The Alligator River Story

[landyaBhai]

This is an ethics assignment wifey did in class this summer. It produced some pretty interesting results and debates, so I thought I'd post it and see if my choices alligned with other folks.

THE ALLIGATOR RIVER STORY

Instructions: Please read the following story. After reading the story, rank the five characters in the story in the space provided below it, beginning with the one you consider as most offensive, and ending with the one you consider as least objectionable. Also, briefly note your reasons as to why you ranked them in that order.

There lived a woman named Abigail who was in love with a man named Gregory. Gregory lived on the shore of a river. Abigail lived on the opposite shore of the same river. The river that separated the two lovers was teeming with dangerous alligators. Abigail wanted to cross the river to be with Gregory. Unfortunately, the bridge had been washed out by a heavy flood the previous week. So she went to ask Sinbad, a riverboat captain, to take her across. He said he would be glad to if she would consent to go to bed with him prior to the voyage. She promptly refused and went to a friend named Ivan to explain her plight. Ivan did not want to get involved at all in the situation. Abigail felt her only alternative was to accept Sinbad’s terms. Sinbad fulfilled his promise to Abigail and delivered her into the arms of Gregory.

When Abigail told Gregory about her amorous escapade in order to cross the river, Gregory cast her aside with disdain. Heartsick and rejected, Abigail turned to Slug with her tale of woe. Slug, feeling compassion for Abigail, sought out Gregory and beat him brutally. Abigail was overjoyed at the sight of Gregory getting his due. As the sun set on the horizon, people heard Abigail laughing at Gregory.

[landyaBhai]

Rank --------------------- Name --------------------- Reasons

First

Second

Third

Fourth

Fifth

[landyaBhai]

Rank --------------------- Name --------------------- Reasons

First --------------------- Abigail ----------------------- Woman is not sure what she wants and does not understand what his lover is all about

Second ------------------- Gregory --------------------- Cannot understand his woman main motive and evaluates trust by way of sex (some physical activity)

Third ---------------------- Ivan ----------------------- A friend that one should never have (this kind of a friend is in let-go dont-care mode)

Fourth -------------------- Slug ------------------------ Another friend that one should avoid (this kind is the active red-blooded types, the one not using his head)

Fifth ---------------------- Sinbad -------------------- The opportunist (in a way, everyone is)

[Napolean]

Rank --------------------- Name --------------------- Reasons

First Sinbad Looking for sex(or a favour at every opportunity)

Second Gregory - Shld have understood that his lover made utmost sacrifice only to meet him.

Third Ivan - Good for nothing kind of person

Fourth Slug - Very low on brains but will do anything for his friends

Fifth Abigail - She had reasons to be happy after the treatment meted out to her.She did what anybody will do.

[Sane Less]

Rank --------------------- Name --------------------- Reasons

First - Sinbad - Sleazy kind who take advantage of a situation

Second - Gregory - A guy who couldn't cross the river to meet his lady love before she does

Third - Abigail - She could have phoned Gregory to see whether he is okay with the deal

Fourth - Ivan - A wise guy who knows how to stay alive and safe... but no fun

Fifth - Slug - A good friend to have around... who can get low and dirty if needed

[tantric_yogi]

1st ......... Abigail ........ horny biatch in heat, should have waited for Gerg to come fetch her, so stupid that she had to tell him of sex with boatman.

IInd ...... Slug ......... brain-dead lesbian of masculine dyke type who hates men, she had no reason beating Greg not knowing feelings and emotions of a man.



Rest of the characters are innocent or pure opportunists ... Kaljug ... cant fault them for covering own ass before venturing out. Alligators ... pure opportunists ... we cant blame them for they need to survive. Poor Greg ... deserves sympathy. Sinbad is okay ... charity begins at home ... in this case payment with sex. Ivon ... a wise man ... he knows a woman in heat doesn't care nor can be reasoned with ... or perhaps a close friend of Greg aware of his true feelings toward Abigail.

[landyaBhai]

Alligators ... pure opportunists ... we cant blame them for they need to survive.

We missed the alligators ... (and it's funny you find them opportunist:D) :rotfl::rotfl:

Sinbad is okay ... charity begins at home ...

:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl: (how do you do it Yogijee ... I mean with words):smartass:

[tantric_yogi]

We missed the alligators ... (and it's funny you find them opportunist:D) :rotfl::rotfl:

I should have been a lawyer ... :smartass:



:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl: (how do you do it Yogijee ... I mean with words):smartass:

Okay ... I will be honest ... initially all my choices matched that of your post ... and I knew what most members are going to vote and why ... so I had to think out of the ordinary ;).



Do you realise ... my reply screws your fine thread? :clap:

[Rakhi]

Rank --------------------- Name --------------------- Reasons

First: Gregory. For rejecting Abigail when, whatever she did was to be with her partner. The relationship, I think, needs more understanding.

Second: Sinbad. For taking advantage of a women who was desperate to be reunited with her partner.

Third: Ivan. For claiming to be a friend but did not stand up to his friend when she really needed his help.

Fourth: Abigail. No man would like it if a women tells that she slept with someone else, no matter what the reasons are. She gave her partner so much trust but never really estimated his actually true personality/opinion etc.

Fifth: Slug. He wanted his friend to be happy but never guessed that she might change her mind in future.

[smellyfinger]

Rank --------------------- Name --------------------- Reasons

First : Abigail : For being one horny, manipulative, vindictive bitch.

No second, third, fourth and fifth. The horny slut was the only offensive one in the story. If she keeps her panties on, there is no story. End of story.

[tantric_yogi]

Rank --------------------- Name --------------------- Reasons

First: Gregory. For rejecting Abigail when, whatever she did was to be with her partner. The relationship, I think, needs more understanding.



Come now :) Rakhiji ... you are siding with Abigail just cause she is a female? Gregory is the victim. Abigail slept with boatman today, tomorrow grocer, and candle maker day after tomorrow. Woman got no honor. And she had poor man beaten just cause he rejected her and objected to her promiscuous life-style. What kind of woman has friends like Slug? A woman who is rotten to the core.

What kind of man do you wish Gregory to be? For sure she had sex again with Sinbad to pay for trip back home.

:) Rakhiji ... a nice person like you should never side with a Kulachni and Karamjali aurat like Abigail. Shoba nahi detta. Reflects bad on you. ;)

[Rakhi]

Come now :) Rakhiji ... you are siding with Abigail just cause she is a female? Gregory is the victim. Abigail slept with boatman today, tomorrow grocer, and candle maker day after tomorrow. Woman got no honor. And she had poor man beaten just cause he rejected her and objected to her promiscuous life-style. What kind of woman has friends like Slug? A woman who is rotten to the core.

What kind of man do you wish Gregory to be? For sure she had sex again with Sinbad to pay for trip back home.

:) Rakhiji ... a nice person like you should never side with a Kulachni and Karamjali aurat like Abigail. Shoba nahi detta. Reflects bad on you. ;)

No TantricJi, I am not siding with Abigail just because she is a female. I strongly believe that what she had done is not wrong. If it would have happened the other way round, I bet you any money that, Gregory would have slept with (generalizing) a boat women without a moments hesitation...do you agree?

But I do think that she had been stupid. what is the guarantee that the boat man would not blackmail her in future, even if Gregory had accepted her?

[tantric_yogi]

I bet you any money that, Gregory would have slept with (generalizing) a boat women without a moments hesitation...do you agree?



Sleep with boatwoman? :whacky: No ... I won't. Landyabhai won't for sure. Most of our members are good and honorable men ... they won't.

And most important ... Abigail didn't sleep with the boatman. She had sex with boatman to pay for the trip. Gregory could have forgiven her if she had innocent sleep with Sinbad.

I recall having slept with hundred men and women at Mumbai Central Station cause 9.30pm inter-state train was delayed by several hours. I admitted to my wife before I married her ... "I don't care who you slept with before meeting me, as long as you are faithful from today" ... she said and forgave me. Which made me believe that sleeping is okay ... sex is not okay.

[Rakhi]

Sleep with boatwoman? :whacky: No ... I won't. Landyabhai won't for sure. Most of our members are good and honorable men ... they won't.
Yes, this I am sure. Pardon me, I take back what I said. I didn't mean disrespect to any one.

And most important ... Abigail didn't sleep with the boatman. She had sex with boatman to pay for the trip. Gregory could have forgiven her if she had innocent sleep with Sinbad.
So what could she have done? Stay where she is and do nothing about it?

I recall having slept with hundred men and women at Mumbai Central Station cause 9.30pm inter-state train was delayed by several hours. I admitted to my wife before I married her ... "I don't care who you slept with before meeting me, as long as you are faithful from today" ... she said and forgave me. Which made me believe that sleeping is okay ... sex is not okay.

It depends mostly on ones thinking to another. I mean, these days Women would surely find other ways to get what they want, instead of giving in like what she did. She was disparate and did what she thought was her best bet.

[tantric_yogi]

It depends mostly on ones thinking to another. I mean, these days Women would surely find other ways to get what they want, instead of giving in like what she did. She was disparate and did what she thought was her best bet.

Rakhiji ... I am kidding ... otherwise being a man I have no way of appreciationg Abigail's mental condition or feelings ... given the circumstances and her wish to be with lover at any cost.

But can understand why Gregory rejected her.

Even a great man like Lord Rama had to demand proof from Sita. We are mere men.

[jana05]

1> Abigali: The impatient desperate woman who will do anything to get to her point, even willing to violate the ethics. Even if she did not have sex with Sinbad, she is bound to make Greg's life a hell, assuming Greg reaches her later. A potential bitch - its the end which matters to her, not the means. One has to be far away from such a person. An un-dependable character.

2> Gregory: The brainless lazy dude. If a boat can cross the river, he could have done it too. But if Sinbad's boat isn't available to him first, he has no choice but to wait. But poor Gregory has no strength to defend himself nor could understand the despo Abigali.

3> Ivan: The irresponsible laid back dar-pok, who thinks safety of his own skin. Nothing in him to trust at any point of time - this guy will never have friends. No pity to even at a woman's plight???

4> Slug: A red-hot blood youth with below average intelligence, His hands will always work first than his brain.... If he used his brain to convince Greg, he might have given the relationship a chance.

5> Sinbad: The prompt and the man who will keep his words. Even though its sex in the story, just for the sake of substituting sex with money or some other favour, reward, this man will keep his word. He will not deceive you at any point of time. He kept his word.

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If only the aspects of sex and love is removed from the story, what comes up in the story is every days' situation. when we want something, many would find themselves in Abigali's situation - I don't mean sex, but perhaps a bribe. When a friend among us is cheated, we are in Slug's situation. When we don't "want" to involve, its Ivan. When somebody needs a desperate job and we can do it, we do charge the money - the way Sinbad did it.

[landyaBhai]

If only the aspects of sex and love is removed from the story, what comes up in the story is every days' situation. when we want something, many would find themselves in Abigali's situation - I don't mean sex, but perhaps a bribe. When a friend among us is cheated, we are in Slug's situation. When we don't "want" to involve, its Ivan. When somebody needs a desperate job and we can do it, we do charge the money - the way Sinbad did it.

practical outlook JanaPai ... :rep:

[desichacha]

1> Ivan: I find this most offensive. Minding your own business when a friend comes for help is most offensive to me. Least he can do is, listen to friend and give her advice. You don't have to help one way is fine but no way is the worst thing

2> Slug: she/he did what his/her friend wanted but without thinking long term consequences. A friend raged with emotions need a calm person to help them see through situation and act rationally. If we all always just do what our friends in rage or drunken state want then we all know that we can get into various troubles

3> Abigali: She is one strange person. Desires but not enough effort to implement them or out of box thinking . She did what every lazy person does..ask one person and when one doesnot get help..go with the most obvious choice even though it is harmful in the long term

4> Gregory: Every lover reacts in one way or other. He could have reacted more sensibly but he reacted how 99.99% behave. We cannot expect everyone to be smart and sensible.

5> Sinbad: A man needs something back for service he is offering. It is capitalist world in USA but choice so we cannot expect charity from strangers otherwise market will break. It is Abigali's thing to offer him more choices like money once she reaches where Gregory will be around to receiver her. Or he can walk with her to his house and get more etc etc

Landya let me what do u think

[sarv_shaktimaan]

1. Ivan is an aloof person who can't help a friend in need. He is the worst for me.

2. Next is Slug. Helping a friend is one thing but to kill for a friend's miserable condition.

3. Sinbad and Abigail are similar in some respects. Both know exactly what they want and they get it acc. to the story. God knows what Abigail's reasons were for being so desperate to reach her lover.

4. The story doesn't elaborate why Abigail had to choose sex with another man just to cross the river to be with Gregory. I think Gregory was right in rejecting her. She's seems too possessive and a bit of a maniac. Finally she got him killed.

[Rakhi]

After I read all these responses, it is evident that everyone reacts so differently to a given situation. If something is a criminal offense to me (like forgetting wife's birthday), it need not even classify as an offense to someone else.

[JaiSpeaks]

Ranks


1) Abigail - she is the bitch
2) Gregory - lazy and laid back . doesnt have a plan for himself
3) Slug - Brainless prick . Can be swayed with slightest provocation.
4) Ivan - The Aloof guy . Nothing offensive to be aloof but do not expect anything
5) Sindbad - the genuine of the lot . never mixes words . he is what he is . take it or move on

[landyaBhai]

After I read all these responses, it is evident that everyone reacts so differently to a given situation. If something is a criminal offense to me (like forgetting wife's birthday), it need not even classify as an offense to someone else.

:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl: RakhiTai, who in the right mind would forget ones wife's birthday ... I am sure even the mullahs in SaudiArabia will not do it for all their 4 wives ...

[landyaBhai]

1> Ivan: I find this most offensive. Minding your own business when a friend comes for help is most offensive to me. Least he can do is, listen to friend and give her advice. You don't have to help one way is fine but no way is the worst thing

2> Slug: she/he did what his/her friend wanted but without thinking long term consequences. A friend raged with emotions need a calm person to help them see through situation and act rationally. If we all always just do what our friends in rage or drunken state want then we all know that we can get into various troubles

3> Abigali: She is one strange person. Desires but not enough effort to implement them or out of box thinking . She did what every lazy person does..ask one person and when one doesnot get help..go with the most obvious choice even though it is harmful in the long term

4> Gregory: Every lover reacts in one way or other. He could have reacted more sensibly but he reacted how 99.99% behave. We cannot expect everyone to be smart and sensible.

5> Sinbad: A man needs something back for service he is offering. It is capitalist world in USA but choice so we cannot expect charity from strangers otherwise market will break. It is Abigali's thing to offer him more choices like money once she reaches where Gregory will be around to receiver her. Or he can walk with her to his house and get more etc etc

Landya let me what do u think

DesiPai, I am not sure ... Ivan and Slug represent two different polarities of friendship and the story is not quite sure about Ivan ... does not say much ... But the ordering makes me believe that you are a lot into friends and wouldnt want such friends in your life ...

[JaiSpeaks]

DesiPai, I am not sure ... Ivan and Slug represent two different polarities of friendship and the story is not quite sure about Ivan ... does not say much ... But the ordering makes me believe that you are a lot into friends and wouldnt want such friends in your life ...

Thinking about it , yeah Ivan is not so clear . He may have said no because he knew how big of a bitch abigail is and just wanted to stay out of anything abigail ...

[Rakhi]

Thinking about it , yeah Ivan is not so clear . He may have said no because he knew how big of a bitch abigail is and just wanted to stay out of anything abigail ...

Abigail is not a bitch! Why are you being so prejudiced here? When she has slept with the boat man to get whatever she wants (in this case Gregory) she is called a bitch!! Because she doesn't have ethics!!

Same thing Sindbad had done (slept with her) yet he is genuine of the lot?

When Abigail does something ethics comes to picture, but why not when Sindbad does it? Abigail also took it and moved on, just like Sindbad.

[sarv_shaktimaan]

Abigail is not a bitch!
Abigail and Sinbad both are bitches. See my reply above somewhere. :D

[Rakhi]

Abigail and Sinbad both are bitches. See my reply above somewhere. :D

Well, I would say they both are opportunists :).
Imagine a situation if Sindbad was also not available to help her out. At least now both Gregory and Abigail must be thinking "At least now I know his/her true colors"

[smellyfinger]

Abigail is not a bitch! Why are you being so prejudiced here? When she has slept with the boat man to get whatever she wants (in this case Gregory) she is called a bitch!! Because she doesn't have ethics!!

Same thing Sindbad had done (slept with her) yet he is genuine of the lot?

When Abigail does something ethics comes to picture, but why not when Sindbad does it? Abigail also took it and moved on, just like Sindbad.


OK - she is not a bitch! She is a horny slut!!

You dont know anything about Sinbad. Other than the fact that he agreed to take her across the river for no money. So he's a good guy. :D

[Rakhi]

OK - she is not a bitch! She is a horny slut!!

You dont know anything about Sinbad. Other than the fact that he agreed to take her across the river for no money. So he's a good guy. :D

She being horny or not is besides the point! It's not as if she had promised him sex and then backed out of it when she reached Gregory. She had paid him (in kind) as this was how Sindbad wanted....

Both Abigail and Sindbad were honest about their intentions. (ethical or otherwise)

[smellyfinger]

She being horny or not is besides the point! It's not as if she had promised him sex and then backed out of it when she reached Gregory. She had paid him (in kind) as this was how Sindbad wanted....

Both Abigail and Sindbad were honest about their intentions.


Why didnt she just pay him in cash? :D :D She couldnt wait until she got to her boyfriend to have sex?? So her being super horny has everything to do with this!

I am not saying that she was dishonest about keeping her end of the deal. Why couldnt she just wait? Did she ask her boyfriends opinion on whether she could sleep around? And then why be surprised when she gets thrown out? And then why be vindictive and have someone beat him up? See, all the character flaws are hers and hers alone.

[Rakhi]

Why didnt she just pay him in cash? :D :D She couldnt wait until she got to her boyfriend to have sex?? So her being super horny has everything to do with this!
If she were given an option, I am sure she must have paid cash:rolleyes:

I am not saying that she was dishonest about keeping her end of the deal. Why couldnt she just wait? Did she ask her boyfriends opinion on whether she could sleep around? And then why be surprised when she gets thrown out? And then why be vindictive and have someone beat him up? See, all the character flaws are hers and hers alone.

You are kidding right? Where was Gregory when she needed him the most for her to ask his opinion and all.
I do agree that she had been stupid...to love Gregory so much without knowing him well.

[sarv_shaktimaan]

You are kidding right? Where was Gregory when she needed him the most?
Why didn't she give him a call? They had a family plan... free minutes... rollover minutes running into thousands.

[smellyfinger]

Why didn't she give him a call? They had a family plan... free minutes... rollover minutes running into thousands.


I think she even tried phone sex with Gregory .... but it was not as satisfying as Sinbad, who she had heard through the grapevine was a very well endowed boatman.

[smellyfinger]

You are kidding right? Where was Gregory when she needed him the most for her to ask his opinion and all.
I do agree that she had been stupid...to love Gregory so much without knowing him well.


How is Gregory going to get across the river? Sinbad wasnt bisexual, so Gregory had nothing to give him. :D

But lets face it. The story is missing a lot of detail. S/he could have sent a message through one of the people on Sinbad's boat. S/he had many other options that could have been explored. But only SHE went with the option of sleeping around. HE did not. And dont give me that crap about what he would have done.

[Rakhi]

How is Gregory going to get across the river? Sinbad wasnt bisexual, so Gregory had nothing to give him. :D

But lets face it. The story is missing a lot of detail. S/he could have sent a message through one of the people on Sinbad's boat. S/he had many other options that could have been explored. But only SHE went with the option of sleeping around. HE did not. And dont give me that crap about what he would have done.

This is a biased opinion you are trying to put forth...
If you read the story properly again, it says that Abigail PROMPTLY refused when Sindbad initially proposes the deal. Later when Ivan didn't help she realizes that she doesn't have any choice. Only then does she gives in.

[Cooldude]

Gregory: A lazy bum, who should have taken the first move or initiative to unite with his lost love. And a person who should have accepted his lover’s confession as the right stance than treat with disdain.

Ivan: A person who believes in minding his own business than helping a friend in need doesn’t deserve to be trusted or befriended.

Abigail: A not so trustworthy woman, who should have found other means to unite with Gregory.

Slug: All brawn with little brains dude, who could be lethal & cannot be taken into confidence.

Sinbad: A person who though an opportunist believes in keeping his word.

[smellyfinger]

This is a biased opinion you are trying to put forth...
If you read the story properly again, it says that Abigail PROMPTLY refused when Sindbad initially proposes the deal. Later when Ivan didn't help she realizes that she doesn't have any choice. Only then does she gives in.


And how was Ivan going to help her anyway?

And of course she has a choice. She can wait! The bridge will be rebuilt. There will be another boat at some time. Gregory will try and get across too. There are a lot of unexplored options. She chose the one where she boinks the boatman.

Abigail should know that patience is a virtue. Especially in one who has no other virtue.

[Rakhi]

And how was Ivan going to help her anyway?

And of course she has a choice. She can wait! The bridge will be rebuilt. There will be another boat at some time. Gregory will try and get across too. There are a lot of unexplored options. She chose the one where she boinks the boatman.

Abigail should know that patience is a virtue. Especially in one who has no other virtue.

Never mind. I am not going to agree with you and likewise. In a way it served her good for loving such a person like Gregory.

[JaiSpeaks]

You are kidding right? Where was Gregory when she needed him the most for her to ask his opinion and all.
I do agree that she had been stupid...to love Gregory so much without knowing him well.

Your whole point revolves around the assumption that abigail is absolutely in love with Gregory . That's shady considering her actions later when she gets Slug to beat him up and get overjoyed . Maybe she is an opportunist but she is very calculative and manipulative woman

[smellyfinger]

Never mind. I am not going to agree with you and likewise. In a way it served her good for loving such a person like Gregory.


Also, please read the story carefully. It says that Abigail is in love with Gregory. Nowhere does it say that Gregory was also in love with Abigail. What about that?

(BTW, the story does call them lovers, but that just means that they have had sex).

[Rakhi]

Your whole point revolves around the assumption that abigail is absolutely in love with Gregory . That's shady considering her actions later when she gets Slug to beat him up and get overjoyed . Maybe she is an opportunist but she is very calculative and manipulative woman

She was in love with him but couldn't take it when he refuses her, after all the trouble she has gone through.

Don't think of her as just Abigail. Think of her like a real person..a women who has to go through the trauma of sleeping with someone whom she didn't love...but does not have a choice. Its not an easy decision.

[Rakhi]

Also, please read the story carefully. It says that Abigail is in love with Gregory. Nowhere does it say that Gregory was also in love with Abigail. What about that?
Yes, what about it? If Gregory has not proclaimed his love for her, then she certainly wouldn't have gone to the boatman.

(BTW, the story does call them lovers, but that just means that they have had sex).

If it was only for sex, she had no reason to cross the river (filled with alligators) and go to Gregory. She would have got plenty to fool around.

[tantric_yogi]

If it was only for sex, she had no reason to cross the river (filled with alligators) and go to Gregory. She would have got plenty to fool around.

Rekhaji ... do you have a married friend? Tell her to ask husband ... if he will marry Abigail and why not if not? Gregory was right in his decision ... she did turn out to be a vindictive biatch.

[sunnykode]

Rank --------------------- Name --------------------- Reasons

First - Abigail - Should have waited for situation to change. She did not know Gregory (how he would react) and made a decision in hurry.
Lesson : Know your lover.

Second - Gregory - being in love, he should have recognized his lovers pain and sided with her.
Lesson : Don't sacrifice without being share of the outcome.

Third - Ivan - No need to have such friends around.
Lesson : A friend in need is a friend in deed.

Fourth - Slug - Did help a friend (Abigail) but without analyzing the situation. Remember this is not a brotherly love, who is to say that he will not pounce on Abigail with first chance he has?
Lesson : Make sure you ask help to the right person.

Fifth - Sinbad - Pure Opportunist. Laid his demand and delivered on his word. Bure business and nothing else.
Lesson : Every one is opportunist at some level.

_____

[sunnykode]

If it was only for sex, she had no reason to cross the river (filled with alligators) and go to Gregory. She would have got plenty to fool around.
Rakhiji reading your replies all I can say is you are woman. You are thinking from Abigail's point of view. But the idea is to look at all the characters and then judge them. Remember this is a class for college, so sex is just there to through ppl off.
And guys will be guys :D. So better check/know ones partner before doing things for him is all I would say.

[landyaBhai]

I was thinking if these kind of threads generate a lot of interest (in terms of the debates), I have few more lined up ... So the question(s) now remains:

(1) Do you folks really want it (It is somewhat similar to the list of 10)
(2) Is Monday OK for such threads :D


:rotfl::rotfl:

[sunnykode]

I was thinking if these kind of threads generate a lot of interest (in terms of the debates), I have few more lined up ... So the question(s) now remains:

(1) Do you folks really want it (It is somewhat similar to the list of 10)
(2) Is Monday OK for such threads :D


yes sir get them on :D

[landyaBhai]

yes sir get them on :D

I mean dont you think these are like those ethical questions posed in Vikram -- Betaal ...

Now I can almost hear the background music of that TV episode shown during the doordarshan times ...

can anyone fetch the music or the video ... Just for inspiration... Would want to imagine myself as betaal ...

Hee Hee Haaa Haa ... Vikram Vikram Betaal Betaal ...:rotfl::rotfl:

[chitrala]

Finally summed up the courage to read the story ..... it was good...saala sex, maar dhaad se bharpoor parivaarik kahaani...
my rankings..

Abigail: Jab pul tha tab tto gayi nahin... jab toot gaya to itni hadbadi...plus..she is the one who slept with everyone... except Ivan.

Ivan: for letting go of such an incredible opportunity...

rest are ok... on the same rank...

[JaiSpeaks]

She was in love with him but couldn't take it when he refuses her, after all the trouble she has gone through.

Then I would expect that she will be even more hurt seeing Gregory in that condition isnt it?

Don't think of her as just Abigail. Think of her like a real person..a women who has to go through the trauma of sleeping with someone whom she didn't love...but does not have a choice. Its not an easy decision.

If she really is going through the trauma of sex with stranger then you cannot call her an opportunist , as you classified her before.


Waiting for your love is love too isn't it ? or maybe thats just in movies and I do watch that a lot...

[krantikari]

1st ......... Abigail ........ horny biatch in heat, should have waited for Gerg to come fetch her, so stupid that she had to tell him of sex with boatman.

IInd ...... Slug ......... brain-dead lesbian of masculine dyke type who hates men, she had no reason beating Greg not knowing feelings and emotions of a man.



Rest of the characters are innocent or pure opportunists ... Kaljug ... cant fault them for covering own ass before venturing out. Alligators ... pure opportunists ... we cant blame them for they need to survive. Poor Greg ... deserves sympathy. Sinbad is okay ... charity begins at home ... in this case payment with sex. Ivon ... a wise man ... he knows a woman in heat doesn't care nor can be reasoned with ... or perhaps a close friend of Greg aware of his true feelings toward Abigail.

Repped you !

[krantikari]

First --- Slug --- This asshole avoided swimming in the alligator waters to beat Sinbad and instead went about beating poor Greg. Very much like the police officer who keep arresting Pakya just because he isn't capable of finding the real culprit.

Second --- Gregory --- The unbecoming of a man ... for letting Abigail do the crossing the river part. He started all this.

Third --- Abigail --- For always depending on someone else for her work... many femmies in offices these days are like her... will tag onto a male to get her to places like shopping, going around etc... Where do you draw the line ? Some just give company ... some touch and let touch... some ok with kisses and hugs ... and a few squeezes ..... and some go even further ... and maybe a few go all the way.

Fourth --- Sinbad --- Not a very nice person... but I am glad he didn't use physical force.

Last --- Ivan --- He is just minding his business. He doesn't get into troubles. For had he helped, and things may have turned out different and Abigail would accuse him of rape ... we never can trust people... ya.. women too.

[dirty]

Gregory - If Alibai wanted to had the pleasure of her sex , she would not have told him . The sex was means to get to Gregory. Scondly, what was Gregory doing on other end of shore. If Agibig can find a boat , why cant Gregory.

I dont find any other a-hole in the story. Sinbad - I would have done the same and he did keep his words.

[Rakhi]

Waiting for your love is love too isn't it ? or maybe thats just in movies and I do watch that a lot...

Waiting for love...One should really be separated from the one they love, to know the real pain. Books, poems, songs, movies etc come no where closer to what the heart feels like when you are separated. Maybe its a different experience for men. Hence the reason when Abigail was doing everything in her power, Gregory didn't even attempt (at least as far as we know).

I totally agree with Dirty here. If she was after sex, she would not have told Gregory about Sinbad’s demands. I believe she wanted an honest relationship and hence she told.

When a person is angry, they usually do not judge a situation rationally. This is why it is important to calm down before making any decisions which potentially have an impact on life. Hindsight, Abigail would have regretted getting Gregory beaten up. Gregory also for that matter would have regretted letting go of Abigail, Abigail who has done everything in her power to be united with Gregory, Abigail who was honest with him even when she could have easily avoided the truth, which Gregory will never know.

[razzrhino]

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I totally agree with Dirty here. If she was after sex, she would not have told Gregory about Sinbad’s demands. I believe she wanted an honest relationship and hence she told.




This is a totally bullshit feminist POV. if a woman sleeps around and then tells her loved one, then it's because she wants an honest relationship and needs to be understood. If a man does the same - he is a cheater and deserves to be kicked in the ass...

Oh double standards - thy name is female....:D

[jana05]

I was thinking if these kind of threads generate a lot of interest (in terms of the debates), I have few more lined up ... So the question(s) now remains:

(1) Do you folks really want it (It is somewhat similar to the list of 10)
(2) Is Monday OK for such threads :D


:rotfl::rotfl:

Having a little gap(perhaps alternate Mondays) between the threads should be good since people would get some time to relax and think after the fight/debate.... :D

[jana05]

This is a totally bullshit feminist POV. if a woman sleeps around and then tells her loved one, then it's because she wants an honest relationship and needs to be understood. If a man does the same - he is a cheater and deserves to be kicked in the ass...

Oh double standards - thy name is female....:D

I disagree.

The original question was a way to judge the behavior of person. Sex and romance just emotional factors to disturb rational thought.

Sticking to only sex and romance men and women think differently. Both can't be same.

Question to prove point:
For men:
If your wife confesses saying she loves another man, will you accept her?

or

If your wife confesses saying she had sex with a man, will you accept her?

For Women:
If your husband confesses saying he loves another female, will you accept him?

or

If your husband confesses saying he had sex with a female, will you accept him?

Please ignore if offended or too personal a question.

[krantikari]

...Abigail who was honest with him even when she could have easily avoided the truth, which Gregory will never know.

you reely tinkso? afterall... sinbad is a character who would boast and soon word would get around.

[JaiSpeaks]

Waiting for love...One should really be separated from the one they love, to know the real pain. Books, poems, songs, movies etc come no where closer to what the heart feels like when you are separated. Maybe its a different experience for men. Hence the reason when Abigail was doing everything in her power, Gregory didn't even attempt (at least as far as we know).

I totally agree with Dirty here. If she was after sex, she would not have told Gregory about Sinbad’s demands. I believe she wanted an honest relationship and hence she told.

When a person is angry, they usually do not judge a situation rationally. This is why it is important to calm down before making any decisions which potentially have an impact on life. Hindsight, Abigail would have regretted getting Gregory beaten up. Gregory also for that matter would have regretted letting go of Abigail, Abigail who has done everything in her power to be united with Gregory, Abigail who was honest with him even when she could have easily avoided the truth, which Gregory will never know.

You shldnt assume hindsight for Abigail when you also assume that Gregory did not do anything . And pain of separation is there I agree but there is nothing in the story that says they will never meet . It was just one week not really a separation that demanded such a drastic measure from Abigail.

Moreover why is there no regret from Abigail about sleeping with Sinbad I wonder. And if honesty is such a virtue why is cheating so bad then? Today Abigail slept with Sinbad to meet . So one day Abigail decides to get married and because Gregory is not so well off she decides to seek Sinbad and he will say : "Oh so you want to get married start a family , I will give you a million dollars sleep with me and then you can have happily married life " . Why wont she take this offer and come tell Gregory I did this for us ?