Do Hindus lack self-respect/hope? Why?

[PeaceSeeker]

Majority of Hindus are cowards in more ways than one.

Irrespective of his/her faith, any normal individual is afraid of violence/pain/death etc. Being afraid of physical harm is totally ok.

But even otherwise, Hindus lack self-respect. They loose hope very soon.

Like I mentioned in other thread, its even considered hip by many hindus to sound hopeless.

This is real cowardice. Not being able to say something which would give them self-respect & hope. Not being able to propagate self-respect & hope.

Rather they consider it hip to propagate hopelessness. If someone asks Hindus to be proud in a RAISED voice, lot of hindus will say "what is this guy blabbering about?"

Even if there is a slight ray of hope, they will be sarcastic about it.

It takes absolutely nothing to say that Hinduism is a great religion. It takes nothing to say that since Ram was born in Ayodhya, I wish there was a grand Ram temple in that town.

Why do they shy to say something which kindles hope and self-respect?

What is the reason behind this lack of self-respect or being hopeless in matter concerning religion?

I wonder.



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[echarcha]

Hmmm ... good morning ... Nice topic .. :rolleyes: what else you want to accuse Hindus of? :rolleyes:

[PeaceSeeker]

Not accusing.

Just wondering and wanting to discuss/know. One reason could be upbringing. Another could be self-experience:dontknow:

[JaiSpeaks]

What kind of cowardice have you experienced from hindus can you elaborate . No don't point any of the various political issues . I want your own experiences please

All your posts conveys is just tough language . Even Viking pai does a good job with that .

So if you want to discuss , please list how you came to conclusion of this sort :D

[PeaceSeeker]

if not lack of self-respect, what could be the reason of hindus reduced to 2nd class citizens in a majority hindu country? examples r plently.

only a hindu majority country like india can tolerate a gilani who while being on an indian territory calls that territory as not an integral part of india.
even a failed nation would not tolerate such a statement on its own soil.
if a hindu would have made such a statement on any territory, he would have been charged for treason.

hindus' tolerance for followers of other faiths is top level. while they suppress their own brethren from speaking truth/being frank. have they lost hope?

[chitrala]

Majority of Hindus are cowards in more ways than one.


Never understood this stupid, asinine assertion.

Why do I think it is illogical?


Almost all the polytheistic beliefs are wiped out from the world... be it the high and mighty Classic Greek or Roman or Egyptian or Nordic or Assyrian etc. etc. Whatever is left is practiced by a small fraction of people. Hinduism still has a strong following of 850 million people, most of whom still believe in elaborate mythology based polytheistic belief system.

The religious belief of whole Europe was changed, whole Arabia was changed(Arabs were the most factioned, strong headed people). But in India the major faith is still the same despite the countless number of attacks and myriad form of belief systems in power.

Hindus share the same gene pool with all other faithwallahs in south asia. 99% of muslims and christian can trace their ancestry to hindus. So, this exclusive right of cowardice to hindus beats me completely.

Hindus have got their right-wingers as well. Since the independence, in each and every riot the number of hindus killed/injured is always lesser than that of killed/injured members of other communities.

Hindus still enjoy the better rate of success in all the walks of life( Sikhs and Parsis may challenge us in some areas) in India. Take any institution, and you'd find it to be run by hindus.

We have defeated pakistan in all the battles and wars, both on the war fronts and diplomatic front. We have completely isolated pakistan, pakistan today does not even have an iota of credibility in the whole world( US is sticking to it for selfish reasons). It's a grand diplomatic success.

I could go on rambling.... but I think I've made the points I wanted to. And, I don't even want to debate on this stupid topic. If these points can't make you believe in hindu community's success/enterprise/courage, then nothing can. Live in denial. I'm out of this thread. period.

[raniraja]

Politeness is not weakness. Modesty is not weakness. Self-deprecation is not the same as self-abnegation. But there are examples galore of "Hindu backlash".

[JaiSpeaks]

if not lack of self-respect, what could be the reason of hindus reduced to 2nd class citizens in a majority hindu country? examples r plently.

only a hindu majority country like india can tolerate a gilani who while being on an indian territory calls that territory as not an integral part of india.
even a failed nation would not tolerate such a statement on its own soil.
if a hindu would have made such a statement on any territory, he would have been charged for treason.

hindus' tolerance for followers of other faiths is top level. while they suppress their own brethren from speaking truth/being frank. have they lost hope?

Typical religion bashing thread .. I am out

[ashdoc]

, please list how you came to conclusion of this sort :D

you dont have to arrive at it.........its a foregone conclusion :D......

[ashdoc]

Okay I see two tags 'ashdoc muslim hater ' and ' ashdoc ka dup ' which made me look at peaceseekers first post in this thread......

Okay .........the style of writing has been copied to look like mine --sentence- enter- sentence--:D:D

But its not me..........

[jeetiaf]

if not lack of self-respect, what could be the reason of hindus reduced to 2nd class citizens in a majority hindu country? examples r plently.

only a hindu majority country like india can tolerate a gilani who while being on an indian territory calls that territory as not an integral part of india.
even a failed nation would not tolerate such a statement on its own soil.
if a hindu would have made such a statement on any territory, he would have been charged for treason.

hindus' tolerance for followers of other faiths is top level. while they suppress their own brethren from speaking truth/being frank. have they lost hope?
Hindus are most chaloo creatures in the world, they do not want to make international incident out of it. Only community in India who has got extra brain cells. Now they will talk about autonomy and some talks and kill kasmiris on daily basis, if you look at causalities in Kashmir nowadays that is more than Palestine. Hindus never behave like Jews.

As far as cowardice is concerned ask, muslims of godhra or Sikhs of Delhi.

In India, no other community poses them any challenge in any field, except Sikhs and parsis at some places.

Muslims are defeating them only in terms of population growth by at least 10% decadal growth

Whole of Pakistani army is made to believe that Hindus are cowards they cant take more than three decisive below, and when Indian army gives one blow they run likes mares.

jeetIAF

[dirty]

you dont have to arrive at it.........its a foregone conclusion :D......

Forgot to change the id ?:D

[badriprasad]

We have defeated pakistan in all the battles and wars, both on the war fronts
Indian army wins the battles. Politicians lose all the wars.


and diplomatic front.
What diplomacy? Recite one example of success of Indian diplomacy?

We have completely isolated pakistan,
Pakistan has isolated itself. We had nothing to do with it. Chitralaji, you are taking credit which doesn't belong to you.


pakistan today does not even have an iota of credibility in the whole world( US is sticking to it for selfish reasons). It's a grand
I wouldn't be boasting if I were you. This is due to diplomacy and cunning ... that west is forced to call it an ally.


Muslims are defeating them only in terms of population growth by at least 10% decadal growth
Thats a lot for overpopulated country like India. A country trying to make do with meager natural resources.



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[JaiSpeaks]

you dont have to arrive at it.........its a foregone conclusion :D......

wohi to na . abhi kya discuss karna ..

[Napolean]

What diplomacy? Recite one example of success of Indian diplomacy?
........................................
India never signed CTBT even after coming under intense pressure from international community.

You asked only one.

[PeaceSeeker]

Why do I think it is illogical?


Almost all the polytheistic beliefs are wiped out from the world... be it the high and mighty Classic Greek or Roman or Egyptian or Nordic or Assyrian etc. etc. Whatever is left is practiced by a small fraction of people. Hinduism still has a strong following of 850 million people, most of whom still believe in elaborate mythology based polytheistic belief system.
so you are saying that since all polytheistic beliefs are wiped out but hindusim is not (as yet), there must be something about it. and because of that "something", any hindu who worries about the way things are fast changing, is being plain hyper. he/she should not do anything, continue the way he/she always has been, bcoz that "something" will counter everything that goes wrong.
thats as good as saying that things largely are & will be same whether or not 911, 2611, 6DEC, psuedo-secularism, minority-appeasement, godhra or anything else happens. u r sounding hopeful dude :up: somehow i did not see ur hopeful when u say "who needs another temple". u r totally full of hope.:up:
hindus dont need to do anything, be totally non-agressive even in the face of attacks. we have another gandhi here:up:
The religious belief of whole Europe was changed, whole Arabia was changed(Arabs were the most factioned, strong headed people). But in India the major faith is still the same despite the countless number of attacks and myriad form of belief systems in power.
same as above.
Hindus share the same gene pool with all other faithwallahs in south asia. 99% of muslims and christian can trace their ancestry to hindus. So, this exclusive right of cowardice to hindus beats me completely.
the faithwallas u mention dont agree with you. this was a foolish statement. its like saying "deep in my heart i know i am right. kill me if u want". and u will be killed:D
Hindus have got their right-wingers as well. Since the independence, in each and every riot the number of hindus killed/injured is always lesser than that of killed/injured members of other communities.
so u agree somewhat with the right wingers. they are open in their support of a temple at the birthplace of ram noh?:doh:
Hindus still enjoy the better rate of success in all the walks of life( Sikhs and Parsis may challenge us in some areas) in India. Take any institution, and you'd find it to be run by hindus.
success is not just about money/position. its also about being able to stand by your own people. openly and proudly.
We have defeated pakistan in all the battles and wars, both on the war fronts and diplomatic front. We have completely isolated pakistan, pakistan today does not even have an iota of credibility in the whole world( US is sticking to it for selfish reasons). It's a grand diplomatic success.

isolated pakistan? and its bcoz of india's diplomacy?:doh:
i respect pakistan for the fact that whatever "isolation" faces is bcoz of its own misdeeds, post 911. their stand vis-a-vis india has not changed 1% afaik. dont just live in ur hopeful world, be a little realistic.
I could go on rambling.... but I think I've made the points I wanted to. And, I don't even want to debate on this stupid topic. If these points can't make you believe in hindu community's success/enterprise/courage, then nothing can. Live in denial. I'm out of this thread. period.
u have rambled enough:whacky: come back with some realistic logical points pls:)

[PeaceSeeker]

Typical religion bashing thread .. I am out

no, i am not bashing.
sorry, if i sound that way.
not trying to bash at all. just trying to document the possible reasons for my thesis.

you dont have to arrive at it.........its a foregone conclusion :D......

wohi to na . abhi kya discuss karna ..

foregone ho ya latecomer, reason to batao?

[PeaceSeeker]

Hindus are most chaloo creatures in the world, they do not want to make international incident out of it. Only community in India who has got extra brain cells. Now they will talk about autonomy and some talks and kill kasmiris on daily basis, if you look at causalities in Kashmir nowadays that is more than Palestine. Hindus never behave like Jews.

As far as cowardice is concerned ask, muslims of godhra or Sikhs of Delhi.

In India, no other community poses them any challenge in any field, except Sikhs and parsis at some places.

Muslims are defeating them only in terms of population growth by at least 10% decadal growth

Whole of Pakistani army is made to believe that Hindus are cowards they cant take more than three decisive below, and when Indian army gives one blow they run likes mares.

jeetIAF

in the other thread u were saying that hindus must demand what is theirs?
now u r almost saying that hindus dont demand thay way becuase they are very chaalu?
looks like the lightning of hope has suddenly struck you too:D

[echarcha]

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[krantikari]

Pakistan has isolated itself.

Nope ! Pakistan is getting away by doing mischief openly. Thanks to the extra special favor by USA. Despite knowing Pakis true nature, America still seem to support Paki cause. What is more, China is now taking sides with Pakis openly. It looks other way round now.... India has isolated herself.

[krantikari]

Majority of Hindus are cowards in more ways than one.

Irrespective of his/her faith, any normal individual is afraid of violence/pain/death etc. Being afraid of physical harm is totally ok.

But even otherwise, Hindus lack self-respect. They loose hope very soon.

Like I mentioned in other thread, its even considered hip by many hindus to sound hopeless.

This is real cowardice. Not being able to say something which would give them self-respect & hope. Not being able to propagate self-respect & hope.

Rather they consider it hip to propagate hopelessness. If someone asks Hindus to be proud in a RAISED voice, lot of hindus will say "what is this guy blabbering about?"

Even if there is a slight ray of hope, they will be sarcastic about it.

It takes absolutely nothing to say that Hinduism is a great religion. It takes nothing to say that since Ram was born in Ayodhya, I wish there was a grand Ram temple in that town.

Why do they shy to say something which kindles hope and self-respect?

What is the reason behind this lack of self-respect or being hopeless in matter concerning religion?

I wonder.

Fuck you peaceshitter. Hindus are pragmatic and very intelligent. You can't even understand the practical thinking a Hindu possess. Why else do you think a Hindu is progressive while a muslim is still repairing flat tyres? Being realistic and then hopeful and talking the true nature of the situation and finding ways to deal with it is by nature the ways of the natural winner. How else do you think Hindus survived 800 years of oppression by the muslims and 200 years of oppression by christians?

Do not link the apathy of the political situation in India with the matter of religious affinity. A Hindu knows, Hinduism is supreme. Much beyond popular cults.

[badriprasad]

.... India has isolated herself.

Ouch ... that hurt.

[PeaceSeeker]

Fuck you peaceshitter. Hindus are pragmatic and very intelligent. You can't even understand the practical thinking a Hindu possess. Why else do you think a Hindu is progressive while a muslim is still repairing flat tyres? Being realistic and then hopeful and talking the true nature of the situation and finding ways to deal with it is by nature the ways of the natural winner. How else do you think Hindus survived 800 years of oppression by the muslims and 200 years of oppression by christians?

Do not link the apathy of the political situation in India with the matter of religious affinity. A Hindu knows, Hinduism is supreme. Much beyond popular cults.

whats the need of using foul language man?

i m not talking about who is economically more progressed and the reason of that. most of us know which community is most backward and the reasons of that.
a muslim whether he is reparing flat tyres or is a azim premji, rarely he will opine against someone who says his religion is great etc etc. again i m not saying that is completely right.
but hindus dont openly speak in support of a once-in-a-age phenomenon like dec6, bal thakeray or even narendra modi. for every hindu who says these had to happen, there are 10 hindus who speak against.

"A hindu knows hinduism is supreme" well maybe. but at times u have to SAY IT . maybe at least once when others say it 100 times on dankey-ki-chot. kalko wo log chhaati pe baith ke bolengey to hum bolna chahenge bhi to nahi bol paa-en-gey. even if someone says it, cowards wont even be supportive.

history shows it, we dig each others' graves. but still somehow centuries later the religion has survived. that i agree.

[PeaceSeeker]

We have defeated pakistan in all the battles and wars, both on the war fronts and diplomatic front. We have completely isolated pakistan, pakistan today does not even have an iota of credibility in the whole world( US is sticking to it for selfish reasons). It's a grand diplomatic success.

Nope ! Pakistan is getting away by doing mischief openly. Thanks to the extra special favor by USA. Despite knowing Pakis true nature, America still seem to support Paki cause. What is more, China is now taking sides with Pakis openly. It looks other way round now.... India has isolated herself.
wo bol rahen hain pak is islotaed, aap bol rahen hain india is isolated.
hindus r severly divided indeed :D
j/k

[JaiSpeaks]

no, i am not bashing.
sorry, if i sound that way.
not trying to bash at all. just trying to document the possible reasons for my thesis.





foregone ho ya latecomer, reason to batao?


abhi tak document nahi kiya hai thesis . matlab sab hearsay pe hai . Waise you havent listed any reasons . Reason to batao ?

[PeaceSeeker]

abhi tak document nahi kiya hai thesis . matlab sab hearsay pe hai . Waise you havent listed any reasons . Reason to batao ?
ye kya bola aapne? once i document, it all will become authenticated?:dontknow:

my point was simple.

hindus shy away from speaking in support of their own religion/leaders/values/structures even in times of crisis. if this is out of fear, thats ok. if its due to genuine resignation, its acceptable.
but many take do that with pride. this is bad.

[PeaceSeeker]

few folks have given +ve ratings to the thread/posts but maybe they are shy to participate here or express +ve'ness openly....:dontknow:
why? u folks dont wanna sound unhip?:D
j/k
but do participate & express opinions here:)

[Napolean]

India never signed CTBT even after coming under intense pressure from international community.

You asked only one.
Ok since badri does not seem to agree this was work of Indian diplomacy(I am curious to know what he calls it),here is one more - India got JuD banned by UN after Mumbai attacks - Nobody including China could save it.

[krantikari]

wo bol rahen hain pak is islotaed, aap bol rahen hain india is isolated.
hindus r severly divided indeed :D
j/k

Opinions always are individuals. Cause is united.

[krantikari]

whats the need of using foul language man?


Thats to show how much self respect I have. When Hindus in India do not get ANY political mileage... all we have is our self respect. Now some fucker comes and says we don't even have that ... I will beat the shit out oif hiss asss.

[krantikari]

ye kya bola aapne? once i document, it all will become authenticated?:dontknow:

my point was simple.

hindus shy away from speaking in support of their own religion/leaders/values/structures even in times of crisis. if this is out of fear, thats ok. if its due to genuine resignation, its acceptable.
but many take do that with pride. this is bad.

You are talking about secularists ? They are not Hindus. You haven't meta a real Hindu yet.

[PeaceSeeker]

Thats to show how much self respect I have. When Hindus in India do not get ANY political mileage... all we have is our self respect. Now some fucker comes and says we don't even have that ... I will beat the shit out oif hiss asss.
using foul language is no way to show self-respect.
i never said all hindus lack self-respect. my point was about the majority. of course there is some % who has self-respect.

[Sane Less]

using foul language is no way to show self-respect.
i never said all hindus lack self-respect. my point was about the majority. of course there is some % who has self-respect.
You being one of them, ain't it:D

[Pratiksha]

I stumbled upon this video while searching for deepika padukones song.

Didn't want to start a new thread hence pasting it here

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4Hh5yIrtlM&feature=related

One of the comments:mad:

With sex everything starts in Hinduism. 15 million viewers have been misguided with a vulgar photo. Will a christian or muslim do this dirty job? Hinduism cannot be justified without sex and vulgrity. It is not a part of Hinduism but it is full of it. Christian poor are reconverted bcoz they get benefits from govt. Poor chaps they prefer dark once again. Christian missionaries are doing wonderful job in north of India and bring this paganistic barbarians to light and truth. But money spoil them

[PeaceSeeker]

You being one of them, ain't it:D
one of the minority, yeah...
i started the thread remember?:p

[PeaceSeeker]

Opinions always are individuals. Cause is united.
and the united cause is??:confused:

[raniraja]

and the united cause is??:confused:...in your name.. peaceful coexistence.

[PeaceSeeker]

...in your name.. peaceful coexistence.
but not at the cost of self-respect, right?

[ashdoc]

Well ,peaceseeker you got answer of your question in the title of this thread from an august quarter........mahatma gandhi ,no less:D:D----

http://www.mumbai-central.com/nukkad/aug2009/msg02240.html

http://koenraadelst.bharatvani.org/books/bjp/section7.html

copy/paste from the second link--

The famous quotation of Mahatma Gandhi on Hindu cowards and Muslim bullies deserves to be read in full: "There is no doubt in my mind that in the majority of quarrels the Hindus come out second best. But my own experience confirms the opinion that the Mussalman as a rule is a bully, and the Hindu as a rule is a coward. I have noticed this in railway trains, on public roads, and in the quarrels which I had the privilege of settling. Need the Hindu blame the Mussalman for his cowardice? Where there are cowards, there will always be bullies. They say that in Saharanpur the Mussalmans looted houses, broke open safes and, in one case, a Hindu woman's modesty was outraged. Whose fault was this? Mussalmans can offer no defence for the execrable conduct, it is true. But I, as a Hindu, am more ashamed of Hindu cowardice than I am angry at the Mussalman bullying. Why did not the owners of the houses looted die in the attempt to defend their possessions? Where were the relatives of the outraged sister at the time of the outrage? Have they no account to render of themselves? My non-violence does not admit of running away from danger and leaving dear ones unprotected. Between violence and cowardly flight, I can only prefer violence to cowardice."

[PeaceSeeker]

The question I raised was more towards the WHY part rather than WHETHER OR NOT they r cowards.

[ashdoc]

The question I raised was more towards the WHY part rather than WHETHER OR NOT they r cowards.

oh ,you mean the WHETHER OR NOT question has already been solved........we dont have to question the cowardice of hindus :D:flip:

[PeaceSeeker]

oh ,you mean the WHETHER OR NOT question has already been solved........we dont have to question the cowardice of hindus :D:flip:
yes, for majority (in my opinion)
this majority shies away from admitting being cowards and (pretends to) lookdown upon brave miniscule minority:rolleyes:

[ashdoc]

yes, for majority (in my opinion)
this majority shies away from admitting being cowards and (pretend to) lookdown upon brave miniscule minority:rolleyes:

Is india the world's reservoir of cowards ?:D

[PeaceSeeker]

Is india the world's reservoir of cowards ?:D
some have moved outside india too:D

[krantikari]

and the united cause is??:confused:

be Hindus and not get converted to muslims or christians.

[PeaceSeeker]

be Hindus and not get converted to muslims or christians.
is that sufficient?

[krantikari]

is that sufficient?

not. i only mentioned one.

[JaiSpeaks]

ye kya bola aapne? once i document, it all will become authenticated?:dontknow:

my point was simple.

hindus shy away from speaking in support of their own religion/leaders/values/structures even in times of crisis. if this is out of fear, thats ok. if its due to genuine resignation, its acceptable.
but many take do that with pride. this is bad.

then you cannot call it thesis . thesis is based on research aur aapne kuch research kiya nahi hai . shuruwat ki hai problem statement likh kar .

[PeaceSeeker]

then you cannot call it thesis . thesis is based on research aur aapne kuch research kiya nahi hai . shuruwat ki hai problem statement likh kar.

to kya shuruwat answer statement se karkey, research karkey, problem stmt should be nishkarsh?

tu thesis zaroor likhna bhai:D

[PeaceSeeker]

any views on WHY hindus r more-or-less hopeless/negative/resigned in matters concerning their faith?

[amritvani]

any views on WHY hindus r more-or-less hopeless/negative/resigned in matters concerning their faith?

There are gazillion people in India who have self respect, and even more who have bloated a ego. All wedding ceremonies used to be fun because someone or other felt hurt because something was done below his or her dignity.

The challenge is that despite being a Hindu, they do not have the pride in identifying themselves as hindus. That is why there was the garv se kaho hum hindu hain movement. There is no structure in hinduism; no one gives a damn about shankaracharyas, there isn't a spiritual voice like Vivekanada that stands out today. We have a crowd of political parties that use hindu banner for their gains. For hindus the inspiration has to be found within, and because of that they may seem hopeless or negative or resigned when they are not.

[PeaceSeeker]

If any of the HIP hindus here feel a little elated after the verdict (just check in ur antarman;)), u folks were just acting HIP.

give that up. and cheer up. and show that u r feeling good. dont be shy:smartass:

for those hip ones who feel nothing (again, just check in ur antarman;)), continue being hip please. u r truly hip.

[PeaceSeeker]

The challenge is that despite being a Hindu, they do not have the pride in identifying themselves as hindus. That is why there was the garv se kaho hum hindu hain movement. There is no structure in hinduism; no one gives a damn about shankaracharyas, there isn't a spiritual voice like Vivekanada that stands out today. We have a crowd of political parties that use hindu banner for their gains. For hindus the inspiration has to be found within, and because of that they may seem hopeless or negative or resigned when they are not.

good point.
at least one possible answer to the WHY part.:up:

[PeaceSeeker]

I was expecting a lot more logical/debatable points on the WHY part:doh:

[krantikari]

I was expecting a lot more logical/debatable points on the WHY part:doh:

darling, that will mandate stipulation on the first part.... don't put me in this dilemma my peaceful sweetheart.

[PeaceSeeker]

darling, that will mandate stipulation on the first part.... don't put me in this dilemma my peaceful sweetheart.
dilemma:confused:
u have few answers to the WHY part without agreeing to the first part?

[badriprasad]

We lack pride ... I don't think so. How did Hindus survive 1000 years of invaders if they lacked self-respect? So what went wrong? Did actions of Mahatma Gandhi a year or two prior to and after freedom instill in us some sort of 'let-it-go' mentality? Could it be that surrender comes to us naturally ... kind courtesy of Baghwad Geeta ... word is repeated dozens of times in each chapter. I don't know what Gandhi meant by surrender, but Geeta doesn't mean for us to surrender our pride, I don't think so. Is there not one simple explanation for hijras and pinko-liberal-kaangres&shabo&MaeshBattaloving-proudtobenotproudofmyreligion among us?

[krantikari]

dilemma:confused:
u have few answers to the WHY part without agreeing to the first part?

no
short massage ki jai!

[PeaceSeeker]

Did actions of Mahatma Gandhi a year or two prior to and after freedom instill in us some sort of 'let-it-go' mentality? Could it be that surrender comes to us naturally ... kind courtesy of Baghwad Geeta ... word is repeated dozens of times in each chapter[/B]

good points to thinkover:up:

[krantikari]

good points to thinkover:up:

Y ? Y Bcos Bhagwad Gita is being questioned ? tis fashion to gandmaro Mahatma G in evey other topic dis days.

[PeaceSeeker]

Y ? Y Bcos Bhagwad Gita is being questioned ? tis fashion to gandmaro Mahatma G in evey other topic dis days.

who r we to question god's words?

but as humans, we do interpret things, and many also settle deep down in th psyhe.
what could be the causes of our dont-really-care attitude is being discussed. dont draw other conclusions pls.

[amritvani]

good point.
at least one possible answer to the WHY part.:up:

Part of the reason sorrounding indian religios texts:

1. Lot of stuff was written in Sanskrit. There are versions available in many languages but when you read that it does not strike the same chord that "Wow! this stuff was written gazillion years ago and still I can relate to that... how wonderful!". It is the kind of feeling you would get with Dasbodh or Dnyaneshwari written 4 and 7 centuries ago.

2. There is an extremely complex web of artifacts; not just one piece. There are vedas, upanishads, puranas and epics like Ramayan and Mahabharat to name a few. It is too much to read and it is not even easily accessible.

3. Too voluminous. Other than Bhagvadgita which is pocket size book, everything else is thousands of pages.

Apart from issues with reading literature, there needs to be a navigation path to Hindu branches. Like tantra or nath sampradaya. I am interested but where to begin? what about study of the various yantras?

Also our scientists don't seem to care much about achievements of ancient Indians. For example there is tons of western literature on flying aircrafts in Mahabharata period. What were the designs and stories behind it? what about medical science? There wa story I heard that Gandhari found pregnancy unbearable so they took out the fetus and put that in ghee or something and sounded like that is medically relevant today but I don't know if that is the truth. Things like these need to be extracted and researched from both historic perspective and whether that makes sense knowing what we know today.

The only thing I hear is when something is discovered, guys shout it was written in Vedas, post the fact. Here is a joke... Neil Armstrong was the first guy to set foot on the moon. The Indian guy says, yes it was written in scriptures that बाहुबली चाँद पर मात करेगा. (Bahu = Arm, Bali = Strong). :)

There needs to be some funding, in fact a dedicated University in line with IITs to take this up. And it needs working groups with big brains we have in India and abroad.

[Parijataka]

Hi All,

Am a newcomer to this very interesting forum, posting for the first time. Hinduism basically does not have an ethos by which we can say my way is right and all other philosophies are wrong and if you dont agree with me you will burn in Hell(Christianity) or we will put you to the sword(Islam) and it is our duty to bring you around to our way of life. The Abrahamaic religions all have this as the basis of their faith, which is why to them Hindus seem lacking in confidence because we do not proclaim like them that Hinduism is alone the True Path.

Parijataka

[PeaceSeeker]

Part of the reason sorrounding indian religios texts:

1. Lot of stuff was written in Sanskrit. There are versions available in many languages but when you read that it does not strike the same chord that "Wow! this stuff was written gazillion years ago and still I can relate to that... how wonderful!". It is the kind of feeling you would get with Dasbodh or Dnyaneshwari written 4 and 7 centuries ago.

2. There is an extremely complex web of artifacts; not just one piece. There are vedas, upanishads, puranas and epics like Ramayan and Mahabharat to name a few. It is too much to read and it is not even easily accessible.

3. Too voluminous. Other than Bhagvadgita which is pocket size book, everything else is thousands of pages.

Apart from issues with reading literature, there needs to be a navigation path to Hindu branches. Like tantra or nath sampradaya. I am interested but where to begin? what about study of the various yantras?

Also our scientists don't seem to care much about achievements of ancient Indians. For example there is tons of western literature on flying aircrafts in Mahabharata period. What were the designs and stories behind it? what about medical science? There wa story I heard that Gandhari found pregnancy unbearable so they took out the fetus and put that in ghee or something and sounded like that is medically relevant today but I don't know if that is the truth. Things like these need to be extracted and researched from both historic perspective and whether that makes sense knowing what we know today.

The only thing I hear is when something is discovered, guys shout it was written in Vedas, post the fact. Here is a joke... Neil Armstrong was the first guy to set foot on the moon. The Indian guy says, yes it was written in scriptures that बाहुबली चाँद पर मात करेगा. (Bahu = Arm, Bali = Strong). :)

There needs to be some funding, in fact a dedicated University in line with IITs to take this up. And it needs working groups with big brains we have in India and abroad.
so we are mostly a confused community not sure whether or not to be proud of hinduism and why:dontknow:


Hi All,

Am a newcomer to this very interesting forum, posting for the first time. Hinduism basically does not have an ethos by which we can say my way is right and all other philosophies are wrong and if you dont agree with me you will burn in Hell(Christianity) or we will put you to the sword(Islam) and it is our duty to bring you around to our way of life. The Abrahamaic religions all have this as the basis of their faith, which is why to them Hindus seem lacking in confidence because we do not proclaim like them that Hinduism is alone the True Path.

Parijataka

welcome.

so u r saying that to the abrahamanic, hindus seem to lack in confidence/hope/self-respect but actually hindus dont lack it:confused:

or do majority of hindus do lack those bcoz of said reasons