Missions want to ensure that no new temple construction activity starts. With this objective they are converting masons, craftsmen and others involved in temple construction activity. The First Baptist Church of Nashville, Tennessee adopted towns where the annual Kumbh Mela takes place and has been actively converting the locals so that visitors face extreme hardship during their next visit trying to find services and supplies. Another mission group is adopting boatmen of Kashi where Hindus drop rice balls in river Ganges as an offering to their forefathers. The boatsmen are being trained in other fields so that they abandon this profession. They are making environmental groups raise the voice so that Ganesh processions, Kumbh Melas and Jagannath Rath Yatras are limited. One big worry seems to the extremely popular Hindu television programs. Christian agencies have decided on buying these prime slots at a premium and are actively working with programming sources. Over the past 20 years, missionaries also appear to have invested a lot in handling the political leadership, so much so that their activities appear to be almost immune to the ruling political party. It seems that a good section of media is also on their side to such an extent that any group opposing their activity finds itself identified as a militant or extremist group in the news media.

Full story (http://www.christianaggression.org/item_display.php?id=1130133787&type=articles)

Sane Less
April 2nd, 2011, 03:23 PM
The pope and his curch people are idiots... they have not an ounce of intelligence. If you remember there was this case in the news in India a few years back... where a catholic girl was shot dead in some bar cause she did not give drinks to some rich bigshot. Well, the church could have used this case to its advantage and shown the world what christian spirit is. But did they? Nope... they let it go... not a whimper from Rome or elsewhere.

If at that time they had come together... and forgiven that rich minister's son in the spirit of christianity, not only would the rich minister had converted but so had a lot of his supporter... and the victim's side would have brought their own conversions. A lot of time, money and disappointments would have been saved. And they wouldn't have made a arty farty movie on it and tortured its viewers to no end, which in itself would have borne its fruits. What better harvest could they have reaped:confused:

Metafours
April 2nd, 2011, 03:25 PM
Om Sweet Om!!!

Randheer
April 2nd, 2011, 07:38 PM
They will not succeed.

Hinduism is too strong spritually, philosphically and beyond their comprehension. :up:

Soon people will be bored of all missionaries and the drama they create :D.

Hinduism is a natural religion and not a fantacy of some one.

Randheer
April 2nd, 2011, 07:48 PM
Saneless, about Christian Forgiveness, all the Converts also now that Christians killed each others in millions in World Wars. :D

They don't understand Indian pshyche. All converts who have converted for greed know that their parent religion was indeed good and would reconvert with very little effort from govt and even without force.:)

If all Political Parties agree, most of the converts would be reconverted in no less time. So Missionaries may not try same in Arab countries and try to be bold in India but they do not understand India's strength.

rahulpsharma
April 2nd, 2011, 08:58 PM
Hinduism is a far too more resilent and powerful religion (or way of life) than any one can imagine....... It is the pseudo-protectors of religion who have spread the feeling that Hinduism is reeling under immense pressure of survival....... Rather Hinduism is surviving in a much better and adaptable manner....... It is adjusting itself to the liberties of the outside world while maintaining its inner beauty amongst the followers....... Just that the pseudo-protectors of religion should be discouraged from giving it a bad name....... Waging street fights is not the same as waging Mahabharat - A war for Justice and Dharma....... Hinduism is NOT going anywhere...... It's here to stay in the hearts and minds of its followers.......

Parijataka
April 2nd, 2011, 09:42 PM
Hinduism has withstood the onslaught of Islam for 1000 years, let us hope this new challenge is also weathered. I am assuming most of you guys are from Maharashtra or Gujarat or North and have not come in contact with ardent evangelists who will go to any lengths to save your soul, in South they are very active and no, it is not the `pseudo-protectors of religion` that are spreading the feeling that Hinduism is under threat, it is the other way around i.e. the so-called `pseudo-protectors of religion` are getting support from the common man.

Randheer
April 2nd, 2011, 09:53 PM
Hinduism has withstood the onslaught by Islam for 1000 years, let us hope this new challenge is also weathered.

It will and in fact, Hinduism is natural religion for USA as (Judaism+Protestant Christianity) which US majorly follows is close to Hinduism.

Hinduism never teaches any one as absolute, even trinity of Brahma/Vishnu/Mahesh all have their negatives, positives and grey areas.

Hinduism clearly separates the Trinity of Brahma/Vishnu/Mahesh from day to day politics like Indra was often screwed up for his lust for throne :D but only when it affected mankind then the Trinity use to save him. Thus Hinduism clearly separates religion from Politics and is naturally secular.

Hinduism is naturally Multipolar and encourages Team Work and is democratic and thats why its followers are best suited for corporate world.

The Hindu Captilism i.e caste system which is misused by missionaries clearly divide roles and ensures that Lower level Jobs once generated do never go away.

Caste system preserve skills and teaches skills and teaches people to be contented with what they are getting due to their caste background. Complex but e.g I being a Kshtriya am not so much ambitious for money rather than for some political power to change the society. Similarly for Vaisyas.

Hinduism rocks and all those wih inferiority complex will start believing in it ,once india starts doing good.

Randheer
April 2nd, 2011, 09:56 PM
Hinduism has withstood the onslaught of Islam for 1000 years, let us hope this new challenge is also weathered. I am assuming most of you guys are from Maharashtra or Gujarat or North and have not come in contact with ardent evangelists who will go to any lengths to save your soul, in South they are very active and no,.

Andhra Pradesh is now seeing hevay resurgence of Hindutva and surprisingly under Congress :D.

PeaceSeeker
April 2nd, 2011, 10:57 PM
Hinduism is the only religion not 'founded' by someone and is therefore directly from the superpower. There is no messenger in between [Avatars r different from messengers]. This does not mean that other religions are evil or false or bad.They are result of a super human having super natural experience and interpretation of him of that. Abrahamic trio are strategic in nature which is not expected of a religion. That makes them akin to a product which must be sold anywhichway. rop takes the cake bcoz it simply makes intelligent human beings incapable of thinking.

The strength of Hinduism is like god itself - invisible but present. If hip hindus can become unhip, this religion is not in any danger:D

Randheer
April 3rd, 2011, 05:46 AM
BTW what Missionaries do not understand that if Hindus have to convert it would be to their Headache i.e Religion of Peace Islam :D and not to Christianity.

Converting to ROP would give us Free Petrol and Free Good Bang Bang life :D

Parijataka
April 3rd, 2011, 08:08 AM
Andhra Pradesh is now seeing hevay resurgence of Hindutva and surprisingly under Congress :D.

Similar in Karnataka and Gods own country actually.

Indian
April 3rd, 2011, 10:26 AM
Similar in Gods own country actually.
we cant get some decent sambar idly in this bloody gods own place...you ask for beef biryani..they will serve any time any place. this state is too much de-hinduised. another decade or so...we should forget about hindu traces in this state...like pukeland

PeaceSeeker
April 3rd, 2011, 10:43 AM
Andhra Pradesh is now seeing hevay resurgence of Hindutva and surprisingly under Congress :D.

Similar in Karnataka and Gods own country actually.

we cant get some decent sambar idly in this bloody gods own place...you ask for beef biryani..they will serve any time any place. this state is too much de-hinduised. another decade or so...we should forget about hindu traces in this state...like pukeland
congress is ok. leftists are dangerous. bengal, the state of intellectuals, is going to dogs:(
kabir suman an elected representative is a convert....

JaiSpeaks
April 3rd, 2011, 11:00 AM
we cant get some decent sambar idly in this bloody gods own place...you ask for beef biryani..they will serve any time any place. this state is too much de-hinduised. another decade or so...we should forget about hindu traces in this state...like pukeland

which state are you talking about ?

PeaceSeeker
April 3rd, 2011, 11:02 AM
which state are you talking about ?
kerela is known as gods own country...

JaiSpeaks
April 3rd, 2011, 11:03 AM
kerela is known as gods own country...

so there are no Hindus there ? What is the percentage ?

PeaceSeeker
April 3rd, 2011, 11:06 AM
so there are no Hindus there ? What is the percentage ?
percentage ka pata nahi, no immediate threat or anything.
the muslim league after partition found its base there. recent case of the professor's hand cutted, love jihad etc are strong indications of the state being a one of the strong base of fundamentalist nature of rop..
PS [in response to a boarder's query]: 'cutted' and 'quat'/'quitted' r my-own-invented past participles of 'cut' and 'quit' respectively. pls dont look up in dictionary. yes, severed would have been a better choice

chaiwaala
April 3rd, 2011, 11:09 AM
kerela is known as gods own country...

i think that "God's Own Country" was an advertising slogan used by the tourism dept in Kerala to lure you into visiting kerala and caught on from there

chaiwaala
April 3rd, 2011, 11:13 AM
so there are no Hindus there ? What is the percentage ?

don't know much about Kerala politics but it is the only state in our country where three different religions - Hindus, Muslims and Christians - are politically well-organized and carry clout

too many political parties there. may be some mallu can shed light. always, either the congress-led front or the communists-led front is in power there. i don't think BJP carries much clout there, AFAIK

Mallu Rider
April 3rd, 2011, 01:50 PM
don't know much about Kerala politics but it is the only state in our country where three different religions - Hindus, Muslims and Christians - are politically well-organized and carry clout

too many political parties there. may be some mallu can shed light. always, either the congress-led front or the communists-led front is in power there. i don't think BJP carries much clout there, AFAIK

:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

Your eyes aren't getting worse; your arms are just getting shorter.

Parijataka
April 3rd, 2011, 08:46 PM
Well, Hindus in Kerala are mainly supporters of the the two flavours of commies CPI and CPI(M), but recent reports on net suggest lotus may open its account in coming assembly elections. A native of that state might be able to give better insight on this.

Kerala demographics (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Kerala)
Hindu - 56%
Muslim - 24%
Christian - 19

As a Hindu I am quite happy to see Bharat as a secular democracy, as proud of ex-President APJ Kalam or MMS (until UPA-II when his cowardice/complicity(?) was revealed extensively every time he made an excuse for some scam)as of say Sachin Tendulkar or the many jawans who serve our nation and who belong to different faiths. For me Hinduism is a truly liberal religion which allows each person to follow his own path and does not damn anyone for not following a particular faith or god. I have nothing against people wanting to leave Hinduism either, yet many times it is not a desire for spiritual upliftment that is the reason for conversions. I believe Hinduism has flaws (just like other religions) and that we should acknowledge that and that positive changes have happened in the past and are still happening. Since we talked about Kerala, let me say something that Swami Vivekananda said about the Pariahs of Kerala 'I have wandered into a lunatic asylum!' and that a Pariah once shunned as unclean by caste Hindus would be welcomed into their homes once he changed his name to John or Yusuf! While Hinduism discriminated against (I will not say persecuted) some of its own the Abrahaimic faiths historically persecuted infidels or kafirs committing horrific violence in the process. Having said that, I dont think I would like to see Hinduism replaced by an alien faith, that would be effacing few thousand years of our history and culture.

chaiwaala
April 9th, 2011, 05:41 PM
Here is an article, dated Oct 2008, about conversions in India:

Resolving the Conversion Conflict (http://nirmukta.com/2008/10/21/resolving-the-conversion-conflicts-a-rationalist-response-to-shashi-tharoor/)