Why does hindi cinema try to take a holier-than-thou stand on abortion ?

[ashdoc]

Recently I was seeing the movie antardwand on forced marriages in bihar.

A boy is kidnapped and forced to marry a girl......but in the end manages to run away.........

Now the girl is left stranded with pregnancy ,but without a father for her unborn child in a backward area of india........where the child would be labelled a bastard ,and the girl would be left with no future........

Her father suggests the practical way out.......abortion.......which would save the girl and the child a lot of misery ,and also allow her to marry again.....

Instead ,the girl ,who is shown to be sensible all along , now takes up the all-too-familiar ' high moral stand ':rolleyes: of bollywood..........saying that ' hum apne andar palne wali jaan ko aanch bhi aaney nahi denge '',and vowing to keep the child ..........

Seeing this ,I wondered ,considering the fact that India in the past had one of the highest population growth rates in the world ,and reducing population was the priority ,why does bollywood always go hammer-and-tongs against abortion ?

In countless bollywood films from aradhana to trishul to others ,the woman undergoes oceans of suffering in order to protect the ' andar ki palney wali jaan ' and produces the child to live a horrid existence taunted by others about its illegitimate status ,and also ruins her own life.

Actually India has one of the most liberal laws on abortion ---' failure of contraception ' is a unique clause in the indian law on abortion ,by which a woman can claim the right to abort her child on grounds that the contraceptive she was using failed , and she did not want the child.

Such a clause is not to be found anywhere in the world ,and has obviously been put in order to encourage women to abort children ,and prevent growth of population.

Though jainism ,islam and catholicism oppose it , Hindiuism ,the religion of the 80 percent of the people in india ,does not oppose abortion.

It does not go against the ancient practices or morals of the land either ,which hindi cinema is obviously afraid to go against ,given the mass appeal of cinema------poor and orthodox people are known to routinely practice abortion ,without compuction.

To be honest ,abortion is to be encouraged , given our population problem.

Instead ,why does hindi cinema take such a holier-than-thou attitude on abortion ,and shows women going to incredible levels of suffering in life for their so-called ' principles ' ???


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[smellyfinger]

Instead ,why does hindi cinema take such a holier-than-thou attitude on abortion ,and shows women going to incredible levels of suffering in life for their so-called ' principles ' ???

Because they are movies - and need something to make the film about. Take Trishul for example - if Waheeda gets an abortion, what happens in the movie???? There is no movie!

Lets write the story of Trishul that way.

Sanjeev Kumar and Waheeda all lovey dovey. Sanjeev Kumar gets offer from evil looking woman's dad - marry my daughter and business is yours. Sanjeev Kumar leaves Waheeda. Waheeda gets an abortion. Ok, first 15 minutes of movie done.


Now for the remaining 2 and a half hours ... lets focus on a blade of grass and watch it grow in real camera speed. Paisa wasool!! :D

[ashdoc]

Because they are movies - and need something to make the film about. Take Trishul for example - if Waheeda gets an abortion, what happens in the movie???? There is no movie!

Lets write the story of Trishul that way.

Sanjeev Kumar and Waheeda all lovey dovey. Sanjeev Kumar gets offer from evil looking woman's dad - marry my daughter and business is yours. Sanjeev Kumar leaves Waheeda. Waheeda gets an abortion. Ok, first 15 minutes of movie done.


Now for the remaining 2 and a half hours ... lets focus on a blade of grass and watch it grow in real camera speed. Paisa wasool!! :D

yeah ,you have a point ,and a big one smelly.........:up:

yet ,i feel it does not explain all such holier-than-thou stands.......

for example ,in antardwand ,the heroine refuses to have an abortion at the end of the movie ,so obviously this stand is not going to affect the course of the movie......

in other films and TV serials ( though i dont remember their names )also ,i have seen women take such a stand pointlessly , not really affecting the course of the movie ,or serial......

i wonder if it is a herd mentality ,that now showing abortion as taboo is firmly established in cinema ,so no one has the courage to go against the trend........

[badriprasad]

We are a hypocrite people, Ashdocji. Cinema is meant to replicate and often exaggerate the reality.

[Rakhi]

i wonder if it is a herd mentality ,that now showing abortion as taboo is firmly established in cinema ,so no one has the courage to go against the trend........

I dont know why they show in cinema this way but in reality I dont think anyone is continuing the pregnancy (provided its not too late) if it is unwanted. Also, there are many emergency contraceptive pills available over the counter which people make use of if they have unprotected sex.
I think the mind set is changing for sure, at least in urban areas where you have access to safe medical help.

Cinema is for entertainment; Not many movies are made which gives out a social message. Like melly said, the movie would end in 15 mins if the girl decides not to keep the baby.

[kkkk]

...in reality I dont think anyone is continuing the pregnancy (provided its not too late) if it is unwanted. Also, there are many emergency contraceptive pills available over the counter which people make use of if they have unprotected sex.


which reality you talking about? how come a lot of prostitutes end up with kids? I think its more to do with conscience in India than with comfort.

[Rakhi]

which reality you talking about? how come a lot of prostitutes end up with kids? I think its more to do with conscience in India than with comfort.

I am talking about cities like HYD, Bangalore, Chennai, Mumbai etc, at least working women. I have no idea how prostitutes end up with kids.

[kkkk]

I am talking about cities like HYD, Bangalore, Chennai, Mumbai etc, at least working women. I have no idea how prostitutes end up with kids.

anywhere in India. the issue of abortion is more linked to conscience. also the girls who end up in such situations are typically inexperienced and young. the first feeling - I would guess - is fear. Anything to put away the time when it will have to be known that she is pregnant - perhaps resulting in a delay so long that abortion is not an option.
also it has to be a hush hush job - so possibly have to go to un-reliable hacks, consequently endangering life of the mother.

[Rakhi]

anywhere in India. the issue of abortion is more linked to conscience. also the girls who end up in such situations are typically inexperienced and young. the first feeling - I would guess - is fear. Anything to put away the time when it will have to be known that she is pregnant - perhaps resulting in a delay so long that abortion is not an option.
also it has to be a hush hush job - so possibly have to go to un-reliable hacks, consequently endangering life of the mother.

I agree with the one in bold. There are many hospitals who actually sign a privacy contract but one has to be really bold and go there to get help. It helps if you have a good friend to accompany you.

How do I know? Most of the MNC's in India have a "women's network" within their companies who tell their employees about various facilities, should there be a need. Thats how i know its a fact.

But in general also, the situation is not as bad as it was decades ago. If you had an uprotected, there are commercials which are helping a lady to get a morning after pill, OTC. This was not the case years ago. I also agree that we have conscience stopping us. But we will have to start thinking rationally, will we be abe to support a child with all the security it deserves? If the asnwer is yes, then fine. If not...

[echarcha]

Half the Bollywood films would never have been made if they showed abortion as the way out. smelly puts it perfectly! :D

And what is wrong if films say that dont abort? There are equal number of films where they show that the girl has an affair and says to her lover (who is usually the villain character played by Shakti Kapoor or Gulshan Grover) 'Main tumhare bacche ke maa banne waali hoon'. This one line has been the classic used in number of films.

Then villain says 'Baccha gira do'

Distraught girl 'Naheeeeeeeeee'

Villain 'Kya pata yeh mera hain ya aur kitno ke saath tumne rang raliya manayee hain'

Girl goes walking towards a hill's edge or a train track ...

Hero (usually Govinda ) stops the girl just in time and slaps her 'sataak' and says 'Tumhe pata hain tum kya karne jaa rahee thee ... Bhagwan ka diya hua vardaan tum mitane jaa rahee thee'


And audience is all 'waaah .. kya picchur hain boss.. saheee'

:D

[PeaceSeeker]

the story may not be too far from reality, howmuchever rare it maybe. this is really sad....

oppressed women means backward society.

[chitrala]

Recently I was seeing the movie antardwand on forced marriages in bihar.

A boy is kidnapped and forced to marry a girl......but in the end manages to run away.........

Now the girl is left stranded with pregnancy ,but without a father for her unborn child in a backward area of india........where the child would be labelled a bastard ,and the girl would be left with no future........

Her father suggests the practical way out.......abortion.......which would save the girl and the child a lot of misery ,and also allow her to marry again.....

Instead ,the girl ,who is shown to be sensible all along , now takes up the all-too-familiar ' high moral stand ':rolleyes: of bollywood..........saying that ' hum apne andar palne wali jaan ko aanch bhi aaney nahi denge '',and vowing to keep the child ..........

Seeing this ,I wondered ,considering the fact that India in the past had one of the highest population growth rates in the world ,and reducing population was the priority ,why does bollywood always go hammer-and-tongs against abortion ?

In countless bollywood films from aradhana to trishul to others ,the woman undergoes oceans of suffering in order to protect the ' andar ki palney wali jaan ' and produces the child to live a horrid existence taunted by others about its illegitimate status ,and also ruins her own life.

Actually India has one of the most liberal laws on abortion ---' failure of contraception ' is a unique clause in the indian law on abortion ,by which a woman can claim the right to abort her child on grounds that the contraceptive she was using failed , and she did not want the child.

Such a clause is not to be found anywhere in the world ,and has obviously been put in order to encourage women to abort children ,and prevent growth of population.

Though jainism ,islam and catholicism oppose it , Hindiuism ,the religion of the 80 percent of the people in india ,does not oppose abortion.

It does not go against the ancient practices or morals of the land either ,which hindi cinema is obviously afraid to go against ,given the mass appeal of cinema------poor and orthodox people are known to routinely practice abortion ,without compuction.

To be honest ,abortion is to be encouraged , given our population problem.

Instead ,why does hindi cinema take such a holier-than-thou attitude on abortion ,and shows women going to incredible levels of suffering in life for their so-called ' principles ' ???

What's wrong if a movie takes a stand against 'abortion'? It is a pov, which, I guess, is shared by many. It sounds good, more ethical, appeals to sentiment etc. etc. Movies are not made or seen to reform or educate the society. You don't change your viewpoint after watching a movie.

There is nothing holier about abortion either. I am not pro-life but I can't recommend abortion as a way of life ie fuck around and drop the foetus. One has to be responsible for one's deeds. The only determinative factor for me is if one can provide the newborn a good life(at least early life) then I don't see a point in aborting that baby.

In addition, traditionally the movie industry makes movies for money and paisa. They have to appeal to popular sentiments. You can watch alternative, indie, parallel, art or whatever they are called to look out for new morals.

Movies do change with times. Gone are the days when poor were morally and spiritually superior and rich were always have to be tainted, corrupt and evil. Now rich kid loves his maa with as much sincerity as the poor of yore and maa never asks " Bada saudagar ho gaya hai re tu, maa ko khareedane aaya hai" :D

[Rakhi]

Movies do change with times. Gone are the days when poor were morally and spiritually superior and rich were always have to be tainted, corrupt and evil. Now rich kid loves his maa with as much sincerity as the poor of yore and maa never asks " Bada saudagar ho gaya hai re tu, maa ko khareedane aaya hai" :D

I think you are missing his point. He is not saying that we should drop the baby if abe to keep. He is talking about instances like cheating partners, financially not-capable etc.

[chitrala]

I think you are missing his point. He is not saying that we should drop the baby if abe to keep. He is talking about instances like cheating partners, financially not-capable etc.
Ok... point taken... but still, movies are exaggerated version of real life. Do you think that certain section of society draw their morals from movies? I find it hard to believe. Truth is that we live in a society that does not approve of pregnancy out of wedlock, so much so that even getting rid of the child does not exonerate the carrier/mother. I don't know, I think that it is immaterial what a movie made for commercial reasons say, because it never delves in the matter and just touch it superficially.

[ashdoc]

What's wrong if a movie takes a stand against 'abortion'? It is a pov, which, I guess, is shared by many. It sounds good, more ethical, appeals to sentiment etc. etc. Movies are not made or seen to reform or educate the society. You don't change your viewpoint after watching a movie.

There is nothing holier about abortion either. I am not pro-life but I can't recommend abortion as a way of life ie fuck around and drop the foetus. One has to be responsible for one's deeds. The only determinative factor for me is if one can provide the newborn a good life(at least early life) then I don't see a point in aborting that baby.

In addition, traditionally the movie industry makes movies for money and paisa. They have to appeal to popular sentiments. You can watch alternative, indie, parallel, art or whatever they are called to look out for new morals.

Movies do change with times. Gone are the days when poor were morally and spiritually superior and rich were always have to be tainted, corrupt and evil. Now rich kid loves his maa with as much sincerity as the poor of yore and maa never asks " Bada saudagar ho gaya hai re tu, maa ko khareedane aaya hai" :D

As a doctor i know plenty of people with orthodox ,traditional values ,who go in for abortion.

Lots of poor people , the upholders of the society's backwardness by all angles ,also go in for abortion.

If its a girl child that is going to be born ,especially after the couple already has daughters ,these very people who are the upholders of tradition and values are desperate for abortion.......which is why a law banning sex determination had to be enacted in this country.

Under these circumstances , going against abortion does not uphold popular sentiment at all.........and advocation abortion does not reform or change society at all......

Which is why the hindi cinema's anti-abortion stand is so hypocritical and above all surprising.......for it seems to be creating its own set of morals and principles which are different from society.........

In a country where even newborn babies are murdered if they are female......

.............Cinema going for an anti-abortion stand is like living in its own self-created world.:rolleyes:

[smellyfinger]

As a doctor i know plenty of people with orthodox ,traditional values ,who go in for abortion.

Lots of poor people , the upholders of the society's backwardness by all angles ,also go in for abortion.

If its a girl child that is going to be born ,especially after the couple already has daughters ,these very people who are the upholders of tradition and values are desperate for abortion.......which is why a law banning sex determination had to be enacted in this country.

Under these circumstances , going against abortion does not uphold popular sentiment at all.........and advocation abortion does not reform or change society at all......

Which is why the hindi cinema's anti-abortion stand is so hypocritical and above all surprising.......for it seems to be creating its own set of morals and principles which are different from society.........

In a country where even newborn babies are murdered if they are female......

.............Cinema going for an anti-abortion stand is like living in its own self-created world.:rolleyes:

Arrey baba - pichur hai. Chhod de na.

Pencho, ek 5 minute ka gaane mein heroine ka kapda 8 baar badal jaata hai, aur 4 desh mein woh gaand hila leti hai. Tab tere koo koi takleef nahin hotee. Lekin abortion ke liye mana kiya to terekoo "reality" ki phikar ho reli hai???

Har pichur mein hero mandir jaata, ghantee bajata, do aansoo rota - aur bhagwaan uski baat maan leta hai. Terekoo kabhi aisa hoyela hai kya? Kuch bhi kya? Agar har ghantee waale ki baat sunne lag gaya bhagwan, to duniya khatam.

Kabhi pichur mein badsoorat heroine dekhi hai kya? Saale bhikariyon ke bhi laal laal gaal hote hain. Aur daant bhi perfect.

Aise to hazaaron cheezein hain ... tu kaykoo abortion be atka hua hai?

[Premi]

Arrey baba - pichur hai. Chhod de na.

Pencho, ek 5 minute ka gaane mein heroine ka kapda 8 baar badal jaata hai, aur 4 desh mein woh gaand hila leti hai. Tab tere koo koi takleef nahin hotee. Lekin abortion ke liye mana kiya to terekoo "reality" ki phikar ho reli hai???

Har pichur mein hero mandir jaata, ghantee bajata, do aansoo rota - aur bhagwaan uski baat maan leta hai. Terekoo kabhi aisa hoyela hai kya? Kuch bhi kya? Agar har ghantee waale ki baat sunne lag gaya bhagwan, to duniya khatam.

Kabhi pichur mein badsoorat heroine dekhi hai kya? Saale bhikariyon ke bhi laal laal gaal hote hain. Aur daant bhi perfect.

Aise to hazaaron cheezein hain ... tu kaykoo abortion be atka hua hai?


aur sar bhi chak-A-chak .. crown pahan ne liye ... kitna mahnat kar raha hai dikhai nai de raha kya .... :smartass:

lage raho munna bhai

[ashdoc]

What's wrong if a movie takes a stand against 'abortion'? It is a pov, which, I guess, is shared by many.

Not many in your UP :rolleyes::smartass:,or even elsewhere in india ..........for UP has the highest number of abortions.........read today's news ( what a co-incidence :D )

NEW DELHI: First the good news: the number of medical termination of pregnancies (induced abortions) has started to dip in India.

The bad news , however, is that the country still records a large number of such abortions -- in 2008, India saw 6.41 lakh abortions across 12,510 institutions, approved to carry out MTP.

According to the Family Welfare Statistics in India 2009, brought out by the Union health ministry, India recorded 7.25 lakh MTPs in 2005, 7.21 lakh in 2006 and 6.82 lakh induced abortions in 2007.

According to the 2008 figures, the latest compiled data, Uttar Pradesh recorded the highest number of MTPs (89,194) followed by Tamil Nadu (63,875), Orissa (59,945), Assam (58,409) and Maharashtra (54,545).

The other states with high abortion numbers include West Bengal (46,753), Haryana (31,126), Delhi (30,846), Rajasthan (29,292), Gujarat (27,837) and Bihar (24,149).

While Punjab recorded 14,834 abortions, the Union territory of Chandigarh recorded 1,162. Madhya Pradesh had 19,385 MTPs, Kerala 14,227 and Karnataka 17,500.

The states/UTs with the lowest abortion figures included Daman and Diu (42), Andaman and Nicobar Islands (94) and Goa (930).

The north-eastern states recorded abortion numbers below 1,000. While Meghalaya recorded 344 MTPs, the figure for Mizoram was 524. Nagaland had 670 and Arunachal Pradesh 655 MTPs.

Union health secretary K Sujatha Rao told TOI, "We have been working with doctors to better train them in techniques of abortion so that MTPs can be made safer. At present 8% of maternal mortality in India is due to unsafe abortions. So reduction in abortion numbers as a whole will automaticaly decrease mortality figures also."

Experts say the high number of abortions in India continues to be a major risk factor for women.

A recent international report had said that only two in five of the estimated 6.4 million abortions that take place annually in India are safe.

The number of women aborting an unwanted child have dipped globally. But the rate of unsafe terminations continues to be almost as bad. The number of unsafe abortions performed still continues to be high and is killing 70,000 women a year, mostly in developing countries.

An additional five million women are treated annually for complications resulting from unsafe abortion, according to US-based Guttmacher Institute report called "Abortion Worldwide: A Decade of Uneven Progress."

According to the report, South-East Asia recorded the highest abortion rate in 2003 -- 39 per 1,000 (23 per 1,000 unsafe and 16 per 1,000 safe).

Because abortion is legal in two of the world's most populo us countries -- China and India -- only an estimated 28% of women of child-bearing age in Asia live in countries with restrictive abortion laws.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Number-of-abortions-dropping-in-India/articleshow/6555212.cms
"Globally, there are an estimated 76 million unwanted pregnancies each year. The annual number of abortions in Asia fell slightly between 1995 and 2003, from 26.8 million to 25.9 million. In 2003, the majority of abortions occurred in Eastern Asia (10 million which includes China) and in South Central Asia (9.6 million which includes India). Of the 26 million abortions performed in 2003, about 16 million were safe and 10 million unsafe procedures," the international report said.

[swami]

I think you are missing his point. He is not saying that we should drop the baby if abe to keep. He is talking about instances like cheating partners, financially not-capable etc.


The female should have thought about cheating etc before getting into a physical relation what was the mistake of the to-be-born baby.Just because she did not choose a partner properly and gave away physically does not warrant the baby to be aborted.Abortion is nothing but murder.

Doctor saheb abortion can be a medical term but its nothign but murder,one side you promote non-veg to fight islam and on the other side you want the population to decrease :confused:

[Sane Less]

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The female should have thought about cheating etc before getting into a physical relation what was the mistake of the to-be-born baby.Just because she did not choose a partner properly and gave away physically does not warrant the baby to be aborted.Abortion is nothing but murder.

Doctor saheb abortion can be a medical term but its nothign but murder,one side you promote non-veg to fight islam and on the other side you want the population to decrease :confused:

Haila... yeh achcha hai... ek side se mutton chappar chappar kar khatey ho... and doosre side se abortion murder hai... abortion murder hai kar ke chilatey ho:mad:.

How exactly is abortion murder? Kya andey mein bhi jaan hota hai:confused:

Keep in mind... a baby in womb survives on placenta (not the shampoo)... it does not breath air. Plucking a baby off a womb is akin to plucking fruits of a tree:D

[swami]

Haila... yeh achcha hai... ek side se mutton chappar chappar kar khatey ho... and doosre side se abortion murder hai... abortion murder hai kar ke chilatey ho:mad:.

How exactly is abortion murder? Kya andey mein bhi jaan hota hai:confused:

Keep in mind... a baby in womb survives on placenta (not the shampoo)... it does not breath air. Plucking a baby off a womb is akin to plucking fruits of a tree:D
Ok if plucking a baby off a womb is akin to plucking fruits why are the strict laws against abortion.

Mutton/egg/non-veg eaters wont find abortion murder :D

[chitrala]

As a doctor i know plenty of people with orthodox ,traditional values ,who go in for abortion.

:rant: :blah:

Arrey baba - pichur hai. Chhod de na.

Pencho, ek 5 minute ka gaane mein heroine ka kapda 8 baar badal jaata hai, aur 4 desh mein woh gaand hila leti hai. Tab tere koo koi takleef nahin hotee. Lekin abortion ke liye mana kiya to terekoo "reality" ki phikar ho reli hai???
:rant::blah:

Mainstream movies dekhkar jyada dissection nahin karne ka... Sabji ki rehdi par underwear mat khareedne jaao... DD par jaan hai jehan hai par "grabhpaat: kab, kaise aur kyun" par discussion dekh lo, saari kshudha shaant ho jayegi.

Not many in your UP :rolleyes::smartass:,or even elsewhere in india ..........for UP has the highest number of abortions.........read today's news ( what a co-incidence :D )
:rant::blah:

My UP?? MY UP?? What's the point?

[Sane Less]

Ok if plucking a baby off a womb is akin to plucking fruits why are the strict laws against abortion.

Mutton/egg/non-veg eaters wont find abortion murder :D
It is all because of religion. What started off as some basic laws to induce civility in an uncivilized world became a brainwashing process... when the few saw ultimate power in it. It turned humanity against itself... simple things became complex... and complex things just coudn't survive... they got eliminated... till science brought them back.

You got to remember... bad people will do bad things... and good people will do good things. But for good people to do bad things, it takes religion. Don't ask me what it takes for bad people to do good things... maybe money... don't know. Nobody thinks about bad people anymore.

[swami]

It is all because of religion. What started off as some basic laws to induce civility in an uncivilized world became a brainwashing process... when the few saw ultimate power in it. It turned humanity against itself... simple things became complex... and complex things just coudn't survive... they got eliminated... till science brought them back.

You got to remember... bad people will do bad things... and good people will do good things. But for good people to do bad things, it takes religion. Don't ask me what it takes for bad people to do good things... maybe money... don't know. Nobody thinks about bad people anymore.

And what is good and bad.

females having premarital sex good or bad ;)

I heard a female saying whats harm in having sex with multiple partners,after sex I just sprinkle Gangajal on myself and pray to God to forgive me and I become pavitra as Draupadi.:D

aajkal ladies log aisa hi sochne lagi hain .. multinational company culture.. kha khuja batti bhuja type :smartass:

[chitrala]

And what is good and bad.

females having premarital sex good or bad ;)

I heard a female saying whats harm in having sex with multiple partners,after sex I just sprinkle Gangajal on myself and pray to God to forgive me and I become pavitra as Draupadi.:D

aajkal ladies log aisa hi sochne lagi hain .. multinational company culture.. kha khuja batti bhuja type :smartass:
Not to dampen your spirits(maloom hai nahin peete ho:D)... ye morality, pavitrata, shuchita ka dhong is pretty medieval and modern... olden times mein kha khuja types ki philosophy hi prevalent thi.
And not everything is weighed on good/bad scale... a woman, or for that matter, a man does not become better or worse if he/she has premarital seks.

[echarcha]

In a way ashdoc has a point. Why?

Recently we saw spate of suicides by students and everyone blamed the movie 3 Idiots for it.

So if films are so effective in influencing minds of the audience then yes the point is worth discussion.

However, I tend to agree with smelly that films are just for time pass and many in the audience do take it that way. But when I see the line of morons for shows like 'Lift Kara De' where you have to compete and win the 'Sabse Bada Fan' title and the feats they are willing to do, it makes me think that a lot of audience take movies way too seriously.

[ashdoc]

And what is good and bad.

females having premarital sex good or bad ;)

I heard a female saying whats harm in having sex with multiple partners,after sex I just sprinkle Gangajal on myself and pray to God to forgive me and I become pavitra as Draupadi.:D

aajkal ladies log aisa hi sochne lagi hain .. multinational company culture.. kha khuja batti bhuja type :smartass:

why talk only of females........if it is all-right for males to do pre-marital sex ,indeed macho ,why pick on females.......:rolleyes:

[ashdoc]

My UP?? MY UP?? What's the point?

you said that anti-abortion stand is shared by many.......but in your own state the view is quite different ,as indeed across india as a whole........

[ashdoc]

Ok if plucking a baby off a womb is akin to plucking fruits why are the strict laws against abortion.



india , in fact does not have strict laws against abortion ,nor does china......

those countries which do ,have them because of religious reasons ,either they are catholic ,or muslim.....

[swami]

why talk only of females........if it is all-right for males to do pre-marital sex ,indeed macho ,why pick on females.......:rolleyes:

men dont get pregnant,so premarital sex is not so harmful to them whereas abortion can at times cause irreversable damage which can be a burden to her future husband.

[ashdoc]

men dont get pregnant,so premarital sex is not so harmful to them whereas abortion can at times cause irreversable damage which can be a burden to her future husband.

no ,in most cases abortion done by qualified doctor does not cause problems ,which is why abortion should be legalised even in those countries where it is not.......

but what is gallling is your male chauvinism :D

you think only of males ..eh...:D

burden to future husband :smartass:

what about her herself ??

[Rakhi]

Ok... point taken... but still, movies are exaggerated version of real life. Do you think that certain section of society draw their morals from movies? I find it hard to believe. Truth is that we live in a society that does not approve of pregnancy out of wedlock, so much so that even getting rid of the child does not exonerate the carrier/mother. I don't know, I think that it is immaterial what a movie made for commercial reasons say, because it never delves in the matter and just touch it superficially.

I agree that mostly movies are there for entertainment. But repeatedly showing something in a certain light would influence the mind-set of people...A paradigm if you may call it. So, showing abortion in a bad light or showing someone in a different light all the time in general can influence the mindset.

The female should have thought about cheating etc before getting into a physical relation what was the mistake of the to-be-born baby.Just because she did not choose a partner properly and gave away physically does not warrant the baby to be aborted.Abortion is nothing but murder.

Doctor saheb abortion can be a medical term but its nothign but murder,one side you promote non-veg to fight islam and on the other side you want the population to decrease :confused:

Abortion is murder? How? Can you please elaborate?

I understand that having unprotected sex and getting pregnant is being in less than desirable situation (to put it mildly) and on top of that forcing her to have a baby when she is not in a position to care for it is a bigger murder.

And how conveniently you have put the entire blame on a woman! How did she get into this situation in the first place? IVF :rolleyes:? Seriously!

And what is good and bad.

females having premarital sex good or bad ;)

I heard a female saying whats harm in having sex with multiple partners,after sex I just sprinkle Gangajal on myself and pray to God to forgive me and I become pavitra as Draupadi.:D

aajkal ladies log aisa hi sochne lagi hain .. multinational company culture.. kha khuja batti bhuja type :smartass:

I do not want to argue on this for I believe that if something is a sin for a woman (in this case premarital sex and abortion), its a sin for a man too. We disagree fundamentally here. So, no point even in contradicting you.

why talk only of females........if it is all-right for males to do pre-marital sex ,indeed macho ,why pick on females.......:rolleyes:

Exactly my point!

men dont get pregnant,so premarital sex is not so harmful to them whereas abortion can at times cause irreversable damage which can be a burden to her future husband.

So you are saying that as long as woman don't get pregnant, premarital sex is fine? What irreversible damage are we talking about here?

[Rakhi]

Just an FYI, going through a miscarriage or an abortion is an extremely painful (emotionally) thing for an woman to do. I dont know if its hormones or I dont know if its the general nature of women. If she is prepared to let go of the child, it means that she really is unable to care for it. I think that's a reasonable thing to do instead of bringing a life into this world and not caring for it.

All this nonsense about ethics about that women should not abort an unwanted fetus is ...nonsense. That's what it is. Its not an easy situation to let go of a child, be it abortion or a miscarriage for a woman. So, I guess everyone should respect a woman's decision, should she end up in a situation even when she is being responsible (having protected sex). As long as its not too late (i think 8 weeks is the time, I am not quite sure), I think the choice should still be left to the couple in question.

[swami]

I also dont want to argue with someone who is too advanced and over matured in thinking :D

[raniraja]

Just an FYI, going through a miscarriage or an abortion is an extremely painful (emotionally) thing for an woman to do. Emotionally, it is more painful for the man. It is something he can not do, he has to depend on the woman and he has to see his fruit die because the woman doesn't want it. These days you will find the women more matter of fact and willing for abortion than the man.

[ashdoc]

Discussion over ??:).....then lets give it a typical ashdoc twist......in fact far too typical :(........lekin kya karey .........i cant complete a topic without blaming islam :smartass::rotfl:

To turn more serious........script-writing in bollywood has always been dominated by muslims.

Today ,thanks to the efforts of dawoodbhai ,khans are the dominant heros in films.....

But even when hindus were heros , script writing was in the hands of muslims like saleem-javed and majrooh sultanpuri........

Their influence can be traced even in those times by the way urdu words were used in supposedly ' hindi ' film industry.........

..........to the extent that when the film ' makdee ' used exclusively hindi words ,it sounded too funny........:D

for example , a ' regular ' urdu laced dialogue like '' tum mere aagosh sey nikalney ki kitni bhi koshish karogee phir bhi tumhe kamayabi haasil nahi hogee '' became '' tum mere aalingan se chhutne ke anant praytana karogee to bhi tumhe safalataa prapt nahi hogee '':D

now islam is opposed to abortion.....vehemently so.......thats why even though muslims treat women horridly , the man-woman sex ratio is better than hindus among muslims.......as even girl child is not aborted ,or killed after birth.....the holy prophet had taken special efforts to stop this practice ,which was prevalent in pre-islamic arabia.......

so has the practice of opposing abortion been introduced by all the muslim story writers and script-writers......??

[Rakhi]

Sanjeev Kumar and Waheeda all lovey dovey. Sanjeev Kumar gets offer from evil looking woman's dad - marry my daughter and business is yours. Sanjeev Kumar leaves Waheeda. Waheeda gets an abortion. Ok, first 15 minutes of movie done.


Now for the remaining 2 and a half hours ... lets focus on a blade of grass and watch it grow in real camera speed. Paisa wasool!! :D

I agree with the one in bold. There are many hospitals who actually sign a privacy contract but one has to be really bold and go there to get help. It helps if you have a good friend to accompany you.

How do I know? Most of the MNC's in India have a "women's network" within their companies who tell their employees about various facilities, should there be a need. Thats how i know its a fact.

But in general also, the situation is not as bad as it was decades ago. If you had an uprotected, there are commercials which are helping a lady to get a morning after pill, OTC. This was not the case years ago. I also agree that we have conscience stopping us. But we will have to start thinking rationally, will we be abe to support a child with all the security it deserves? If the asnwer is yes, then fine. If not...

I think you are missing his point. He is not saying that we should drop the baby if abe to keep. He is talking about instances like cheating partners, financially not-capable etc.

I also dont want to argue with someone who is too advanced and over matured in thinking :D

Emotionally, it is more painful for the man. It is something he can not do, he has to depend on the woman and he has to see his fruit die because the woman doesn't want it. These days you will find the women more matter of fact and willing for abortion than the man.

Please read what has been said above. All the examples which were quoted in this thread are about a "MAN LEAVING" a woman after getting her pregnant. If you insist that a woman should still keep his baby then and raise the child herself, then there is little anyone can say. You can call it advanced thinking or whatever.

On the side note, what happened to man? So, he can have all the fun and leave the woman when its time to shoulder some responsibility? How come he is not a man enough when it comes to caring for his own child?

Can you recall any instance (in movies) where the man stood by the woman when she fell pregnant and then taken care of mother and child? Of course not...but you expect that woman has to continue the pregnancy! Bah!
Emotionally painful for a man? How so RR? He doesn’t have any emotions when he is leaving the pregnant woman high and dry and then all his emotions come into play when she decides not to continue her pregnancy?

This thread is opened about cinema when the man leaves a woman after getting her pregnant. So, please do not generalize that I am advocating abortion for anyone and everyone. Abortion is not an emergency contraceptive.

[echarcha]

In a way ashdoc has a point. Why?

Recently we saw spate of suicides by students and everyone blamed the movie 3 Idiots for it.

So if films are so effective in influencing minds of the audience then yes the point is worth discussion.

However, I tend to agree with smelly that films are just for time pass and many in the audience do take it that way. But when I see the line of morons for shows like 'Lift Kara De' where you have to compete and win the 'Sabse Bada Fan' title and the feats they are willing to do, it makes me think that a lot of audience take movies way too seriously.

Since no body wants to reply to my post, I will continue with my Dabangg craze because at least that is a kick ass movie!!! No abortion, no nonsense type stuff there.

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[swami]

Since no body wants to reply to my post, I will continue with my Dabangg craze because at least that is a kick ass movie!!! No abortion, no nonsense type stuff there.

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Atleast your post containing the video makes sense :D

Tu lagta hai mera paisa kharcha karwakar Dabangg dekhne lagayega:whacky:

[Sane Less]

Emotionally, it is more painful for the man. It is something he can not do, he has to depend on the woman and he has to see his fruit die because the woman doesn't want it. These days you will find the women more matter of fact and willing for abortion than the man.
That's why they say this is the era of wimps:D

[Sane Less]

Atleast your post containing the video makes sense :D

Tu lagta hai mera paisa kharcha karwakar Dabangg dekhne lagayega:whacky:
Oye... tera toh sirf paisa karcha karwayega.... mera toh iman-dharam poora mitti mein mila deyega ye Echkarachi pai:mad:

[Rakhi]

Atleast your post containing the video makes sense :D

Tu lagta hai mera paisa kharcha karwakar Dabangg dekhne lagayega:whacky:

Ouch! ..............

[echarcha]

Atleast your post containing the video makes sense :D

Tu lagta hai mera paisa kharcha karwakar Dabangg dekhne lagayega:whacky:

kamaal karte ho swamiji, kharche se yaad aaya.. aapne nayi chaddi baniyaan kaunse brand ki khareedi? :p

[chitrala]

Ouch! ..............
Arre kharcha Swami ka hua...aur dard Rakhi jee ko... :confused:
sachcha pyaar hai lagta hai. :D

[Rakhi]

Arre kharcha Swami ka hua...aur dard Rakhi jee ko... :confused:
sachcha pyaar hai lagta hai. :D

My ouch was not for that:p. You know what it was for;)!

[chitrala]

My ouch was not for that:p. You know what it was for;)!
me?? no... maine kuch nahin kiya.... :handsup: :innocence: :D

[echarcha]

Dekha.. humarey post ko reply nahi diya to humne thread ko derail kar diya :flip:

Hoon Dabangg Dabangg .. Hoon Dabangg Dabangg ... :clap:

[tantric_yogi]

And what is good and bad.

females having premarital sex good or bad ;)

I heard a female saying whats harm in having sex with multiple partners,after sex I just sprinkle Gangajal on myself and pray to God to forgive me and I become pavitra as Draupadi.:D

aajkal ladies log aisa hi sochne lagi hain .. multinational company culture.. kha khuja batti bhuja type :smartass:

Moral ambiguities have set in and movies play a part. Take for instance reviews of the films, most do tend to point to characters and good and bad parts they play. Muslims families may be an only exception, otherwise Indians have taken worst of western culture as seen in the movies and videos and adopted it to the hilt. I don't believe this is a multinational company culture, its just an excuse for girls to let go and movies characters help set the trend. Take Daabang, for signs of the times. Good guy is as bad as bad guy, moral ambiguity. Swamiji.