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December 17th, 2000, 06:05 PM
Indian guys are basically animals who are to be sold in the market place.These leacherous Hyenas claim dowry from unsuspecting girls.I have heard that you eunuchs also burn girls alive on they not paying you.I think that Hindus once again prove that they are incapable of fighting with us
macho Muslims so they try and prove their piddly Machismo by burning their wives.
You infidels are trying to speak about our holy Jihad.First try and look at what you Hindus are in the first place.
You are nothing but salable objects.Tell me one thing you Kaffars!! do your women bargain your price?.
The desire and ambition of Alampanah Aurangzeb to bring Islam to the entire subcontinent will soon be realised starting from Kashmir.You self respectless greedy Hindus are no match for us Pakistanis who are inspired by none other than Allah!
December 17th, 2000, 08:43 PM
December 18th, 2000, 12:13 AM
arey yaar ..koyi ambulance bulao
yaha ek Mentally Handicapped patient pada hua hain :D
December 18th, 2000, 03:45 AM
lagta hai beghum number four se jootay paRay aaj alampanah aurangzeb ko. tabhi itnay tapay huay haiN.
oye mundu, inko aik gilaas thandi lassi maro!
December 18th, 2000, 06:34 AM
Yeh MUNDU kiska id hai bhai????
Waise aungu pahji bohat din ho gaye si yaar tuwaahnu bada miss keeta baadshao....inne dinaan ko kisi de tuhey(bum)te latt nai maari na islayi
December 18th, 2000, 12:21 PM
abey Bhen de takey Aurangzeb, tune kabhi suna hain "Naya Naya Mullah allah hi allah pukare", saale aur kuch nahi tere pass kahne ko.
saale chutiye, tujhe dekh kar mujhe kabhi kabhi us bakri ki yaad aatin hain, jiske piche bachche lakdi ka dunda daal daite hain, aur phir wo usko nikal nahi paation aur gali gali bhagti phirti hain, lagta hain bhai kisi indian ne bada dunda kiya hain tere ko.....dont worry bhagta rah, kisi din to girega...........
December 18th, 2000, 01:25 PM
No one has answered me logically.I think you Indians do not have the capability of answering logically!
December 18th, 2000, 01:29 PM
Yaar mereko koi yeh batao ke isko iss word(logic) ke spelling kisne sikha diye??
December 19th, 2000, 06:32 AM
Why are you so concerned about Islam in the subcontinent ?? You are in the US right now. By your definition, aren't Americans also Kaffars and infidels ?? Why dont you try this spiel on them ?? How come it is OK to work in a country of infidels here without a peep. Have you tried bringing Mughal Raj to the US ??
What I am saying is, its all very easy to say Allah this, and kaffar that. But when it comes to your own career and opportunities, all that is forgotten. Does it not shame your (fanatical) Islam soul that you are dependent on infidels for your daily bread ??
You want a logical answer - yes we have a problem of dowry in India, that is why it is illegal. There will always be assholes who want to stick to a centuries old tradition, but they are breaking the law. I dont know if you have the same problem in Pakistan (actually - you probably dont. Why would anyone pay to get his daughter married to a Paki :) ), but I am sure there are other problems in Pakistan you are not proud of either.
Bottom line - no country is perfect, especially third world countries (which both are).
Anyway, you are in the US. Start a Jihad here, dude. I am waiting for it..
December 19th, 2000, 06:37 AM
Aurangzeb will start a jehad called MUJHE MERI BIWI SE BACHAO...forget it smelly you are in increasing the smell here by answering this guy because then he will have a chance to say something in reponse...iska ilaaj yehi hai ke let him carry on with his fanatical farts in isloation
December 19th, 2000, 08:48 AM
Pakistani kutte to bhonkte hi rehte hai hamesha......let him keep on barking....ignore that pakistani!!!:b
December 19th, 2000, 09:27 AM
bhai logo real tv main ek baar dekha tha, ek kutiya padi huee hain jungle main, saare jaanwar aakar use baja rahen hain, saal ke baad uska ek buchcha paida hua, sub jaanwar soch rahe the, kiske jaisa hoga, finally dekha to uski shakal kutte aur suar se miltee thi, unhone bahut socha ki his harami ka naam kya rakhe
aur phir uska naam rakha aurangzeb.......
December 19th, 2000, 09:47 AM
I agree that dowry is a shameful practice still prevalent in amny communities in different parts of India. But with awareness and strciter laws dowry incidents are not on the rise. But gaian, one cannot claim that dowry has been totally wiped out from Indian society.
Its basically a matter of a families values and upbringing. If a family or section of society is morally bankrupt and accepts dowry then the only thing that can wipe it is education and awareness.
Anyway, aurangzeb you take such vile pleasure in piting otu all that is bad in Indian society. I wish I had all the free time and perverted mind set like you to just spew venom.
Can you tell me about your divorce proceedings. I know of one very famous case in India where Begum Sha-Bano was divorced (talaak) by her husband. He just said the words talaak three times and he got a divorce as per your Sharia law. The poor woman Sha-Bano (poor in all senses) asked the court that she be given support money or alimony.
The Supreme court also agreed that she should receive support money, but all your Paki minded religious leaders created a hue and cry. So the Supreme Court's ruling was set aside by the then politicians.
Well this was sad... I am sure that you Pakistani fellows also just dispose of your wives like used toilet paper.
See there are good and bad points in every society. I dont think the case example I gave is any way absolving Hindus who take dowry. But you are so hell bent on giving this whole topic a Hindu-Muslim color that I had to point this out. It really does not matter whether you are Muslim or Hindu.... what matters is whether you are a human being inside your body or a crazed wild dog!
Before you just write rot on this site, please understand that silence and tolerance from echarcha side is not a sign of weakness but that of a more mature level of thinking and understanding.
December 19th, 2000, 11:10 AM
E-CHARCHA AND AURANGZEB
1. Islam says that "Before Divorce, the intentions may be THRICE checked" Some rascals have interpreted it to mean that you say "TALAQ" Three times, and the divorce is through. Howevere, PROGRESSIVE Muslims (Ahmedias, Bohris, Zakarias, Guwarias, Shamias, Iqballias, etc) round the world follow the TRUE interpretation of the words in the Qoran Sharief ie. The couple has to establish before THREE SEPARATE AND INDEPENDENT courts the reason and validity for divorce. Just because the Shah Bano Case interpreted it wrongly does not make the Qoran wrong.
2. The Qoran Sharief and Sunnah are clear. On divorce the man may remarry - but the maximum number of re marriages permitted are FOUR - But only one wife at a time. Some rascals have said that a man may enjoy the company of four womens maximum AT A TIME. They have added "AT A TIME" to the interpretation. Rather than "4 MARRIAGES", it has come down to "4 WIVES". Just because some fellas did that does not mean that ISLAM treats the women as disposable.
3. This is the Problem with India. Someone reads something he knows little about, argues in a way he understands not, gets ridiculous conclusions and creates problems. eg.
a) "When a man stands with a heavy load on his head and does not move, he expends no energy and does no work" (Mathew Johnson's Physics Vol I). Here "work/energy" has a specific meaning. But Shibu Soren comments "Mathewji has nevewr been a coolie. What does he understand? This is anti-poor"
b) "Remember my friends, always try for Jehad".(Chisti). Jehad means justice. We should fight for justice. Baal Thackeray interprets its as "Tyranny" and says "Chisti is fundamentalist and should be banned!"
c) Manu Smriti says : There are 4 castes (occupation groups), viz Brahmin (Religion), Khatriya (Government), Vysya (Trade) and Shudra (Labour). Never should they meet or mix (Independence of State and Religion, Non-interference of State in Trade - ie Free Market, Freedom for labor from Govt (ie free Unions) etc). Rather than understanding this, Ambedkar burns the Manu Smriti!!
Has this any sense? I just ask this : UNDERSTAND AND THEN TALK!!!
December 19th, 2000, 01:08 PM
Am producing a report which was published in Amnesty Website
Women in Pakistan live in fear. They face death by shooting, burning or killing with axes if they are deemed to have brought shame on the family. They are killed for supposed 'illicit' relationships, for marrying men of their choice, for divorcing abusive husbands. They are even murdered by their kin if they are raped as they are thereby deemed to have brought shame on their family. The truth of the suspicion does not matter -- merely the allegation is enough to bring dishonour on the family and therefore justifies the slaying.
The lives of millions of women in Pakistan are circumscribed by traditions which enforce extreme seclusion and submission to men. Male relatives virtually own them and punish contraventions of their proprietary control with violence. For the most part, women bear traditional male control over every aspect of their bodies, speech and behaviour with stoicism, as part of their fate, but exposure to media, the work of women's groups and a greater degree of mobility have seen the beginnings of women's rights awareness seep into the secluded world of women. But if women begin to assert their rights, however tentatively, the response is harsh and immediate: the curve of honour killings has risen parallel to the rise in awareness of rights.
Every year hundreds of women are known to die as a result of honour killings. Many more cases go unreported and almost all go unpunished. The isolation and fear of women living under such threats are compounded by state indifference to and complicity in women's oppression. Police almost invariably take the man's side in honour killings or domestic murders, and rarely prosecute the killers. Even when the men are convicted, the judiciary ensures that they usually receive a light sentence, reinforcing the view that men can kill their female relatives with virtual impunity. Specific laws hamper redress as they discriminate against women.
The isolation of women is completed by the almost total absence of anywhere to hide. There are few women's shelters, and any woman attempting to travel on her own is a target for abuse by police, strangers or male relatives hunting for her. For some women suicide appears the only means of escape.
Abuses by private actors such as honour killings are crimes under the country's criminal laws. However, systematic failure by the state to prevent and to investigate them and to punish perpetrators leads to international responsibility of the state. The Government of Pakistan has taken no measures to end honour killings and to hold perpetrators to account. It has failed to train police and judges to be gender neutral and to amend discriminatory laws. It has ignored Article 5 of the Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Discrimination against Women, which it ratified in 1996, which obliges states to "modify the social and cultural patterns of conduct of men and women" to eliminate prejudice and discriminatory traditions.
Some apologists claim that traditional practices as genuine manifestations of a community's culture may not be subjected to scrutiny from the perspective of rights contained in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. Against this, the 1993 World Conference on Human Rights in the Vienna Declaration and Programme of Action stated: "All human rights are universal, indivisible and interdependent and interrelated" and asserted the duty of states "to promote all human rights and fundamental freedoms". The United Nations General Assembly in 1993 adopted the Declaration on the Elimination of Violence against Women which urges states not to "invoke custom, tradition or religious consideration to avoid their obligation" to eliminate discriminatory treatment of women.
While recognizing the importance of cultural diversity, Amnesty International stands resolutely in defence of the universality of human rights, particularly the most fundamental rights to life and freedom from torture and ill-treatment. The role of the state is to ensure the full protection of these rights, where necessary mediating 'tradition' through education and the law.
This report is the fourth in a series issued by Amnesty International on the rights of women in Pakistan; it is the first to look at abuses of women's rights by private actors.
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