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raniraja
September 20th, 2010, 06:32 AM
Recently there has been a spate of news of women achievers from India. Be it anything, sports, politics, business, military.. whatever, women seem to come one-up on men. Many of us realised it early, so like the Congress, bowed to the women power. BJP was a johnny come lately on the scene, but did manage to come around and name Sushma Swaraj as the leader of opposition.
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Then that Divya Ajit beat all the men to take away the sword of honor. Then the article below mentions how the women are making it good in business, specially banking. I am sure than if women were in charge of our economy or Pranab or.. what's his name.. yeah, Chindu, we wouldn't have had economic recession at all !!... The list Indian women's achievement goes on. So, is it true that Indian women are superior to Indian men?

What makes women successful in Indian banking industry?
19 Sep, 2010 1214hrs IST ET Bureau[ Aman Dhall & Ravi Teja Sharma ]

When the global recession brought banking behemoths and financial institutions down on their knees, commentators dubbed it as a man-made disaster, "a testosterone-fuelled meltdown caused by men with high-risk appetite".

Pray, then, would the world economy be on a sounder platform today if these treasure chests were guarded by women managers? Nick Wilson, professor of credit Management at Leeds University Business School (LUBS) thinks so. "Where we find companies with diversity on their boards, productivity is better. Having more women on the boards of companies does help. Women would moderate risk and would be more balanced," he says.

Was this the reason, then, that Indian banks, with better gender equality on board than their western counterparts, scraped though the economic slowdown unscathed? Prof Wilson nods again. "If UK banks had more women on their boards, the scenario post-recession would have been a lot different."

Banking in the West has traditionally been a male bastion and continues to be so. "It is very difficult for women to break the glass ceiling here (West)," says Sheila Wellington, clinical professor of management at New York University's Stern School of Business. "Data shows that the glass ceiling is still intact. I wish it were not true."

India offers some respite for Wellington. The banking sector in the country did have its male domination till the 1980s, but in the last three decades the gender equilibrium became ‘fairly' poised.

According to a study by Standard Chartered Bank about women on corporate boards in India, the financial sector performs best in terms of gender diversity, nine of the eleven banks listed on BSE-100 have a woman on their board and two of these banks have a female CEO. In fact, through the recent recession, Reserve Bank of India had two women deputy governors on board, Usha Thorat and Shyamala Gopinath.

ICICI Bank, India's second largest bank after State Bank of India, is headed by a woman, Chanda Kochhar. So is the third largest in the private sector, Axis Bank, with Shikha Sharma at its helm. HDFC Ltd, India's largest housing finance group has Renu Sud Karnad as its managing director; Kalpana Morparia heads the Indian arm of global financial leviathan JPMorgan Chase & Co; Meera Sanyal is the country executive for Royal Bank of Scotland and; Manisha Girotra is the managing director of Union Bank of Switzerland's India operations.

"Women are not driven by wanting to just show numbers," says Karnad, who feels the recession was a result of excesses, of wanting to achieve goals at whatever cost. "Women are more practical and moderate in risk taking."

In this sense, the banking and financial services sector has been particularly lucky. For, while only 11% of the companies across sectors in India had women CEOs, 54% of these CEOs come from the financial services sector, says a recent EMA Partners International study. In the Fortune 500 list though, financial services just accounted for 7% of the women CEOs.

So what is it that makes women so successful in the Indian banking and financial services industry? "Retail banking is more of a relationship thing and women excel at that," says Karnad. In the Indian context, while women have started venturing out to work in the corporate world, they have been handling relationships at home too, as a wife or a mother. "This nurturing and adjusting attitude flows into the workplace as well."

For the current pack of women leaders in banking, the journey started in late 1970s and 80s. "There were hardly any women who went to engineering colleges those days. Banking and services was a natural move," says K Sudarshan, managing partner–India, EMA Partners.

Professor K Ramachandran, Thomas Schmidheiny Chair Professor of Family Business and Wealth Management, at Indian School of Business, adds: "In the 80s, leaders in banking realised that women could be great assets and their businesses need to be gender neutral. It is more about breaking the mental barrier."

The mid-80s saw a number of smart women graduating from the B-schools just when the Indian banking sector was starting to grow. ICICI, HDFC, HSBC, Citibank, were all expanding and were hiring during the mid-80s and the early 90s.

"We were fortunate to have senior role models like Tarjani Vakil, chairperson of Exim Bank who pierced the glass ceiling in the 1970s and '80s," says Meera Sanyal, who started her career in the mid-'80s with ANZ Grindlays Bank and is now Royal Bank of Scotland's country executive for India.

ICICI particularly nurtured a number of women—Chanda Kochhar, Shikha Sharma, Renuka Ramnath—who have today reached the top. One of most prominent among them is Kochhar, who joined the bank as a management trainee in 1984 and rose through the ranks to become the managing director and chief executive officer.

Today, of the eleven top executives working directly under her, three are women. "I give a lot of credit to ICICI, which as an organisation has allowed women to grow, prosper, handle responsibilities and offered equal opportunities," says Kochhar. Of the overall 40,000 employees at ICICI, a quarter are women. "It has contributed a lot to the feminine quotient in the Indian banking sector."

The bottom line for Kochhar, though, is an individual's own capabilities. But she agrees that diversity in a company does help to bring in different perspectives. "Women have done well in banking because it is a business where you need to keep in mind what the customer wants. Women have some amount of empathy towards a customers needs," she says.

However, bankers don't agree that it's only affirmative action that has led to a virtuous cycle. Reason: bigger the firm, more focused it will be to encourage equality of opportunity. The HR policy is structured to benefit all employees, not just women.

"Diversity is vital, be it in the form of academic background or gender, it creates the right environment, culture that helps the organisation to leverage on workforce's strength and skills," says JPMorgan Chase and Co's India head Kalpana Morparia.

Most women bankers agree that one of main advantages they had was the support system from their family. There may be numerous cases to belie their observation but for the achievers, family support made all the difference. "There is family, in-laws, friends and domestic staff that offer support to the household, which makes it easier for the woman to focus on her career," Manisha Girotra, managing director, Union Bank of Switzerland in India.

Interestingly, today, these women are role models for a number of other women who have the ambition and confidence to make it big in the world of banking. When you see talented women who have become successful leaders, you do get inspired to follow in their footsteps.

"Once you have a successful role model in a business, you tend to go for it. These women in the world of banking and financial services have given confidence to women to try such corporate jobs," says Ramachandran.

http://m.timesofindia.com/PDATOI/articleshow/6584040.cms

swami
September 20th, 2010, 07:16 AM
Recently there has been a spate of news of women achievers from India. Be it anything, sports, politics, business, military.. whatever, women seem to come one-up on men. Many of us realised it early, so like the Congress, bowed to the women power. BJP was a johnny come lately on the scene, but did manage to come around and name Sushma Swaraj as the leader of opposition.


Then that Divya Ajit beat all the men to take away the sword of honor. Then the article below mentions how the women are making it good in business, specially banking. I am sure than if women were in charge of our economy or Pranab or.. what's his name.. yeah, Chindu, we wouldn't have had economic recession at all !!... The list Indian women's achievement goes on. So, is it true that Indian women are superior to Indian men?

Same type of topic again :rolleyes:

Tumlogo ki zindagi aurato ko maska marne mei hi nikal jayegi :down:

swami
September 20th, 2010, 07:21 AM
Then that Divya Ajit beat all the men to take away the sword of honor. Then the article below mentions how the women are making it good in business, specially banking. I am sure than if women were in charge of our economy or Pranab or.. what's his name.. yeah, Chindu, we wouldn't have had economic recession at all !!... The list Indian women's achievement goes on. So, is it true that Indian women are superior to Indian men?

Your inferiority complex cant make all the women superior to Indian men :D

I dont find Indian women or any women superior then men,of late they have become arrogant with most of the laws to protect them,and thats the reason maybe some men like RRBhai find them superior;)

echarcha
September 20th, 2010, 08:17 AM
Yes I believe in women's lib. Women are superior :p ;)

swami
September 20th, 2010, 08:34 AM
Yes I believe in women's lib. Women are superior :p ;)

If women are superior why do they keep complaining ?

Why reservation for them ?

Why do they want seats reserved for them in buses trains etc like old people ?

I think politicians have learnt from females create a problem cry and take sympathy ;)

Some men just want to please them, and in name of weaker sex and they get all the favours around the world:D

dollyg
September 20th, 2010, 08:35 AM
I am a wimp

JaiSpeaks
September 20th, 2010, 08:37 AM
What honesty, by god

echarcha
September 20th, 2010, 08:39 AM
If women are superior why do they keep complaining ?

Why reservation for them ?

Why do they want seats reserved for them in buses trains etc like old people ?

I think politicians have learnt from females create a problem cry and take sympathy ;)

Some men just want to please them, and in name of weaker sex and they get all the favours around the world:D

YOu did not get the joke swami ... Read up on women's lib... :p ;)


Okay, here is the joke explained :doh:

Women's lib was all about 'women being EQUAL to men' ... So the punchline is trying to ridicule that by saying that 'No women are superior to men'. Now this is ridicule because women dont want to be less than or more than men but want to be EQUAL to men...

Do you need further explanation of this joke? :p

aragorn
September 20th, 2010, 08:41 AM
YOu did not get the joke swami ... Read up on women's lib... :p ;)


Okay, here is the joke explained :doh:

Women's lib was all about 'women being EQUAL to men' ... So the punchline is trying to ridicule that by saying that 'No women are superior to men'. Now this is ridicule because women dont want to be less than or more than men but want to be EQUAL to men...

Do you need further explanation of this joke? :p

I guess one more time... Swami is having his blonde moment today :D

Sane Less
September 20th, 2010, 09:17 AM
What makes women successful in Indian banking industry?

Because they are not good at rocket science:D

raniraja
September 20th, 2010, 09:25 AM
Your inferiority complex cant make all the women superior to Indian men :D

I dont find Indian women or any women superior then men,

तो भैया अपना vote भी डाल दे accordingly.


of late they have become arrogant with most of the laws to protect them,I agree with that (the bold part of it). Our laws are skewed in favour of women in a lot of ways. They have become bolder, yes. But not many of them take undue advantage of the laws. Most of the women do compete with men on equal terms. How many of the female members here have expected special working conditions due to their gender? Ok maternity leave aside (even most of the men approve of it). Rather the presence of women on the job keeps a lot of things under control, specially gaali galauj language.

Also please remark one thing, very often it is men who, out of chivalry or a desire to impress, go out of the way to make things easier for women colleagues :)


..and thats the reason maybe some men like RRBhai find them superior;)At least vote to check kar le bhai. My vote says that I am a wimp :)

Same type of topic again :rolleyes:

Tumlogo ki zindagi aurato ko maska marne mei hi nikal jayegi :down:Control yaar. Call the fire brigade before the damage gets out of hand :rotfl: :rotfl:

raniraja
September 20th, 2010, 09:26 AM
What makes women successful in Indian banking industry?

Because they are not good at rocket science:DWell.. one team failure doesn't make Kalpana Chawla an ignoramous :D

chitrala
September 20th, 2010, 09:46 AM
Women are great... women rock....they are awesome esp. younger ones(age 20 to 25):D... they are far more superior. :up::goodjob::bow:



any women listening. :D

Shringarey
September 20th, 2010, 11:31 PM
Here are comments from a practitioner of finance.

1. The Indian Financial sector was spared, because we did not have exposure to risky - toxic assets. We did not have the exposure because, banks are not allowed in India to enter into such transactions. It has nothing to do with women.

2. There is a feeling that if more women were in Banking industry in the west, this crisis would have been avoided. At one level, I would agree. More women anywhere is good. This is because we need feminine voices to be heard. We need diversity. There was a time when women did not enter science. When they did, they were not considered "upto mark". But slowly, a new thought is coming in. Many ape behaviours which upto now were considered as natural aggression are now looked upon as maternal instinct to protect. This change has come about because of women's voices. When large number of women enter the industry (it has to be a large number), they change the industry. A few women compete on men's terms. A large number creates a countervoice. That is extremely critical. We need a lot more dicversity.

3. If women were in banking, I don't think this crisis would have been avoided. The crisis came because of supra-liquidity of the Fed. It had to result in a crisis - if not the crisis that we saw, then another one.

My 2-bits here.

sgars
May 23rd, 2011, 12:35 PM
My choice would be -
Yes. Always have been, And Men always knew it.

Diplomat
May 24th, 2011, 04:37 AM
I m sure like cowgirl style more than missionary.

I know i love my women on top.

Diplomat
May 24th, 2011, 04:41 AM
Men are lazy. They do stupid things like sub prime mortgage because the women want a bigger house, a bigger diamond, a bigger car, a bigger boat, and a bigger dick.

Well, the last one money can't buy, but you get the idea ;)

GameOn
May 24th, 2011, 05:49 AM
The only way to settle this argument is to have Mayawati take over Goldman Sachs and see how she fares against the pandit bandit...I think she will trample him and squat all over him squeezing him out of breath...literally...

Rabri Devi(havent seen her in a long time)...should be made head Of NASA...either the moon will come to Bihar...or Bihar will go to the moon...any bigger advances in space science and transportation that any man can think of??Indian or non Indian?

dhurandhar
May 24th, 2011, 05:49 AM
I m sure like cowgirl style more than missionary.

I know i love my women on top.

that is your majboori...the fat slob you are, you are likely to crush/suffocate woman under you:D

dhurandhar
May 24th, 2011, 05:51 AM
Men are lazy. They do stupid things like sub prime mortgage because the women want a bigger house, a bigger diamond, a bigger car, a bigger boat, and a bigger dick.

Well, the last one money can't buy, but you get the idea ;)

why would a woman buy a bigger dick...when she can rent for cheap..and at times can be totally free?:D

Diplomat
June 6th, 2011, 11:53 AM
The whole fking financial crisis started BECAUSE of WOMEN.

If somebody needs an explanation to this statement, plz don't feel ashamed to ask.

sgars
June 6th, 2011, 06:26 PM
A comment i heard long back- Women have two assets, men have only one.

On a not so funny note, there has been increasing women power in India now. The top 2 rankers of Civil Services were women. And of course you have Maya, Didi and Amma to make up for all the men in decibels. this coming in a country where a lot of the girls do not even get to see the world reflects on the efficacy if not effeciency.

vip11
November 10th, 2011, 11:02 PM
Mathematically 10% of Indian women are superior to men; a ratio drawn from IITs,NITs, or from medical colleges. the ratio will accelerate, resultantly women can surpass the men. thus we can conclude that women are superior to men.