The Stoning of Soraya M - Excellent though heart breaking and horrific

[dollyg]

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I watched this one last night via netflix.

Excellent!!! Actors are fantastic as well especially the lady playing Soraya's aunt and soraya herself.
*** Alert*** Movie is extremely disturbing true story

The story is based upon misuse of Sharia laws by Iranian's . This is a sad (and horrific true) story of Soraya whose husband Ali uses accusation of adultery to cause public stoning and elimination of her so he can marry a younger girl.

Soraya's two son's and her father are forced to participate in the stoning as well. It is the story of a culture where men stick together , even if for murder of an innocent.

THose who dont mind watching graphic reality stories (the likes of kite runner) must most definately give this a dekko.


Full story here (with spoilers) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Stoning_of_Soraya_M.)
Preview here
http://www.thestoning.com/flash.php

[Sane Less]

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The story is based upon misuse of Sharia laws by Iranian's . This is a sad (and horrific true) story of Soraya whose husband Ali uses accusation of adultery to cause public stoning and elimination of her so he can marry a younger girl.

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Misuse:confused:... really:dontknow:. So the courts of Iran are idiots now... are they? They do not know how to use laws correctly... they always misuse laws:(

[Rakhi]

I had been trying to get hold of this book for a while now.

Did they explain in the movie why Soraya refuses to divorce her husband in the first place before the whole story begins?

[Pratiksha]

Misuse:confused:... really:dontknow:. So the courts of Iran are idiots now... are they? They do not know how to use laws correctly... they always misuse laws:(

Are there any courts in that country????


I shall watch it, dollyg. Was it in Arabic?. I had seen this come up on my suggested movie list on netflix but since it was foreign I didnt bother to watch it. I shall now though.

[dollyg]

Misuse:confused:... really:dontknow:. So the courts of Iran are idiots now... are they? They do not know how to use laws correctly... they always misuse laws:(
werent they always?

I am not aware what exactly is written under the Sharia laws. But to me, adultery or not, stoning another human being to death should not be a law anywhere. the same Sharia laws have dual standards for men and women. If a woman is accusing a man of adultery , she needs to prove him guilty on the other hand if the man is accusing her, she needs to prove herself innocent.

Not that i am not aware of the inhuman nature of the peaceful religion, but it still shook me to my core to see a depiction of their brutality and vileness depicted in this movie.

[Pratiksha]

werent they always?

I am not aware what exactly is written under the Sharia laws. But to me, adultery or not, stoning another human being to death should not be a law anywhere. the same Sharia laws have dual standards for men and women. If a woman is accusing a man of adultery , she needs to prove him guilty on the other hand if the man is accusing her, she needs to prove herself innocent.

Not that i am not aware of the inhuman nature of the peaceful religion, but it still shook me to my core to see a depiction of their brutality and vileness depicted in this movie.

Have you seen "Not without my daughter". Another true story. Based on the peaceful culture of Iran. :|

[dollyg]

I had been trying to get hold of this book for a while now.

Did they explain in the movie why Soraya refuses to divorce her husband in the first place before the whole story begins?

Yes. In her words they did.
Soraya refuses to divorce her philandering husband because she knows he is doing it to marry a younger girl and she does not want him to get 'rid' of her easily. Also she is further enraged that the mullah who brings her husband Ali's divorce offer to her is propositioning her to be his mistress in return for protection and child support. she is sure Ali will not give her child support and she refuses so she can (ha!) try to force him to support his children.

How one wishes, she had divorced the beast.

in the scene where they show the stoning the crowd is screaming " Allah ho akbar" as if they are carrying out god's will. Her own children are stoning her. little kids from the village are shown collecting stones before the "criminal" is led for stoning. When Ali goes to check if she is dead or not, and she moves her eyes, more stones are thrown and this time the camera is projected in such a way that the audience feels the stones coming towards them. That shot is a masterpiece.

Rakhi and pratu. definately watch/Read this one.
Arabic with english subtitles.

[dollyg]

Have you seen "Not without my daughter". Another true story. Based on the peaceful culture of Iran. :|
no, i have not....should i?

[Pratiksha]

no, i have not....should i?

Yes you should. You get a good insight of the plight of women in this country!

[Rakhi]

no, i have not....should i?

Yeah its a great book. If you are interested, I have a soft copy.

Reg Soraya, I think its an error of judgment which has cost her life.

[razzrhino]

I don't think I will watch this.. It sounds way too serious and sad.. And cruel to boot..

[chitrala]

I'd seen the DVD in BB... never got the chance to rent it.
Will try to watch on weekend...

[kkkk]

Did they explain in the movie why Soraya refuses to divorce her husband in the first place before the whole story begins?

muslim women are not allowed to divorce their husbands....

[chitrala]

muslim women are not allowed to divorce their husbands....
I am not sure but they can if the husband gives them the right to... in the same way husband can lose his right to divorce her as well.

[Rakhi]

muslim women are not allowed to divorce their husbands....

I think the husband wanted her to leave but keep her son's custody or not pay alimony...something like that. i am not sure.

[dollyg]

I don't think I will watch this.. It sounds way too serious and sad.. And cruel to boot..

YEah it is :( but a good movie nevertheless. the director and actors did 100% justice to the real life tragedy unlike some other movies e.g. paa

[badriprasad]

Extremely disturbing ...







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India is not far behind ... here is justice Indian police style served to poor and helpless.

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[Premi]

Extremely disturbing ...







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India is not far behind ... here is justice Indian police style served to poor and helpless.

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are you sure second video is from india. :confused:

[Rakhi]

It is a great book.
I really enjoyed reading it, thanks Rakhi.

I found myself unable to sympathise completely with Betty Mahamoody though. She comes across as selfish and contriving. Although there is no doubt, that she was held against her will in Iran, she thinks of the daughter as her property. She likes nothing about Iran /Irani's and yet she marries Moody. She is happy and comfortable in her life with him in America. As long as she is provided for, has servants to do the work while she can do more 'sophisticated' stuff, her life is a dream and her husband perfect. She even detests naming her daughter per her husbands culture - and wants to name her Mary-yam, just because it sounds american and her kid she thinks is American. She conviniently forgets, he has a part in her birth as well. She would rather her husband does not interfere with anything at all. As long as he goes exactly her way, he is the perfect catch. The moment things change and he wants to go back to his motherland , with his wife and daughter, his wife gets a hostage complex.

Its sad, but I am sorry, I find her to be a high strung american bitch. She finds fault with anything and everything. The roads are not good enough, the hospitality sucks, she even finds fault with a crippled child who urinates on the carpet, that disgusts her even though the mother of the child cleans up and takes care of the child.
Geez, she finds fault with eyebrow threading too! She is disgusted by anything and everything! When her husband is wailing over the accident of Nelufar, she still manages to speak of him disdainfully, she says something like "Moody is sprawled on the floor wailing, and i wonder if it is an act." ( yes i do not agree with the beatings and the confinement, but no, i dont feel much for her)

With regards to the book, it is really engrossing, betty mahmoody has a knack at story telling.

I would love to read the book version of the Soraya story too. Will check in the library.

Ah, you finished it already! That was fast.

Yeah, Betty did come across as a bitch at times. I think she got into marriage without completely understanding the Iranian culture. I think the reason she was behaving that way was because she was pretty much imprisoned.

I am thinking loud here, if I were to leave my job, home and the freedom I now have and go to someones home and live there for good, I would pretty much flip. I am not quite sure if Betty is cruel or any woman in her shoes would have done the same thing.

[dollyg]

Ah, you finished it already! That was fast.

Yeah, Betty did come across as a bitch at times. I think she got into marriage without completely understanding the Iranian culture. I think the reason she was behaving that way was because she was pretty much imprisoned.

I am thinking loud here, if I were to leave my job, home and the freedom I now have and go to someones home and live there for good, I would pretty much flip. I am not quite sure if Betty is cruel or any woman in her shoes would have done the same thing.

I dont think Betty is cruel. She's an american woman who so far had taken american luxuries, her birthright, for granted, and when forced to live in an underdeveloped nation, realizes that she needs close to heroism to get back to america to her original 'what she thought to be average earlier, but pretty much will kill for now' lifestyle. Betty pretty much got in to a marriage with an anesthesiologist (not the Irani) assuming that she would be Dr Mrs Mahamoody as a welcome change from divorced mother of 2.. In her glance into her past life, she talks about pretty much giving the same treatment to Moody (sans the beatings) pretty much bullying him into kicking reza out (who she 'used' immensely later while in iran to escape moody's sister A Bozorgh.) She tries to bully him in to kicking out mammal too. I dont think she flipped after landing in Iran and being confined. She was already getting disillusioned as soon as moody started to hit lows in his career. Soon as her perfect mr. Anesthesiologist went poof, her love and devotion went poof as well.
Dont get me wrong, im not in anyway supporting confining people against their will or beating and berating women anywhere, but Betty to me, does not really come across as a hero of any kind.

My thoughts on the imaginary scenario that u were thinking of
You would not be imprisioned to "someone's" home. In this imaginary scenario u wld be in ur husbands (**who u once loved and revered)** country home, in an environment no different than the other people in that country.
She pretty much felt imprisoned even before her plane landed in Iran, she was already referencing her husband as a bald man with a paunch. thats all there was left to their marriage even before she landed.

[echarcha]

:vomit:

are you sure second video is from india. :confused:

I was going to ask the same thing. Is this video from India or some other country? I mean the victim is wearing an Indian salwar dress. If its from India, which state is this? The cops looked like commandos as they had automatic rifles.

[shruthi_ks]

Yes. In her words they did.
Soraya refuses to divorce her philandering husband because she knows he is doing it to marry a younger girl and she does not want him to get 'rid' of her easily. Also she is further enraged that the mullah who brings her husband Ali's divorce offer to her is propositioning her to be his mistress in return for protection and child support. she is sure Ali will not give her child support and she refuses so she can (ha!) try to force him to support his children.

How one wishes, she had divorced the beast.

in the scene where they show the stoning the crowd is screaming " Allah ho akbar" as if they are carrying out god's will. Her own children are stoning her. little kids from the village are shown collecting stones before the "criminal" is led for stoning. When Ali goes to check if she is dead or not, and she moves her eyes, more stones are thrown and this time the camera is projected in such a way that the audience feels the stones coming towards them. That shot is a masterpiece.

Rakhi and pratu. definately watch/Read this one.
Arabic with english subtitles.I request the admin for a new smiley of Disbelief. It could be shown as shaking head from side to side.

Not fot the content of the movie but for the attitude of Americans. kitna gir sakte hai Americans. Stoning tou theek hai. Why show the bullshit of Mullah propositioning her? This part must be propaganda.

[Rakhi]

Yes. In her words they did.
Soraya refuses to divorce her philandering husband because she knows he is doing it to marry a younger girl and she does not want him to get 'rid' of her easily. Also she is further enraged that the mullah who brings her husband Ali's divorce offer to her is propositioning her to be his mistress in return for protection and child support. she is sure Ali will not give her child support and she refuses so she can (ha!) try to force him to support his children.

How one wishes, she had divorced the beast.

in the scene where they show the stoning the crowd is screaming " Allah ho akbar" as if they are carrying out god's will. Her own children are stoning her. little kids from the village are shown collecting stones before the "criminal" is led for stoning. When Ali goes to check if she is dead or not, and she moves her eyes, more stones are thrown and this time the camera is projected in such a way that the audience feels the stones coming towards them. That shot is a masterpiece.

Rakhi and pratu. definately watch/Read this one.
Arabic with english subtitles.


After a very long time last night I cried watching this movie. Finally got around to renting the bluray and my my my; it was horrific, yet I am glad I had seen it.

I think its the first movie I loved only by reading the subtitles. Soraya was so beautiful. How could anyone do that to her? How can anyone do that to anyone? Heart breaking Dolly....I wonder what she must be going through when her own sons stone her.

[dollyg]

I liked it a lot too Rakhi, but as you noted, it was really horrific and heartbreaking. It puts things that we take for granted in a whole new perspective.
I m glad u liked the movie . it was well made

[Rakhi]

I liked it a lot too Rakhi, but as you noted, it was really horrific and heartbreaking. It puts things that we take for granted in a whole new perspective.
I m glad u liked the movie . it was well made

I loved the way Soraya's aunt hurls abuses at the mullah who suggests that Soraya can be his mistress:D. I couldn't help but rewind and listen to the abuses again...they were new and I learned a few:D.

Nice movie Dolly. Have you read Princess yet (Jean Sasson)?

[soniya 2]

I loved the way Soraya's aunt hurls abuses at the mullah who suggests that Soraya can be his mistress:D. I couldn't help but rewind and listen to the abuses again...they were new and I learned a few:D.

Nice movie Dolly. Have you read Princess yet (Jean Sasson)?


Buri baat naughty lady :nono:

[Rakhi]

Buri baat naughty lady :nono:

No; its actually a great thing Soniya. If you see the movie (true story), you wouldnt support this Mullah yourself.

[soniya 2]

No; its actually a great thing Soniya. If you see the movie (true story), you wouldnt support this Mullah yourself.

No not abt Mullah , You said na i learnt a few gaalis...well good women donot use abusive language :) :D

[dollyg]

I loved the way Soraya's aunt hurls abuses at the mullah who suggests that Soraya can be his mistress:D. I couldn't help but rewind and listen to the abuses again...they were new and I learned a few:D.

Nice movie Dolly. Have you read Princess yet (Jean Sasson)?

no, is it good? is there an ebook that i can read?

[Rakhi]

No not abt Mullah , You said na i learnt a few gaalis...well good women donot use abusive language :) :D

Its good to learn Soniya...and use it on people like the Mullah in question.

no, is it good? is there an ebook that i can read?

Yeah...I think I have it at work Dolly (am at home today). Will search and send it tomorrow.

[chaiwaala]

Not exactly related to the topic but ... The first video is cops in Uttar Pradesh beating a 6 year old girl, and the second is a 17 year old woman in Assam (?) stripped naked and paraded.


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[chitrala]

Its good to learn Soniya...and use it on people like the Mullah in question.



Yeah...I think I have it at work Dolly (am at home today). Will search and send it tomorrow.
You may like "My feudal lord" by Tehmina Durrani... she was married to the gov'nor of punjab(pakistan) and has related her story and the plight of women in affluent feudal families of pakistan.

[soniya 2]

no, is it good? is there an ebook that i can read?

Well , im not a good reader , in fact im not into reading books that much.
One of my friends gave me the "Twilight saga" ebooks , she was totally impressed with em (She is an avid reader i must say) . I started reading the first book , n stopped after reading a few pages. grr. And she finished all of em with in a month.
I remember starting a novel a few years back , and i have not finished reading it yet.... i guess goom bhi gaya ho ga ab to :D

[soniya 2]

Its good to learn Soniya...and use it on people like the Mullah in question.



Yeah...I think I have it at work Dolly (am at home today). Will search and send it tomorrow.


No , when im mad at someone , i use words like " jerk, idiot, bigarat , kutte k bache (when im extremely mad) ... But donot use other obscene gaalis.

Some girls in my class use kamini n some other " bad" gaalis very proudly when they are in a good mood, you know. I donot , it kinda looks cheap. IMO.

[krantikari]

I agree...

Very graphic movie... they make her sons stone her. I mentioned it before.

http://www.echarcha.com/forum/showpost.php?p=497913&postcount=25






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[krantikari]

Not exactly related to the topic but ... The first video is cops in Uttar Pradesh beating a 6 year old girl, and the second is a 17 year old woman in Assam (?) stripped naked and paraded.


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The difference is ... these are at least termed "illegal".

In case of stoning, it is the punishment under the law of the land, and so very often than not, it is misused.

[chaiwaala]

The difference is ... these are at least termed "illegal".

In case of stoning, it is the punishment under the law of the land, and so very often than not, it is misused.

If I remember right, that Uttar Pradesh cop who was beating the kid was removed from his job. Quality of training that cops receive in most states is not all that good.