anarkali was akbars woman!!

[ashdoc]

for generations of people brought up on the legend of salim anarkali and the film mughal e azam this may be a bit of a shocker- but anarkali was akbars woman before she became salims.

i read this first in a book called EMPERORS OF THE PEACOCK THRONE written by abraham eraly.he writes-'' there seems to have been an oedipal conflict between akbar and salim.the mughal court was rife wiyh rumours of about the tension between the two,because ofof salims escapades and akbars resentment over them. THE MOST ROMANTIC AND PERSISTANT OF THESE STORIES LINKED SALIM WITH ANARKALI(POMGRANATE BLOSSOM), A BEAUTIFUL AND ACCOMPLISHED CONCUBINE OF AKBAR, AND POSSILBLY THE MOTHER OF AKBARS SON DANIYAL (WHO DIED DUE TO ALCOHOLISM)-LEGEND HAS IT THATA WRATHFUL AKBAR ENTOMBED ANARKALI ALIVE FOR THE CRIME OF EXCHANGING A SMILING GLANCE AT HIM''

i decided to search for more information on this and found this in the book THE MUGHAL EMPORORS AND THE ISLAMIC DYNASTIES OF INDIA IRAN AND CENTRAL ASIA by francis robinson-''there was a sexual jealusy between akbar and salim. akbar was said to have immuered alive his favourite concubine ,anarkali for smiling at salim.''

these are titbits though and i decided to search for a longer account of the matter.

i found a longer account in PRIVATE LIVES OF THE MUGHALS OF INDIA by professor R. NATH.

this is what he writes-

anarkalis real name was nadira begum or sharif un nisa begum. she was a excessively beautiful slave girl in the personal service of akbar, who had great liking for her and conferred the title anarkali upon her.

one day while seatedin an apartment lined with mirrors, he noticed the youthful anarkali returning prince salim(who was just passing by the hall) a smile.

akbar knew the character of his sensuous son more than anybody else, and he was outraged by the suspicion of an affair between the crown prince and his own slave girl.

he was so infuriated that he that he ordred her to be 'built' alive into a wall. salim could not save hae from this cruel end, but after his accesion to the throne , he commisioned at lahore a tomb in her memory.

the persian couplet which he had inscribed on her marble tombstone reads,


ah! if i could behold the face of
my beloved(yar) once more,
i would give thanks unto my god,
until thr day of resurrection.-
by majnoon salim akbar

this is an expression of passionate love and this testifies that he had really fallen in love with anarkali. the romance was going on for quite some time.

she innocently reciprocated, little knowing the subtle threads of mughal polity which bound these human beings called mughal emporers, and the unfor tunate lady paid the price by her life.

the mughal harem was a 'matter of fact ' institution and there was no place for romances in it.




and to think that I used to think of akbar as her potential father in law!


in another place the author writes-' some youthful slave girl was always in attendance , when akbar was in his harem to look after his personal service,as was anarkali.'

obviously the personal service didnt mean just massaging his legs or something like that- unless you are talking about his short leg :D -or shoving his short leg between her two fine legs :D- if you want to use cricketing terminology.

obviously the stories of anarkali being a common nautch girl are false.

k asif in his movie mughal e azam does not want to malign the character of the mughals by showing father and son fighting over one woman.he also shows her as being allowed to escape alive.

the movie anarkali starring bina rai and pradeep kumar is somewhat more truthful as it shows her being buried alive.

obviously she was buried alive to strike terror in the hearts of the other inmates of the harem.an example was made of her to show others what would happen to them if they dared cross the line.

akbar was known to be an egomaniac and any woman whom he slept was to be only his- even though he sometime slept with her only once and then moved on to others.

of course as shehenshah e hindustan he had no choice-if word got out that his concubine was sleeping with his own son he would become the laughing stock of the nation.it was a question of IZZAT- and he had to act accordingly.

where did he aquire her- possibly in meena bazar- the weekly bazar where beautiful women from all over the world were presented to him by merchants and the most accomplished were bought by him.

she musnt have come cheap-for one thing she was beautiful and the person who sold her must have spent a lot of money in training her in her accomplishments which included makeup dancing etc and must have looked to earn a profit on that.

[swami]

History over a period of time changes as and when it is written down.

We dont have any first hand account of the private lives whatever print material we have today is written down after being passed from mouth to mouth.

Imagine a father telling his son about some king,he would describe the king has having strength equalivant to 10 elephants now what image the son must be having about the king you can imagine.later on that son who has grown up now will realize that its not possible to have the strength of 10 elephants but still he would tell his son that the king had strength of 15 elephants and it would continue like this............

Some stories say that a particular king had his palace built of pure gold etc......

we read what the authors have written but niether we nor the authors have any proof to prove that it really happened that way.

[chitrala]

Kings always had these writers in their court who'd spread false propaganda about him... like he is so powerful, so skilled etc. etc..... while kings always had been indulged in weird bedroom practices...
Long ago I read two books by Diwan Jarmani Das Maharaja and Maharani.... filled with stories of escapades about kings and queens.

[charminar]

common, These writers don't have any work, They keep writing some drama stuff decades later to create some sensation because they know that some people who don't have any work will purchase there books and read their stories.

[chitrala]

And we should rather believe in Salim-Anarkali, Akbar-Birbal, Heer-Ranjha, Nehru-Edwina, Vajpayee-Advani, Anuradha-Landya stories...:rolleyes:

[tantric_yogi]

Just kidding ... ;) @ Landyabhai.

[charminar]

And we should rather believe in Salim-Anarkali, Akbar-Birbal, Heer-Ranjha, Nehru-Edwina, Vajpayee-Advani, Anuradha-Landya stories...:rolleyes:

Chand-Fiza story:)

I heard some idiot is making a movie on their story , movie is to be titled as

"Fiza ka chand"

[echarcha]

I would not care if Akbar fucked 10 donkeys or Salim fucked Anarkali. The fucking Mughals were invaders and all these romantic Jodha Akbar crap movies are just trying to show how secular and kind these bastards were!

[AmthaLal]

I think my question (http://www.echarcha.com/forum/showthread.php?t=29906) is answered finallly.:D

And Desibaawraa was right (http://www.echarcha.com/forum/showpost.php?p=400772&postcount=5) too.:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

[ashdoc]

common, These writers don't have any work, They keep writing some drama stuff decades later to create some sensation because they know that some people who don't have any work will purchase there books and read their stories.

sir, if you read my article carefully you will realise that the first two books contain hardly anything about anarkali, so i had so search for a third book.
they contain only a few lines on anarkali, and for the rest are preoccupied with more serious matters.

even the third book contains only one page, this in a three hundred page book.

so none of them are trying to create a sensation.

if i dont have any work where will i have the money to purchase them?

[MadrasiBabu]

I would not care if Akbar fucked 10 donkeys or Salim fucked Anarkali. The fucking Mughals were invaders and all these romantic Jodha Akbar crap movies are just trying to show how secular and kind these bastards were!

The Mughals were overrated. The only classic and noble one was the last one Bahadur Shah Zafar. All others were typical muslim tyrants and megolomaniacs. Akbar was a person who was always consumed by self and was the first head of state to have used propaganda to build his image!! His being called secular is a myth and he is credited with genocide of thousands of hindu rajputs. These are being conveniently glossed over!! He was so obsessed with self that he even started a religion of his own.."Din-e-Elahi", probably trying to emulate Henri VIII who proclaimed himself as the church of england!

[ashdoc]

The Mughals were overrated. The only classic and noble one was the last one Bahadur Shah Zafar. All others were typical muslim tyrants and megolomaniacs. Akbar was a person who was always consumed by self and was the first head of state to have used propaganda to build his image!! His being called secular is a myth and he is credited with genocide of thousands of hindu rajputs. These are being conveniently glossed over!! He was so obsessed with self that he even started a religion of his own.."Din-e-Elahi", probably trying to emulate Henri VIII who proclaimed himself as the church of england!

akbars secularism was genuine. his starting of din e illahi may be construed as an attempt to bring hindus and muslims together. of course his egomania is evident here too, for though the followers of the religion were supposed to worship the sun, they were also supposed to worship the emperor as gods face on the earth.this explains why the religion came to a quick death after his death.

he genuinely gave the hindus a breathing space-for the first time in centuries they were able to carry on their proffessions without fear of interference, were able to build maghificient temples and were able to amass money- they were always more capable than the muslims in the last respect.

akbars successors jahangir and shahjahan- though they did not have any particular love for the hindus were smart enough to realise that akbars policies had brought immense benfit to the empire and had given it a stability that the otherwise would not have come and therefore did not attempt in any major way to change them.

this was different from the earlier turkish sultans like ghauri,balban, alladin khilji, mohammad tughlak,qutubuddin aibak etc who were barbarians ,pure and simple and engaged in mass massacres of hindus destruction of tenples etc.

and when aurangzeb in his fanaticsm tried to change these policies he found himself confronted by a new kind of hindu- who had used the hundred years breathing space to change himself.

when he promulgated the jiziya tax on hindus, the jats attacked akbars tomb and dug out his very bones. the rajputs revolted in a process that was eventually to liberate them from mughal clutches, and in the south a hero had been born- shivajis successors were to eventually control delhi itself keeping the mughal emperor as a puppet.

not to mention the new religion of sikhism, that was to carry its flag to the real gateway of india- the khyber pass- and snatch peshawar and the nothwest frontier from the very afghans who had been indias scourge for centuries- a process not reversed to this very day- though the taliban may yet complete this ancient afghan dream.

of course akbar was did not differ from his ferocious ancestors in one respect-while conquering any region his forces displayed great brutality- though they did not show any religious prejudice- as much muslims were killed as hindus.after conquest however the region received benefit of his
enlitened policies.

this was different from ancient hindu kings who fought dharma yuddha- non interference in the lives of ordinary folk while fighting. farmers used to calmly till their farms while great battles were being fought nearby.

[viking]

I think Akbar was the real father of the Kangress party. He was as sicular as the Kangress.

[landyaBhai]

Just kidding ... ;) @ Landyabhai.

TantuJi .. you are editing posts ... I liked what you wrote ... at least someone remembers ... some attachments, I must say ... haven't met, but yet have the courtesy to joke upon each other ...

I have news to share ... may be some other time ... you can probably guess it ...

[landyaBhai]

And we should rather believe in Salim-Anarkali, Akbar-Birbal, Heer-Ranjha, Nehru-Edwina, Vajpayee-Advani, Anuradha-Landya stories...:rolleyes:

Chitrala Pai ... me and Anuradha are just dreams ... no reality ..

[chitrala]

Chitrala Pai ... me and Anuradha are just dreams ... no reality ..
Aren't others in the list too? :D
anyways you know I was joking.
Can I congratulate you on the news?:)

[landyaBhai]

Aren't others in the list too? :D
anyways you know I was joking.
Can I congratulate you on the news?:)

I was kidding as well ... but then Anuradha does not know that :D

Sure you can!

[JaiSpeaks]

I already know what the news is .... Congrats !!!!!!

[landyaBhai]

I already know what the news is .... Congrats !!!!!!

Thanks Jai Pai ....!!

[dhurandhar]

I already know what the news is .... Congrats !!!!!!

LandYA got a baby?:D...so says my sixth sense:D

[ashdoc]

I think Akbar was the real father of the Kangress party. He was as sicular as the Kangress.

you may be right.during his own lifetime akbar was accused of being against his own religion by muslims.

kangressis, many of whom are hindus, are certainly against their own religion.

[ashdoc]

this is in reply to the post by krantikari in the other thread on anarkali , the thread being closed.

the word harem is the english corruption of haram, which is an arabic word. haram means something that is banned or prohibited.
men were banned from going into or even laying their eyes on the lovely inmates of somebody elses haram. hence the word haram or harem.

the word haremzada is a figment of your imagination ,obviously. you are joking.

on the hand the word haramzada really exists- it means someone born in a prohibited manner, basically a bastard or illegitimate child.

[chitrala]

Congrats LB!! repped you earlier. ;)

[sarv_shaktimaan]

THE MOST ROMANTIC AND PERSISTANT OF THESE STORIES LINKED SALIM WITH ANARKALI(POMGRANATE BLOSSOM), A BEAUTIFUL AND ACCOMPLISHED CONCUBINE OF AKBAR, AND POSSILBLY THE MOTHER OF AKBARS SON DANIYAL (WHO DIED DUE TO ALCOHOLISM)-LEGEND HAS IT THATA WRATHFUL AKBAR ENTOMBED ANARKALI ALIVE FOR THE CRIME OF EXCHANGING A SMILING GLANCE AT HIM''

who are you and why do you write such unreadable posts? :smash: No paragraph formatting. Half of the things are copy/pastes from some forum, I feel. Did you know writing in CAPS online is equivalent to shouting? :(

[ashdoc]

who are you and why do you write such unreadable posts? :smash: No paragraph formatting. Half of the things are copy/pastes from some forum, I feel. Did you know writing in CAPS online is equivalent to shouting? :(

okay i will reduce writing in CAPS unless absolutely necessary.

i am ready to swear on anything whatever i write does not come from any other forum.mostly it comes from books of which i am a voracious reader.

[charminar]

okay i will reduce writing in CAPS unless absolutely necessary.

i am ready to swear on anything whatever i write does not come from any other forum.mostly it comes from books of which i am a voracious reader.

why do you read such books in first place man. :)

Akbar, Anarkali and Saleem all are dead long back, leave them alone in their graves.

Who cares what Akbar did to Anarkali or What Saleem did to her.

[landyaBhai]

LandYA got a baby?:D...so says my sixth sense:D

You got it right pal ... I was thinking of posting a photo ... but I am not sure whether it is needed ... I mean babies are just babies ... they are all cute ...

[landyaBhai]

Congrats LB!! repped you earlier. ;)

Thanks Chitrala Pai ... I will post a photo later ...

[dhurandhar]

You got it right pal ... I was thinking of posting a photo ... but I am not sure whether it is needed ... I mean babies are just babies ... they are all cute ...

Congrats to LandYA & Mrs.LandYA :up::D.....meri sixth sense ne mujhe dhokha nahi diya (Akshay Kumar dialogue from movie Aankhen):D

[echarcha]

My response is still the same

Who gives a damn... Who gives a shit! :D :D


The fucking Mughals came, pillaged and raped and plundered. And here we are, worrying about secularism of that asshole Akbar and all the other shit heads who ruled over us. Fuck them all.

[ashdoc]

why do you read such books in first place man. :)

Akbar, Anarkali and Saleem all are dead long back, leave them alone in their graves.

Who cares what Akbar did to Anarkali or What Saleem did to her.

i havent bought these books for anarkali or what akbar or salim did to her. the material in these books on that topic is too less for that.

history reading is my passion and i will continue to do that.

you learn a lot from history , especially not to repeat its mistakes, and this nation has made far too many mistakes in its history, so it is better to read about them.

why dont you ask the film makers to leave them alone in their graves?

why do the filmmakers make films on them repeatedly?

and why do they colour the black and white films and re release them?

and why in those films do they not show the truth?

and do you or the public leave them alone in their graves?why do you watch their films? under these circumstances i have right to tell the public the truth. the public has a right to know what they avidly watch is not the truth.

[charminar]

i havent bought these books for anarkali or what akbar or salim did to her. the material in these books on that topic is too less for that.

history reading is my passion and i will continue to do that.

you learn a lot from history , especially not to repeat its mistakes, and this nation has made far too many mistakes in its history, so it is better to read about them.

why dont you ask the film makers to leave them alone in their graves?

why do the filmmakers make films on them repeatedly?

and why do they colour the black and white films and re release them?

and why in those films do they not show the truth?

and do you or the public leave them alone in their graves?why do you watch their films? under these circumstances i have right to tell the public the truth. the public has a right to know what they avidly watch is not the truth.

Ok dear understand.

FYI, I was reading yesterday that there is another movie being made on life of Jahangir.

[rationalthinker]

Welcome ashdoc.
Your posts ARE interesting.:up:

[Sane Less]

Welcome ashdoc.
Your posts ARE interesting.:up:
thanks for the appreciation.

[dollyg]

do guys call their guy friends dear. it always sounds funny to my ears :D

[Honest]

do guys call their guy friends dear. it always sounds funny to my ears :D

Dolly Ji, is their any harm if a guy call his guy friend "dear" ? :)

[sarv_shaktimaan]

Thanks Chitrala Pai ... I will post a photo later ...
arre waah... mubarak ho sir aap dono ko... must be feeling over the sky... :)

[Sane Less]

do guys call their guy friends dear. it always sounds funny to my ears :D
Excellent shayari, Dolhuygl tai:up: