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[viking]

Konddeo's statue will be shifted in 24 hrs: Mayor
TNN, Aug 26, 2010, 04.52am IST

PUNE: The statue of Dadoji Konddeo will be removed from the historic Lal Mahal, which was the residence of Chhatrapati Shivaji Maharaj, within 24 hours.

The assurance was given by Pune mayor Mohansingh Rajpal on Wednesday to protesting Lokshasan Andolan members, who were led by former justices P B Sawant and B G Kolse Patil.

The protestors had gheraoed the PMC headquarters in large numbers for more than five hours, demanding the removal of the statue from Lal Mahal. Meanwhile, 53 protestors were arrested late on Thursday evening. Senior inspector Sampat Patil of the Shivajinagar police, however, said, "We will release them on bail."

Konddeo's statue is part of a sculpture depicting Chhatrapati Shivaji, along with Jijamata, tilling the soil of Pune with a golden plough. Konddeo, according to some historians, guided Shivaji during his childhood. However, some historians say that he was not Shivaji's teacher.

"We will ensure that the statue is removed from Lal Mahal within 24 hours. I will place the issue before all party leaders and, by tomorrow (Thursday) evening, the statue will be removed. I promise that we will not retract on this stand," said Rajpal while speaking to the protestors.

Standing committee chairman and Congress corporator Arvind Shinde supported the mayor's stand and said the statue will be removed without any delay.

In a late evening development, Rajpal handed over a letter to the civic administration directing removal of the statue.

Speaking to TOI, Rajpal said, "When the statue was erected, the General Body's permission was not taken. Also, we considered the fact that the state government had stopped giving awards in the name of Konddeo and that his reference as guru of Shivaji has been deleted from the textbook. The state government has already said that there is nothing to prove that Konddeo was Chhatrapati Shivaji's guru. It is necessary to maintain law and order in the city."

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/pune/Konddeos-statue-will-be-shifted-in-24-hrs-Mayor/articleshow/6436255.cms


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[viking]

Dadoji Konddeo

Dadoji Konddeo was from a Marathi Deshastha Brahmin family from the Daund area in Maharashtra. He hailed from Malthan, in the present day Shirur Tahsil in the Pune District.[1]
[edit]Early career under Shahaji

Dadoji Konddeo was in the services of Shahaji Raje Bhonsalé, a nobleman and a commander in the Nizamshahi military of Ahmednagar. Shahaji proved himself as a brilliant commander. He was given independent land near the Pune region.
Due to the constant warfare between the three powers, Mughals, Adilshah and Nizam, Shahaji had to be constantly engaged in diplomatic and political manouvres. Tired of the endless battles, Shahaji declared independence and set up a swarajya. However, he couldn't defeat the combined might of the Mughal forces and Adilshah. Eventually, he was sent to Bangalore as a commander of Adilshah. It was then that Shahaji sent Dadoji Konddeo to Pune along with council of ministers to look after Shahaji's wife Jijai and son Shivaji, and to look after the jahagir. Dadoji Konddeo was an expert in warfare, particularly skilled in swordsmanship, politics and diplomacy. Thus, Shivaji's education was entrusted to Dadoji as well. Dadoji performed his duties from 1637 till his death 1649 at the age of 72.
[edit]In Jedhe Shakawali

Jedhe Shakawali written by Kanhoji and his son Baji Jedhe mentions about Dadoji Konddev as "He developed city Shivapur as per order by Shahajiraje in 1636 and Lal Mahal in Pune in next year. He was tutor of Shivaji and took care of Maharaj's education from 1636 to 1646.
[edit]Last days

Dadoji Konddev was concerned about Shivaji's decision to establish an independent kingdom. He advised him to follow the footsteps of his ancestors, who rose to the positions of power and wealth as vassals of the Deccan Sultanates. Shivaji's association with the hill brigands and his plans of capturing forts worried Dadoji a lot. He complained to Shahaji, but this didn't change Shivaji's plans. Dadoji Konddev died in 1647, leaving Shivaji in control of the region at the age of 17. Tarikh-i-Shivaji claims that Dadaji took poison in disgust at Shivaji's waywardness.[2]

[edit]The myth of cut hand

One of the popular misconceptions about Dadoji Konddev that he ate mango in Shivapur’s Baug so Shivaji punished him and cut his one hand.
The actual story behind this is, after capturing Torna fort, Shivaji wanted to capture Sinhgad (Kondana) fort. This was very easy task since Adilshah had given “Subhedari” of Kondhana to Dadoji Konddev in 1639. and he was in favor of Shivaji. In 1645, he captured Kondhana and removed the people of Adilshah like Ghorpade and Shaik Mirad. He appointed Sardar Balkawade, Mrudangal Deshpande and Netaji Palkar to oversee the fort.
When Ghorpade complained, Adilshah punished Dadoji Konddev without any hearing on the case. Sardar Ghorpade then came near Kondhana fort, at that time Shivaji Maharaj convinced Ghorpade that we are doing all this for administration purpose and we do not have any intention of soldier mutinee etc However Sardar Ghorpade considered Dadoji Konddev responsible for this happening, and he cut the one hand of Dadoji Konddev and spared him from death as “killing any Brahmin was considered a greatsin (Brahman-hatya) at that time.
[edit]In popular culture

Dadoji Kondadev is remembered today as a brilliant tutor, a selfless man and an expert in swordsmanship. An award has been instituted in his name in Maharashtra. A sports stadium in Thane has also been named after him. Apart from that, many other public places, roads and buildings have been named after him. His name is still revered in countryside as a loyal, honest old man with wisdom.

[edit]Controversy
The historical assertion that Dadoji Kondadev was the mentor and teacher of Chatrapati Shivaji has been disputed by organisations like Sambhaji Brigade. The entire bone of contention seems to be the caste: Shivaji was a Maratha and his mentor Dadoji Konddeo was a Brahmin. In the 2000s, the Maharashtra government abolished the Dadoji Konddev Puraskar due to unavailability of proofs that Dadoji Konddev was the Guru (teacher) of Shivaji. The Puraskar (prize) used to be awarded to coaches for excellence in the field.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dadoji_Konddeo

[viking]

New revelation by the Maratha Seva Sangh.

Marathas are no longer Hindus. They are part of a new religion called ShivDharma. They are Bahujans and they are closer to Muslims and Islam and they are viciously against Brahmins.

Now these highly intellectual ideologues of the Maratha Bahujan Samaj have renamed some of the Brahmin freedon fighters thus..

1> Lokmanya Tilak - BhatManya Tilak (Means he should be acceptable only to the Brahmins)
2> Swatantraveer Savarkar - Veer SadiVarkar (Raise your saree).
3> Ramdas Swami (Shivaji's spiritual Guru) - Randibaaz Ramdas.

There is an extremely patriotic song written by Swatantrya Veer Savarkar which is like "Sagara Pran Talamalala", this he wrote while he was studying in England.

The Maratha Seva Sangh interpretation - He sung that song because when the British were taking him by ship he desparately wanted to defecate and he did not have water to wash his ass, so he started singing. This speaks volumes about the Kangress - NCP collective intellect.

5yKu1lOvMeA

Read more intelligent stuff about Maratha Seva Sangh here (http://www.shivdharma.com/). :bow: See how Maratha pride can be insulted here (http://www.shivdharma.com/Campaign_loksatta.asp).:bow:

[ashdoc]

The brahmins are only reaping what they sowed.:smartass:

Earlier the marathas had no objection to the portrayal of Dadaji Kondeo as the teacher and guide of Shivaji in his childhood ,a fact which is historically true .

But the Brahmins tried to prove that Shivaji was son of Dadaji Kondeo by backing author James Laine ,who in his book " Shivaji--hindu king in islamic India '' , said that it was Dadaji Kondeo who was the father of shivaji .

There is considerable suspicion that the brahmins of pune were behind this book , and the idea was to prove that shivaji thus was actually a brahmin.

These maharashtrian brahmins in shivaji's own lifetime were opposed to shivaji's coronation on the grounds that he was not of high caste , and now that he is a hero ,want to snatch him away from his caste and co-opt him as a brahmin !!:down::down:

Ultimately shivaji had to bring gaga bhatt from varanasi to do his coronation .

The marathas are rightly incensed ,and do not want any more portrayals of Dadaji Kondeo as mentor of shivaji........Though it is true ,I may add.....

I cant blame them.........:rolleyes:

[viking]

The brahmins are only reaping what they sowed.:smartass:

Earlier the marathas had no objection to the portrayal of Dadaji Kondeo as the teacher and guide of Shivaji in his childhood ,a fact which is historically true .

But the Brahmins tried to prove that Shivaji was son of Dadaji Kondeo by backing author James Laine ,who in his book " Shivaji--hindu king in islamic India '' , said that it was Dadaji Kondeo who was the father of shivaji .

There is considerable suspicion that the brahmins of pune were behind this book , and the idea was to prove that shivaji thus was actually a brahmin.

These maharashtrian brahmins in shivaji's own lifetime were opposed to shivaji's coronation on the grounds that he was not of high caste , and now that he is a hero ,want to snatch him away from his caste and co-opt him as a brahmin !!:down::down:

Ultimately shivaji had to bring gaga bhatt from varanasi to do his coronation .

The marathas are rightly incensed ,and do not want any more portrayals of Dadaji Kondeo as mentor of shivaji........Though it is true ,I may add.....

I cant blame them.........:rolleyes:

What do you mean when you say Brahmins of Pune?? Are you trying to say that ALL Brahmins are responsible for what James Laine wrote? Okay you remember that some Brahmins opposed Shivaji's coronation. But then do you forget that Shrimant Baji Rao peshwa (a Brahmin) spent his entire life fighting the Muslims under the name of a useless Maratha king Chatrapati Shahu who never even thought of venturing out of Satara?? Bajirao was so powerful and had made alliances with many northern Hindu kings that he could have easily unseated that Chatrapati Shahu who was seated on the 'Satarchi Gaadi'. Was Bajirao not inspired by Chatrapati Shivaji?

How was the Maratha community insulted when that Gandhi was shot by Nathuram Godse? Why were thousands of Brahmins subjected to genocide in Maharashtra perpetrated by the then Maratha hordes? Why do such Marathas kiss Muslim ass when Aurangzeb had tortured and killed Sambhaji when he refused to accept Islam? Since these sultans of hatred are trapped in medieval times they should also not be selective in highlighting their insults.

What about Jawaharlal Nehru?? Did he not mention that Shivaji was a bandit of the Sahayadris in his book 'Discovery of India'? What were these touchy Marathas who wear their pride (hatred for Brahmins if you will) on their sleeves?

Besides not ALL Marathas are chewtiyas like ones following that Maderchod Purshottam Khedekar. Many of them under the banner of who else but the Shiv Sena and BJP have opposed the decision of the NCP mayor. That mayor has now had to change his plans and appointed a commission to make a decision.

[ashdoc]

What do you mean when you say Brahmins of Pune?? Are you trying to say that ALL Brahmins are responsible for what James Laine wrote?

no ,not all brahmins ........i think this problem is largely in pune where the bhandarkar oriental research institute was going to come out with james laine's book.

i dont think all brahmins and all marathas are at loggerheads.

but the maratha anger is directed at the efforts to portray dadaji kondeo as shivaji's father ,and dont want him to be associated with shivaji anymore.

it cannot be denied that before the book ,marathas did not object to portrayal of dadaji kondeo as shivaji's guardian ........this occured because of the book.

[echarcha]

Is it election time in Pune municipal corporation? Good political move by Congress :up:

Adding or removing a statue does not diminish Shivaji nor Konddeo, but as politics, this is good 'masala' :D

[raniraja]

Is it election time in Pune municipal corporation? Good political move by Congress :up:

Adding or removing a statue does not diminish Shivaji nor Konddeo, but as politics, this is good 'masala' :DI don't know about Pune, but I think BMC elections are close..

[echarcha]

I don't know about Pune, but I think BMC elections are close..

This is all geared to further split Marathi votes. Good politics by Congress. Really. Too many stupid people will get all worked up over this because they forget that even if you garland a statue of Shivaji with shoes, it still does not diminish his contributions to our country.

[kkkk]

Is it election time in Pune municipal corporation? Good political move by Congress :up:




reluctantly, I have to agree.

[ShivSainik]

no ,not all brahmins ........i think this problem is largely in pune where the bhandarkar oriental research institute was going to come out with james laine's book.



WTF are you talking about ? Like James Lane went to each of Pune Brahmins house and got information ? :rolleyes:

But yeah I understand your frustration, may be some Joshi or Gokhle guy taking all your daktari business and that's the reason your are frustrated :rotfl:

James Lane went as researcher in Bhandarkar institute and they gave him some information, he got it and wrote book. There is no proof that bhandarkar Inst gave information that "Dadoji" was Shivaji's father, that was James Lanes imagination or interpretation. How come "pune brahmins" are to blame for?

There were lot of people against Shivaji in his era and that included people from Maratha caste as well.

Anyway not all Marathas support this useless thing but I am worried about day when NCP twists this issue to snatch wholesale support of Marathas from Congress

[ShivSainik]

Is it election time in Pune municipal corporation? Good political move by Congress :up:


First of all it's not political move by congress. It is NCP. When will you understand that these are 2 different things :D Congress doesn't and will not support this BS. If you observe carefully all this Brahmin hatred thing started when NCP got out of Congress. This is move of Sharad Pawar to polarize maratha votes to his favour and screw congress.

[echarcha]

First of all it's not political move by congress. It is NCP. When will you understand that these are 2 different things :D Congress doesn't and will not support this BS. If you observe carefully all this Brahmin hatred thing started when NCP got out of Congress. This is move of Sharad Pawar to polarize maratha votes to his favour and screw congress.

Congress and NCP are ... what they say? 'Ek hee thali ke chatte batte'. There is no difference between the two. Both are Congress only. Its a good move :goodjob: This is called politics... yeah!! :up:

I am eager to see what SS and BJP will do about this in Pune municipal elections. :clap:

[ashdoc]

But yeah I understand your frustration, may be some Joshi or Gokhle guy taking all your daktari business and that's the reason your are frustrated :rotfl:



I am myself a brahmin:).........the joshis and Gokhale's are my caste brethren.:)

This is a debate , nothing personal .:rolleyes:

[ashdoc]

WTF are you talking about ? Like James Lane went to each of Pune Brahmins house and got information ? :rolleyes:



That pune brahmins are behind this was told to me by a group of pune brahmins only........the most vociforous among them was a sahasrabuddhe :)

Not all pune brahmins are behind this ,of course.......certainly not ordinary people.

Probably Some people who like to play politics......:)

[kkkk]

I am myself a brahmin:).........the joshis and Gokhale's are my caste brethren.:)

This is a debate , nothing personal .:rolleyes:

sweeping generalisations, baseless statements, hearsay comments.... not a good debate...

nothing personal ;-)

[echarcha]

Whether a few Brahmins supported that author or not, does not matter. This is a nice political 'tamasha' to see unfold on the verge of municipal elections.

Even if its proven that Shivaji was Konddeo's son or otherwise, it does not diminish Shivaji's valour, fight against Mughals, contributions to people of Maharashtra and beyond.

For me, this is an excellent ploy to get everyone riled up for sake of elections. Now the only thing to wait and watch is what the great Uddhav Thackrey says about this :D and what will Raj say about it. And oh yes, Nitin Gadkari too! :clap:

I cannot wait for the election results! :goodjob: Good job NCP, :goodjob: Good job Pawar saheb :up:

[echarcha]

The fun in all this is that upto now 'Marathi manoos' whether Brahmin, Marathi, whatever was considered ONE whole part.

Raj - with help from Sharad Pawar - managed to create the first rift and gained political mileage for his MNS party! Kudos!!

Now NCP (offcourse under guidance of Sharad Pawar) is creating the second rift!! Amazing!!!

Now we can enjoy some UP and Bihar style caste based politics in Maharashtra!!

Poor Shivaji Maharaj, always united the Marathi manoos to stand up against the common enemy. Always worked for greatness of Maharashtra.

And with a brilliant strategy the modern day leaders have managed to strike it all down!! If this is not politics at its pinnacle, then what is? :D

Jai Bhavani, Jai Shivaji!! Kudos Pawar Saheb!! May NCP win the Pune minicipal elections and may you be able to kick some butt of your ingrate student Kalmadi! :up:

[sudheer18]

संभाजी ब्रिगेडने आपल्या अनेक/ बहुतेक सर्वच लेखांमध्ये "आर्य द्रविड संघर्ष" या ब्रिटिशांनी रचलेल्या काल्पनिक सिद्धांताचा पुरेपूर वापर करून, "३% ब्राम्हण हे भारताबाहेरून आले व त्यांनी येथील मूलनिवासी जनतेवर सांस्कृतिक आक्रमण केले", असे धाधांत खोटे आरोप केले आहेत. मुळात भारतीयांमध्ये दुहीचे आणि वेगळे होण्याचे विष पेरण्यासाठीच ब्रिटिशांनी हा सिद्धांत निर्माण केला.

मात्र आता Genetics - जनुकशास्त्रावरून हे सिद्ध झाले आहे कि मुळातच हा सिद्धांत खोटा आहे, तमिळनाडूच्या व विन्ध्य पर्वतातील काही आदिवासी जमाती सोडल्यास, अन्य भारतीयांमध्ये जनुकांचे साम्य आहे. याचाच अर्थ, " भांडारकर संस्थेवर आघात करणारे ब्रिगेडवाले 'तथाकथित मावळे' आणि त्या संस्थेतील अध्यापक यांचे Blood Relation जे ( शेकडो पिढ्यां-पूर्वीचे असू शकते.) आहे.

केवळ मते मिळवण्याच्या स्वार्थी उद्देशानेच त्यांचे हे सर्व पराक्रम चालू आहेत. ब्राम्हणांचा तिरस्कार असेल तर, श्रीयुत खेडेकरांच्या पत्नी "भाजप" पक्षाची आमदारकी का करतात, याचेही उत्तर मला मिळालेले नाही.

एस एम जोशी, साने गुरुजी, बाबा आमटे यांचेही कार्य नष्ट - नामशेष करण्यात तुम्हाला आनंदच होईल ना?
सत्य हेच आहे कि ' राष्ट्रपुरुष छत्रपती शिवरायांनी' सर्व जाती-धर्माच्या लोकांना एकत्र आणून स्वराज्यस्थापना केली आणि त्यांच्या कार्यात ब्राम्हणांचेही योगदान आहे आणि आहेच.

[echarcha]

sudheer bhau, welcome..

Tumhi je marathi madhe lihilet te fakt kahich janana ithey vachta yeta, baki sarv marathi bolat nahit. Jara tumhi punha Hindi kiva English madhe lihilet tar khup bara hoil ani tumcha vichar sarvan paryant pochel.

[sudheer18]

वरील लेखात मी "Biological Father " असा गलिच्छ शब्द न वापरता "Blood Relation " जे ( शेकडो पिढ्यां-पूर्वीचे असू शकते.) ती संज्ञा वापरली आहे. आणि भांडारकर संस्थेतील अध्यापक जेम्स लेनला अशी विपरीत वाईट माहिती पुरविणे शक्यच नाही. "भांडारकर संस्थेवर हल्ला करू नये" असा जेम्स लेनने संदेश त्याही वेळेला दिला होता. शिवरायांचे वडील शहाजीराजे होते हे आता आपल्या प्रत्येकाला माहित आहेच. मग इतिहास बदलायचा प्रश्न येतोच कुठे?

माझी सर्व शिवप्रेमींना विनंती आहे - अनेक नेते या ना त्या कारणाने अमेरिकेला जातातच.
आज मराठा समाज = राजकारण हे कोष्टकच आहे, यांपैकी एखाद्या राजकारण्याने "Video-Conference " करून "विदेशात असणा-या" जेम्स लेनला विचारावे, कि त्याने अशी चुकीची माहिती का लिहिली, आणि खरोखर त्या संस्थेचा काही दोष आहे का?

दुर्दैवाने सत्य जाणून घेण्यापेक्षाही "राजकारण खेळण्यातच सर्वांना रुची आहे."

[sudheer18]

For English Readers I am Rewriting the above article of Mine.

As I read Articles of "Sambhaji Brigade", I found that they have used "Aryan Invasion Theory" in all of their Articles. And they have claimed that - "3% ARYANS (Brahmins) came from outside & destroyed the Original Culture of the Dravidians." However this "Aryan Invasion Theory" has NO EVIDENCE. This was made by Europeans because - 1] Probably they wanted to Divide Indians & Rule.
2] They wanted to establish that "EUROPEANS ARE SUPERIOR TO ALL" & the 100% Scientific "Sanskrit Language" is made ONLY BY EUROPEANS.

Now, GENETICS HAS confirmed that, except "some tribes living in Vindhya & Tamilnadu Region", there is little Difference in Genetics of Brahman & Non-Brahmans, & also there IS NO ARYA-DRAVIDA DIVIDE IN INDIA, AS FAR AS GENETICS IS CONCERNED. BY GENETICS, WE must ACCEPT that "Ancestors of these activists of "Sambhaji Brigade" & Teachers in Bhandarkar Institute (MAY BE 100 GENERATIONS BACK) have Blood relationship." And, THERE IS BIG - BIG DIFFERENCE IN GENES OF EUROPEANS AND BRAHMANS!!!

I Think, to Get Votes & Capture Power, Sambhaji Brigade is misguiding the Poor Villagers. I still can't understand, "If Purushottam Khedekar hates Brahmans, WHY DOES HIS WIFE BELONG TO B J P???

I want to know "Will Sambhaji Brigade do the same about Sane Guruji, S.M. Joshi & Baba Aamte, WHO HAD SACRIFICED A LOT FOR THE DALITS???"

I think the truth is " The Great Shivaji Maharaj had united Entire society, and BRAHMINS HAVE ALSO CONTRIBUTED FOR HIS SWARAJYA."
Thus, Sambhaji BRIGADE HAS NO AUTHORITY TO DIVIDE INDIANS FOR THEIR SELFISH PURPOSES.

[sudheer18]

Actually, James Laine had also sent an Email that, "Teachers in Bhandarkar Institute are not responsible for THAT OBJECTIONABLE STATEMENT."

IT WAS HIS OWN RESEARCH AND HIS OWN CONCLUSION. You are still free to ask him using "Video Conferencing", though he may twist the Truth for his SAFETY!!!

A sincere person WILL USE HIS BRAIN & NOT HIS HEART in such critical issues.

Every 5 year old Child in Maharashtra knows for last 400 years that Shahaji Raje was the Father of Shivaji Maharaj, then HOW CAN SOMEONE CHANGE HIS HISTORY?

I THINK THIS IS JUST A DRAMA TO GET VOTES, NOTHING ELSE.

[echarcha]

Actually, James Laine had also sent an Email that, "Teachers in Bhandarkar Institute are not responsible for THAT OBJECTIONABLE STATEMENT."

IT WAS HIS OWN RESEARCH AND HIS OWN CONCLUSION. You are still free to ask him using "Video Conferencing", though he may twist the Truth for his SAFETY!!!

A sincere person WILL USE HIS BRAIN & NOT HIS HEART in such critical issues.

Every 5 year old Child in Maharashtra knows for last 400 years that Shahaji Raje was the Father of Shivaji Maharaj, then HOW CAN SOMEONE CHANGE HIS HISTORY?

I THINK THIS IS JUST A DRAMA TO GET VOTES, NOTHING ELSE.
Thank you for writing in English so your message reaches us all.

As for raising this issue now, I have said it in my first reply to this thread that its all about votes and elections! That is why I dont feel angry or sad that someone is maligning Shivaji, Brahmins, Marathas or whoever. Its all about election times! :)

[Randheer]

These things will get over after Muncipality elections. As Cha Pai said,good Politics :up:, Let's appreciate it.

This is also a trick to cut down both Thakreys, Raj and Udhav. They are Brahmins. This will keep them in check.:)

Sivaji no matter what his background was, who his father was and so on was one of the Biggest Heores India has produced who introduced some cunningness and tactics in India's Millitary history.

Sivaji was how Chankaya and Chandragupta would have wanted their future kings to be untill Ashoka screwed up it al. This kind of BS can't tarnish him.

[Randheer]

Suppose if all the Upper Castes Decide to convert to Islam or Christianity then Congress and NCP will be the biggest supporter of Hinduism and will gve the max respect to Brahmins as the advisors to protect Darma :).

That's what happening in Andhra Pradesh. One Upper Caste Christian convert YSR ad now his son Jagan has created so many issues for Congress that Congress is espousing real solid Hindutva in Andhra Pradesh and this time it is the Poor strata of Society which is agressively espousing Hindutva courtesy Congress :D . Congres has developed new love for Krishna Dev Rai.An Upper Caste convert like YSR Reddy who can be a Reddy to the Masses and Christian to the minorities will be a death knell for Congress.

Congress is no fool, it knows that all its politics, "Aam Aadmi" crap works till India is a Hindu state and mainly Upper Castes do not convert :). The day they convert Congress will be finished.

[Randheer]

BTW Pakistan's ruling class is all Upper Caste Hindu Converts who converted for Material Benefits like YSR. See how they have kicked out Congress from there.

Believe me I have seen the Upper Caste Christian Converts treating the other converts from SC/STs with more contempt and rudeness as supposedly Christianity do not have Caste System and they have full license to treat them badly and do nothing for them. :) Same true for Pakistan and any Islamic society. Unlike India which is Hindu, Poors are ruthlessly supressed there and poor "Joe" is cheated in Wesern countries :)

Thats why Congress will always keep India as a Hindu state. It passed a resoultion also in 1999 that India needs to be a Hindu state then only Poor's right would be protected.

[viking]

Okay more on this..


That Maratha Ajit Pawar has asked the Sikh mayor, Mohan Singh Rajpal to put up a comittee to study this subject. A decision regarding the statue will be taken after their recommendations.
The Shiv Sena, Bharatiya Janata Yuva Morcha, Patit Pawan Sanghatana, Bajrang Dal, Hindu Rashtra Sena etc participated in pro Shivaji and Pro Dadoji Konddoe protests in huge numbers. Many of them were OBC's.
This act by the NCP is being seen by many other communities as Maratha goondagardi.
Marathas form only 30% of the population. Add 12% Muslims (since they vote together) they have 42% people. But the remaining are still formidable. Besides I dont think all Marathas will be so intellectually dilapidated to support these thugs.
The Kangress has backtracked from this issue. The CM Ashok Chavan has already said that the Maharashtra Govt has nothing to do with this issue. It's a municipality issue (read NCP issue). He's safely distanced Kangress from this issue. Even Kangress corporators have done the same. NCP is cornered. Kangress wants NCP to be seen only as a Maratha party.
Udhav Thackeraey has made a scathing attack on these Medival Morons. He's suggested that if Dadoji Konddeo's statue is removed, it should be replaced by that of Sharad Pawar and Suresh Kalmadi the IPL and CWG stalwarts who have brought laurels to India. Sharad Pawar for presiding over (Maratha) farmer suicides and Suresh Kalmadi for soiling whatever was left over of Indias prestige.

[Pratiksha]

All I can say is that Britishers made sure that all Indians learn the "divide and rule" lesson very well!!

Mera Bharat Mahan:doh:

Wonder what if Shivaji Maharaj or Dadaji Kondev were to see all this tamasha.:dontknow:

[echarcha]

I am waiting with bated breath for the election results :rotfl:

If Congress has done this - and I am sure they did - to kick out NCP then its a nice strategy to give a little headache to Pawar saheb. Its like a little 'I will slap you and you will slap me' :clap:

I love it. I want BJP and SS to learn from this and introduce Mayawati style extreme casteist politics in Maharashtra! If BJP and SS cannot capitalize on caste based politics and woo the 30&% Marathas and they all vote for NCP or Congress, then shame on BJP and SS. :D

[viking]

I am waiting with bated breath for the election results :rotfl:

If Congress has done this - and I am sure they did - to kick out NCP then its a nice strategy to give a little headache to Pawar saheb. Its like a little 'I will slap you and you will slap me' :clap:

I love it. I want BJP and SS to learn from this and introduce Mayawati style extreme casteist politics in Maharashtra! If BJP and SS cannot capitalize on caste based politics and woo the 30&% Marathas and they all vote for NCP or Congress, then shame on BJP and SS. :D

Pune municipal corporation elections are 1.5 years away. MSS (Maratha Seva Sangh :D) is a Maratha equivalent of RSS (Rashtria Swayamsevak Sangh). Now the casteist Marathas cannot understand due to IQ problems that RSS stands for all Hindus including Marathas (who Brahmins still consider Hindus)

* The agenda of RSS is that of Hindu unity to protect Hindustan against Muslim / Christian aggression. Spread the Hindu religion and upliftment of tribals using it's affiliates like Vanvasi Kalyan Ashram etc. Educate people about the greatness of Maharana Pratap, Chatrapati Shivaji, Guru Gobind Singh etc.

* The agenda of the MSS :D is to protect Marathas against Brahmin agression :D BTW Brahmins form 2% of Maharashtra's population. They envisage that Marathas and Muslims should get together to finish the Brahmins. Who knows they may be contemplating gas chambers for Brahmins as well. Their theory is that Muslims behave the way they do because of a cunning ploy of the Brahmins. As a matter of fact Muslims and Maratha's are actually estranged brothers:clap:

[echarcha]

viking, say what you like. But I am waiting for UP Bihar style full casteist politics to grip Maharashtra.

You see, we Maharashtrians are fools to split up and divide our votes and let MNS type Congress supported parties gain seats. So now we have to bear the fruits!

Thank God, I switched to studying and appreciating Congress. Only Congress can rule Maharashtra and rest of India. :jaihind:

[Randheer]

Viking Bhai what if the 2% Brahmins say that we are sick of being Brahmins and being Brahmin is a bad and we will convert to Islam. Then just see the same OBC Marathas will do everything to stop them from being converted :D as unlike our Fore Fathers they wouldn't want some body to convert as they now have enjoyed the politcial power courtesy democracy.

If everybody Converts then all Poors irrespective of their original caste will be trated ruthlessly or with deceit as in islamic or christian society. So the same phenomenon of Mayawati's love for Brahmins will arise.

Having said few of the forefathers of Brahmins and Rajputs do aligned with Britishers and Mughals to live a good live and now the OBCs are paying back in the same coin. But now I think 60-70 years is enough and there should be stop to this Anti Brahmin tirrade.

[raniraja]

Viking Bhai what if the 2% Brahmins say that we are sick of being Brahmins and being Brahmin is a bad and we will convert to Islam. Then just see the same OBC Marathas will do everything to stop them from being converted :D as unlike our Fore Fathers they wouldn't want some body to convert as they now have enjoyed the politcial power courtesy democracy.

If everybody Converts then all Poors irrespective of their original caste will be trated ruthlessly or with deceit as in islamic or christian society. So the same phenomenon of Mayawati's love for Brahmins will arise.

Having said few of the forefathers of Brahmins and Rajputs do aligned with Britishers and Mughals to live a good live and now the OBCs are paying back in the same coin. But now I think 60-70 years is enough and there should be stop to this Anti Brahmin tirrade.That's a point, Randheer. The Vohra community among the muslims say that they are Brahmin converts.

But now I think 60-70 years is enough and there should be stop to this Anti Brahmin tirrade.But this also depends on the attitude of the Brahmins. Is 60-70 years enough for them to think of themselves as better species?

stray thought : Is there a registration for pundits? I mean the Brahmins who do ritual pujas etc. Are they recognised as professionals with some central body checking their educational credentials?

[ashdoc]

Who knows they may be contemplating gas chambers for Brahmins as well.

you have extreme thoughts :(:(


As a matter of fact Muslims and Maratha's are actually estranged brothers:clap:

this is echarcha......you can say anything :D:D:doh:



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[viking]

That Muslims and Marathas are brothers is not my thought. It is a thought propogated by the MSS!

[ShivSainik]

Anyway forget this maraths, Brahmin, Bahujan crap...Today is Friday...Enjoy this aweomse marathi rap

starts at 0.45

AOOuoO01kEw

[echarcha]

:rep: you!! Super!! :up:

[echarcha]

That Muslims and Marathas are brothers is not my thought. It is a thought propogated by the MSS!

So cool the MMS wants to create a joint vote bank of Marathas and Muslims for Congress-NCP :up: :goodjob: More loss to BJP and SS and possible MNS :up:

[milanfanabhi]

Mh sarkarchya aaichi GANDDDDDDDDD!!!
ss_yack3Dq8

this is repeat..but i dont give a fuck....

[badriprasad]

I cannot find the thread where it said ... BJP in Maharasthra gets support and votes from outsiders and not local Mahratha population! Meaning to say, Mahratha vote as a block for Kaangress. This caught me by surprise. A great majority of local population being SS sympathisers will naturally align with BJP, I thought.

:dontknow:

[ShivSainik]

Mh sarkarchya aaichi GANDDDDDDDDD!!!


this is repeat..but i dont give a fuck....

HAHAHA...super :rep:

[viking]

Mh sarkarchya aaichi GANDDDDDDDDD!!!
ss_yack3Dq8

this is repeat..but i dont give a fuck....

Sharad Pawar chya aiichi gaand!:D

[viking]

I cannot find the thread where it said ... BJP in Maharasthra gets support and votes from outsiders and not local Mahratha population! Meaning to say, Mahratha vote as a block for Kaangress. This caught me by surprise. A great majority of local population being SS sympathisers will naturally align with BJP, I thought.

:dontknow:

A vast majority of Maratha's vote en mass for NCP and Kangress in that order based on who gives them election tickets. However there are some who are denied tickets in either of the parties, due to this they turn to SS-BJP for getting election tickets. If they get election tickets, some of the Maratha's vote for SS-BJP at the local constituency / ward level.

SS-BJP gets Marathi Brahmin votes, votes from educated / semi-educated city dwellers irrespective of where they come from and many of the OBC's.

[echarcha]

Mh sarkarchya aaichi GANDDDDDDDDD!!!
ss_yack3Dq8

this is repeat..but i dont give a fuck....
Tujhya aaaila... kay ekdum gaandu gaana hay re!!! :up: :rep: :D :D

[badriprasad]

That Muslims and Marathas are brothers is not my thought. It is a thought propogated by the MSS!

But Maharashtra has been a Congress stronghold ever since, why?

[kkkk]

But Maharashtra has been a Congress stronghold ever since, why?

...really???

[someone_good]

I do not know why there is much issue about Gurudeo Dadoji.
Speaking about the great history of Shivaji, if anybody is cursing brahmins for being anti-Shivaji, let me take it straight.. The history of Shivaji how we see and hear it has been carefully harvested by most of the brahmins only.. We have the name of Babasaheb Purandare. Whoever being proud to be Maratha should notice this. Without brahmins this great history would not have revealed. So dont blame brahmins for being anti-Shivaji. We are not taking the advantage of this great hero. Because his heroism today has been revealed and globally accepted after we put the efforts to this.
For Dadoji Konddeo, I wnt to ask are you scared that some bad fact will expose? Moving the statue from Lal Mahal has not proven anything but it has rather given more enforcement towards this controversy. Don't you feel so?