Higher education in local languages - does it make sense?

[amritvani]

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Amrit, I wish you had started a different thread about the higher education in local language. It is good. Will also restrict brain drain. Diploma courses have been taught in local language for a long time now. BAMS and BHMS have been taught in local language for a long time, though not MBBS.

See, the terminology remains in english, but the theory part is in local language so why not? The engineers here will recall how the scores of students from local language medium went down in the 1st and 2nd years - students scoring 80-90-95% in 12th and 50-55% in engg.. initially.

There are many countries where education is entirely in local languages in both europe and far east. However the primary reason in India to start higher education in local language is mostly political. Raniraja has a point above that it would help in mass communication when the professions require so. Is studying in English really tough for students? would you prefer your kids to study in english medium or local language?

What do you say?

[swami]

Who said higher education in India in local language is political.

Higher education in local language ensures that the education will be used for state.

And whats so great about English that you have been streching about children studying in English medium school,agreed its a universal language but studying in local langauge does not make a person inferior or less educated.English is just an added advantage nothing else.

Starting this new thread on public demand



There are many countries where education is entirely in local languages in both europe and far east. However the primary reason in India to start higher education in local language is mostly political. Raniraja has a point above that it would help in mass communication when the professions require so. Is studying in English really tough for students? would you prefer your kids to study in english medium or local language?

What do you say?

[echarcha]

Lets face it - English is the universal language of business, technology, aviation, almost all spheres.

Even China has started teaching English right from primary school so that the Chinese can compete even more on a global stage.

Learning one's local language, national language is all fine and maybe using it in local proceedings like legal matters, court cases, government administration, etc. is all fine.

But for competing in this ever increasing global marketplace, English is the way to go.

[swami]

But if everybody has to go global who is going to stay back or do we need foreign workers in the name of global stage,while our own people are abroad.

The best brains go away and make some other country advance and cribb about whats happening at home,this is applicable to you also Cha

Lets face it - English is the universal language of business, technology, aviation, almost all spheres.

Even China has started teaching English right from primary school so that the Chinese can compete even more on a global stage.

Learning one's local language, national language is all fine and maybe using it in local proceedings like legal matters, court cases, government administration, etc. is all fine.

But for competing in this ever increasing global marketplace, English is the way to go.

[echarcha]

But if everybody has to go global who is going to stay back or do we need foreign workers in the name of global stage,while our own people are abroad.

The best brains go away and make some other country advance and cribb about whats happening at home,this is applicable to you also Cha

Thanks for complimenting with 'people with brains' who go abroad.

Bhau, when I left for the US, the salaries you hear now 'Oh I make XX lakhs per annum' were not even heard of. Even if you account for inflation and adjustments, the salaries today for computer folks is much much better.

And how did this happen? Did the US and rest come to India for software and technology outsourcing because they liked our Bollywood movies?

Indians went abroad, established themselves in the tech industry, created a 'India Inc' brand for software. Thats how things started rolling and today the current generation is reaping the benefits.

On Bollywood, yes the Hollywood biggies are taking notice. So many movies are now partly financed and released by Hollywood studios. Infact there has been reverse drain with Reliance investing in Hollwyood (They hired Steven Spielberg to produce movies and gave his studio half a billion, yes with a B, dollars)

Regional language, etc is all fine for culture and local activities, but for business we need English. How do you think we got the highest call center jobs? Speaking English or some other language??

[amritvani]

But if everybody has to go global who is going to stay back or do we need foreign workers in the name of global stage,while our own people are abroad.

The best brains go away and make some other country advance and cribb about whats happening at home,this is applicable to you also Cha

If people pay for their education they can go whereever they want.

If there is demand locally and the environment is conducive people will stay. Currently there are opportunities but pay is not adequate in public sector, and promotions are arbit and driven by caste, there is too much corruption, controls are too high up instead of line managers, and individual merit and commitment to work is overlooked. Public sector does have fairly good benefits but you may have to work in areas that have no social life (away from cities).

[badriprasad]

Waste of time, efforts, and money ... with exception of Europe, Japan, and China for obvious reasons.

[dhurandhar]

Who said higher education in India in local language is political.

Higher education in local language ensures that the education will be used for state.

And whats so great about English that you have been streching about children studying in English medium school,agreed its a universal language but studying in local langauge does not make a person inferior or less educated.English is just an added advantage nothing else.

how so? what if the state does not offer as many jobs as the number of graduating students....students ki to vaat lag jayegi na!:D

[Veljibhai]

A big NO.

That maader**** Morarji Desai came to our college as a chief guest and said that.
He said all the education must be in local language. Means ke, he wanted us to become engineers in Gujarati?:rolleyes:

We booed him. Ask Amthalal. Who would give us job. Theek chhe ke hum sab loko ko job nahi karneka, sirf baap kaa naam roshan karneko engineer bananekaa thaa.

Pan baaki ke loko kaa kyaa?

[raniraja]

Higher / professional education in local language is fine. No one is talking about reducing the number of seats in English medium colleges, but about providing an option for study in local language. One can't find any fault with that. We aren't producing professionals for international market only !!

Again, if a student is meritorious enough to get admission in a professional course, then English isn't much of an impediment to him/her. How many of you did your 10th/12th/graduation in local language and then did higher studies in English?? How much of difference did it make after 1st year? Not much. At the end of the final year, I am sure the toppers did not come only out of students who studied in English medium throughout.

So, a student who completes his professional studies in local language will not face much problem with English language in his career.

[echarcha]

Higher / professional education in local language is fine. No one is talking about reducing the number of seats in English medium colleges, but about providing an option for study in local language. One can't find any fault with that. We aren't producing professionals for international market only !!

Again, if a student is meritorious enough to get admission in a professional course, then English isn't much of an impediment to him/her. How many of you did your 10th/12th/graduation in local language and then did higher studies in English?? How much of difference did it make after 1st year? Not much. At the end of the final year, I am sure the toppers did not come only out of students who studied in English medium throughout.

So, a student who completes his professional studies in local language will not face much problem with English language in his career.

yeah and you would have call centers saying 'Allo .. haaalo saar.. yessh.. I am SHHhhteeve heyaar. Allo.. yes I am English only talking na' :D

Fuck man, this whole thing about local language pride is just politicians blowing ass up your smoke :D
You know even Raj Thackrey who keeps harping Marathi Marathi sends his kids to English medium school :D

And yes, when you graduate from a vernac school, there are some difficulties in college.

[echarcha]

A big NO.

That maader**** Morarji Desai came to our college as a chief guest and said that.
He said all the education must be in local language. Means ke, he wanted us to become engineers in Gujarati?:rolleyes:

We booed him. Ask Amthalal. Who would give us job. Theek chhe ke hum sab loko ko job nahi karneka, sirf baap kaa naam roshan karneko engineer bananekaa thaa.

Pan baaki ke loko kaa kyaa?

Thaaank Gooad ha velji bhai tame gujju engineer nathi .. Imagine the loat of phun we would haaav if you writed soaftwaare in gujju

Imagine a if loop

if (x = 0)
do something
elsif (x = 2)
do something else
else
do nothing
end if

Agar (x zero che ) to
su kar
nahi to x bey cchee to
eva kar
nahi to jaava de ne

:D :D

[raniraja]

yeah and you would have call centers saying 'Allo .. haaalo saar.. yessh.. I am SHHhhteeve heyaar. Allo.. yes I am English only talking na' :D

Not all call centre employees are from English medium. Also, we are talking about professionals like engineers who normally don't end up answering calls in a call centre.

Fuck man, this whole thing about local language pride is just politicians blowing ass up your smoke :D
You know even Raj Thackrey who keeps harping Marathi Marathi sends his kids to English medium school :D

Nothing about local language pride. Just being practical. Why teach any other languages at all to the kids of only english is going to be useful in their professional life?

And yes, when you graduate from a vernac school, there are some difficulties in college.
Exactly what I said. Some difficulties in the 1st year, maybe 2nd year. Later? Don't these people end up at par with the others? Or do they fare worse than convented students at the end of professional studies?
C'mon, language is a medium for communication, and English is not an insurmountable obstacle. Studying in local language does not mean ignoring english. They do have languages in engineering college, don't they? If english is considered so important, then an extra subject can be added.

I see that you are in a good weekend mood :)

[dhurandhar]

Thaaank Gooad ha velji bhai tame gujju engineer nathi .. Imagine the loat of phun we would haaav if you writed soaftwaare in gujju

Imagine a if loop

if (x = 0)
do something
elsif (x = 2)
do something else
else
do nothing
end if

Agar (x zero che ) to
su kar
nahi to x bey cchee to
eva kar
nahi to jaava de ne

:D :D

holy fuck....cha, are you secretly training in comedy workshop or something?:D

:rep:

[echarcha]

holy fuck....cha, are you secretly training in comedy workshop or something?:D

:rep:

I like to think I am like Howard Stern, offcourse minus the talent, minus the fan following, minus the money, minus the audience :D

[dhurandhar]

I have a colleague here (from Gujarat) who told me she is scared of Snacks (she meant snakes)....until now I thought such mispronunciations to be a figment of somebody's imagination:D

[echarcha]

I have a colleague here (from Gujarat) who told me she is scared of Snacks (she meant snakes)....until now I thought such mispronunciations to be a figment of somebody's imagination:D

You wont believe me and its okay but I have heard a gujju say to the effect- 'Chis saeynd-weech saathey catch-up ekdum saraas lagse'

Chis ==> cheese
saeynd-weech ==> sandwich
Catch-up ==> Ketchup :D

[AmthaLal]

A big NO.

That maader**** Morarji Desai came to our college as a chief guest and said that.
He said all the education must be in local language. Means ke, he wanted us to become engineers in Gujarati?:rolleyes:

We booed him. Ask Amthalal. Who would give us job. Theek chhe ke hum sab loko ko job nahi karneka, sirf baap kaa naam roshan karneko engineer bananekaa thaa.

Pan baaki ke loko kaa kyaa?


ha ha ha .....Man it was fun. booing a PM of India.:D

Thaaank Gooad ha velji bhai tame gujju engineer nathi .. Imagine the loat of phun we would haaav if you writed soaftwaare in gujju

Imagine a if loop

if (x = 0)
do something
elsif (x = 2)
do something else
else
do nothing
end if

Agar (x zero che ) to
su kar
nahi to x bey cchee to
eva kar
nahi to jaava de ne

:D :D


Abe saalo Velji kee taang khinchnaa bandh karo. He has not started yet because of me. If he will start, trust me he will keep all us Mods busy.:D

[amritvani]

I have a colleague here (from Gujarat) who told me she is scared of Snacks (she meant snakes)....until now I thought such mispronunciations to be a figment of somebody's imagination:D

I have heard the other way round. The gujju said "let's eat snakes" when in fact he meant "let us eat snacks".:)

[amritvani]

Who said higher education in India in local language is political.

Higher education in local language ensures that the education will be used for state.

And whats so great about English that you have been streching about children studying in English medium school,agreed its a universal language but studying in local langauge does not make a person inferior or less educated.English is just an added advantage nothing else.

In Hindi medium, the trigonometric functions such as sin and cos etc are called jya and kojya. Even the names of countries change, for instance Egypt is called Mistra. I can see difficulties in adapting to English reference books if the study was in local language. Nevertheless I think it would be a good idea to study in English and learn key terms in local language.

[amritvani]

It is however regrettable that most of the scholorly work from the past such as ones in Sanskrit and other languages remains unread today. I doubt how many have read meghdoot or arthashastra or aryabhatiya which are now just names.

[tapasvi]

Starting this new thread on public demand



There are many countries where education is entirely in local languages in both europe and far east. However the primary reason in India to start higher education in local language is mostly political. Raniraja has a point above that it would help in mass communication when the professions require so. Is studying in English really tough for students? would you prefer your kids to study in english medium or local language?

What do you say?

I think higher education should be in either national language hindi or else in english. frankly, i would like to see all local languages to die and only hindi to survive in India. languages have more divided us than united.

[amritvani]

I think higher education should be in either national language hindi or else in english. frankly, i would like to see all local languages to die and only hindi to survive in India. languages have more divided us than united.

India already made the choice to accept languages other than national language (Hindi) in order to remain united. So the inference from your comment is to have higher education in English.