Vedic Guru

[Chandni]

I attended this sermon today which said that to get a complete understanding of God a Vedic Guru is a must . But will this not defeat the purpose of Hinduism which says find your own path to spirituality ?

Why will I not be influenced by this Guru everytime he gives a sermon . Isnt it possible to understand the ancient texts by ones own accord ?

:)

Vedic Guru (http://www.echarcha.com/forum/showthread.php?t=36626)
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[chitrala]

I attended this sermon today which said that to get a complete understanding of God a Vedic Guru is a must . But will this not defeat the purpose of Hinduism which says find your own path to spirituality ?

Why will I not be influenced by this Guru everytime he gives a sermon . Isnt it possible to understand the ancient texts by ones own accord ?

:)
All the guru based cults preach the same(like Osho, radhaswami, asharam etc) and they quote some obscure shloq from some ved or upnishad for support... thing is, who will pay the bill for these bastards ash if they woudnt have shishyas...

Don't worry..there are hundreds of books available on hindu spirituality... as long as you can understand them..you dont need any of these fraud cheapos.

[landyaBhai]

I attended this sermon today which said that to get a complete understanding of God a Vedic Guru is a must . But will this not defeat the purpose of Hinduism which says find your own path to spirituality ?

Why will I not be influenced by this Guru everytime he gives a sermon . Isnt it possible to understand the ancient texts by ones own accord ?

:)

Not all Hindu scriptures talk about self-realization ... Also most of these scriptures were in possession of only certain branches of brahmanical leaders ... It was only during the British rule, did they get revealed to the general public ... Also the medium of instruction was purposefully kept to Sanskrit ... The language of the elites .... The general masses were not educated enough to understand Sanskrit, let alone scriptures written in English ... Even though under the British raj the scriptures got in the hands of the public, only Sanskrit versions were handed down in order to maintain the monopoly of the Brahmins ...

Also, as I mentioned earlier, not all scriptures are to be considered to be on par withe Upanishads or the Gita ... So it makes sense for the priests/religious leaders to cite something obscure from something under unrelated contexts ... You should understand that Hinduism did not develop under one common church headed by one pope ... Before the shankaracharyas, the Hindu scriptures existed but there was a lack of centralized entity responsible for it's evolution or interpretation ...So whatever the priest/brhmans interprets, it becomes a sort of ideology ... A sort of another branching of Hindu ideology...hence you see so many branches of Hinduism ...

[Indian]

All the guru based cults preach the same(like Osho, radhaswami, asharam etc) and they quote some obscure shloq from some ved or upnishad for support... thing is, who will pay the bill for these bastards ash if they woudnt have shishyas...

Don't worry..there are hundreds of books available on hindu spirituality... as long as you can understand them..you dont need any of these fraud cheapos.

so...we dont need gurus ? all we need is books ?

[razzrhino]

so...we dont need gurus ? all we need is books ?

ya just one to be precise ' Enlightenment for Dummies' - by Shri Guru Chitrala Swami. :D

[Rakhi]

I attended this sermon today which said that to get a complete understanding of God a Vedic Guru is a must . But will this not defeat the purpose of Hinduism which says find your own path to spirituality ?

Why will I not be influenced by this Guru everytime he gives a sermon . Isnt it possible to understand the ancient texts by ones own accord ?

:)

I think it is very much possible to understand ancient texts with ones own accord. Most of Hindu scriptures are written in Sanskrit. If you understand sanskrit, then you can interpret in your own way. if not, then yu are anyway depending on the person who has translated it for you.

If you are looking at Bible, the Old testament was written in Hebrew and the New Testament was written in Greek (i think most of it). So, if you are reading English version, again, you are depending on someone else to interpret it for you.

[Sane Less]

ya just one to be precise ' Enlightenment for Dummies' - by Shri Guru Chitrala Swami. :D
I thought I had the sole claim over self-elt... Chitrlsami pai, you need to pay me royalty:D

[Indian]

u people value the books and not the people(gurus) behind the bright ideas in those books.

hmmm.,...zamana kharab hain
feels like drinking couple of pegs whisky...& forget myself in some stupid ghazals :D

[chitrala]

so...we dont need gurus ? all we need is books ?
I am not saying that we don't need gurus at all... what I mean is that gurus are not essential. If you can read and understand... why would you need a guru or jon a cult. Ever read Asharam Bapu... I guarantee you that you can bullshit a lot better. :)

[landyaBhai]

I think it is very much possible to understand ancient texts with ones own accord. Most of Hindu scriptures are written in Sanskrit. If you understand sanskrit, then you can interpret in your own way. if not, then yu are anyway depending on the person who has translated it for you.

If you are looking at Bible, the Old testament was written in Hebrew and the New Testament was written in Greek (i think most of it). So, if you are reading English version, again, you are depending on someone else to interpret it for you.

Sanskrit is not a cut and dry language ... Even the way you pronounce the syllables can change the meaning of the whole sentence ...

[landyaBhai]

I am not saying that we don't need gurus at all... what I mean is that gurus are not essential. If you can read and understand... why would you need a guru or jon a cult. Ever read Asharam Bapu... I guarantee you that you can bullshit a lot better. :)

Understanding seyy kya karegaa chitrala bhau ... Intellectually everyone knows that they are not their body, but some spiritual entity, say soul ...

[JaiSpeaks]

Understanding seyy kya karegaa chitrala bhau ... Intellectually everyone knows that they are not their body, but some spiritual entity, say soul ...

Wohi to , if you read a Math book, you understand the concepts but problem solving ki baari aayi tab phategi . So I guess a guru may give a much needed direction or say a hint to proceed .

[landyaBhai]

Wohi to , if you read a Math book, you understand the concepts but problem solving ki baari aayi tab phategi . So I guess a guru may give a much needed direction or say a hint to proceed .

A spiritually realized guru is needed ...but not brhmans ... Although technically a brhmans means one who has realized the brhman in all ... The ONE in ALL and vice versa ...

[dhurandhar]

Wohi to , if you read a Math book, you understand the concepts but problem solving ki baari aayi tab phategi . So I guess a guru may give a much needed direction or say a hint to proceed .

you get that illusion....until you start solving problems....many gurus are like an answer at the back of the book:D...a sadguru (not sad guru) is the one who will give you textbook after ripping the answer pages from the book:D:D

[chitrala]

Understanding seyy kya karegaa chitrala bhau ... Intellectually everyone knows that they are not their body, but some spiritual entity, say soul ...

Arrey bhai... those books are better than them sexophilliac swamis...

[badriprasad]

I attended this sermon today which said that to get a complete understanding of God a Vedic Guru is a must . But will this not defeat the purpose of Hinduism which says find your own path to spirituality ?

Why will I not be influenced by this Guru everytime he gives a sermon . Isnt it possible to understand the ancient texts by ones own accord ?

:)

Vedic Guru :rotfl: where in the world are you gona find one? Cannot fault us Hindus. Problem is our Vedic literature. It is (edited) replete with accounts of miraculous supernatural psychic powers of great yogis, rishis, tantrics, sages and saints. This is where our troubles begin. We associate any asshole who can recite few mantras in Sanskrit with manifestation of Sidhis associated with ancient greats.

Seek a guru if you wish to learn ways of yogi ... but you must search for a teacher and not a yogi. Because, as a Yogi advances on the path to Sidhi ... he or she rises beyond our normal concept of normality. He or she discovers powers of mind ... true ... very true. True also that such yogis exist even today but you won't find them. They will have absolutely nothing to do with you ... not because they don't care ... but because they are knee deep in shit waiting for un-foldment of inner spirit and (edited) enlightenment.

You go searching for Vedic gurus and you are sure to find exploitation and abuse at hands of some asshole ... your turn next.

Why do you need a Vedic Guru?

[badriprasad]

Understanding the God? There is no god. He or she don't give no tofu for you even if he or she existed. God give no tofu for you ... not because he or she don't give a tofu ... but because he or she gave you all the powers you will ever need. You don't use those powers is your (edited) problem. You can perform miracles not even at disposal of God or his Sanskrit speaking representatives.

[echarcha]

My doctor is my vedic guru. As per ayurveda or whatever-veda, one must have clean bowels for optimum health. So I listened to my vedic guru and ensure that I have a clean bowel movement :D :D :D

[JaiSpeaks]

you get that illusion....until you start solving problems....many gurus are like an answer at the back of the book:D...a sadguru (not sad guru) is the one who will give you textbook after ripping the answer pages from the book:D:D

yeh angle maine socha na tha .. Dhuru bhai thank you . I had almost gone the landyabhai way :D

[raniraja]

O bhai logo, when you meet your guru next, ask him to explain the meaning of this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7LKqiTHia2M). Good song, but way beyond my ken :)

[Rakhi]

Sanskrit is not a cut and dry language ... Even the way you pronounce the syllables can change the meaning of the whole sentence ...

Sure. I am not denying that. That's why I said, "if you understand Sanskrit".

[landyaBhai]

Arrey bhai... those books are better than them sexophilliac swamis...

what is wrong with SEX ... unless you preach something that you dont intend to keep ...

ask Dhurendar Bhai, he seems to know more about sex and marriage ...:D

[landyaBhai]

yeh angle maine socha na tha .. Dhuru bhai thank you . I had almost gone the landyabhai way :D

which way?:rotfl:

[Chandni]

@badriprasad
No No I dont need a Vedic Guru . I only wanted to speculate on the need for having a Guru . Most of the knowledge was by word of mouth you know. And only certain sect of the populace in ancient times had the knowledge which will be transferred to the next generation. If that were not true then take for example, Karan from the Mahabharata , who had to feign a Kshtriya to gain the art of war. So if Vedas was more about spirituality why will certain people be denied . Was it to keep them ignorant or always at the lower end of the ladder? Does that sound like politics. I do not want a Guru to tell me my place in society . I will want to carve my own path . And interpret it my own way. Yeah I will be interested in a teacher to explain how to read it . That is right :)

[raniraja]

@badriprasad
No No I dont need a Vedic Guru . I only wanted to speculate on the need for having a Guru . Most of the knowledge was by word of mouth you know. And only certain sect of the populace in ancient times had the knowledge which will be transferred to the next generation. If that were not true then take for example, Karan from the Mahabharata , who had to feign a Kshtriya to gain the art of war. So if Vedas was more about spirituality why will certain people be denied . Was it to keep them ignorant or always at the lower end of the ladder? Does that sound like politics. I do not want a Guru to tell me my place in society . I will want to carve my own path . And interpret it my own way. Yeah I will be interested in a teacher to explain how to read it . That is right :)But did you try reading the scriptures on your own, did you ever try it?

[Chandni]

But did you try reading the scriptures on your own, did you ever try it?
Nope never . RaniRaja ( are you rani or raja :D) . I donnt know if I will or want to or have the patience etc etc ...

[raniraja]

Nope never . RaniRaja ( are you rani or raja :D) . I donnt know if I will or want to or have the patience etc etc ...Patience or not, if someone gifted you a set of scriptures in original sanskrit version..Would you at least dare to browse through them?

[raniraja]

Patience or not, if someone gifted you a set of scriptures in original sanskrit version..Would you at least dare to browse through them?Taking it further.. I mean if you received such a gift, would you then go around looking for a teacher to explain them to you, or would you start looking them up, just for the heck of it?

. RaniRaja ( are you rani or raja :D) . Bahut confusion hai :D

[Chandni]

Patience or not, if someone gifted you a set of scriptures in original sanskrit version..Would you at least dare to browse through them?
Yeah sure !! Do you have something ?

[raniraja]

Yeah sure !! Do you have something ?Oh.. so are you Sanskrit literate?

[Chandni]

Oh.. so are you Sanskrit literate?
I did take some classes in school and junior college . I have not used after so cannot say I can really read it in original script . By the way who wrote these Vedas ?

[raniraja]

By the way who wrote these Vedas ?I don't know. I think they are a collection ..

I did take some classes in school and junior college . I have not used after so cannot say I can really read it in original script. So, lack of knowledge of Sanskrit may come between you and your desire to read the scriptures.. right?

Now, this is where the Gurus win over the hoi polloi. They can present any interpretation of the scriptures to the public and impress. Yes, the public is curious about the ancient knowledge and respects it. But we depend on the gurus to translate and interpret them for us.

[Rakhi]

I did take some classes in school and junior college . I have not used after so cannot say I can really read it in original script . By the way who wrote these Vedas ?

The 4 vedas, Rigveda, Yajurveda, Samaveda and Atharvana veda are complied over a period several centuries sometime in iron age.

I think you might need a Guru's help if you want to understand these texts.

[JaiSpeaks]

Vedic literature should be an interesting read . Many of the books for example Hari Krishna movement , have lot of books which talk about spirituality and all . If not wanting to be initiated can just do casual read of these books . Very informative actually .

[badriprasad]

I think you might need a Guru's help if you want to understand these texts.

Cheaper to hire someone to translate. Gurus cost tan, man, and dhan.

:rotfl:

[Chandni]

Thanks for the crown . Looking really good ;0

[razzrhino]

Cheaper to hire someone to translate. Gurus cost tan, man, and dhan.

:rotfl:

naat to talk about sthan