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DesiBaba
August 31st, 2001, 08:29 AM
The hype surrounding Rajkumar Santoshi's Lajja spoilt the magic of going to the
movies for me.

Who'd want to watch a film, least of all review it, when its minutest detail was
general knowledge?

Thanks to a 'sneak preview', I already knew the film was based on the many faces of
Sita -- with four of Hindi cinema's top actresses -- Manisha Koirala, Mahima
Chowdhury, Madhuri Dixit and Rekha essaying the leads.

I am aware that Santoshi's inspiration was the gang rape and
killing of a Dalit woman, whose son dared to marry an upper caste
girl.

What's left for me to tell?

Not very much.

So, what I've tried to do instead is answer a few of your
questions.

Questions that might have cropped up if you've been victim to the blitzkreig of sneak
previews, slide shows and interviews with the cast.

Questions like...

Are there really 17 stars in the film?

Yes. And more. After the first ten, I lost count. But watch out for the dramatic
entries of Urmila Matondkar, Madhuri and Ajay Devgan amongst others.

How does Santoshi saab make the women dance to his tune?

With the exception of Rekha, all of them do dance to his tune. Urmila sizzles in a
pelvic crunching club number while Sonali Bendre demonstrates her visage and graceful
movements at a shaadi reception.

Madhuri is at her vivacious best in the Badi mushkil number
with Manisha matching her step for step.

With so much dancing then, when does the women's
rights thing crop up?

That's the interesting aspect. Despite the song and dance
routines, the four leading women do make an impact. This, while
sharing three hours of screen time. An achievement in itself.

Santoshi manages to evince the best from his leads.

Vaidehi (Manisha) -- the protagonist, plays the lost, naïve woman on the run from a
callous and selfish husband (Jackie Shroff). A sensitive performance.

Maithili (Mahima) with a single shaadi sequence impresses with her bright and spunky
portrayal as the bride who decides her father's had enough of humiliation on her
wedding day.

Ramdulari (Rekha) is at her dramatic best as the village midwife, who is courageous
enough to stop a man from killing his baby girl. But she's rendered powerless by the
village baddie, after her son falls in love with his daughter.

Madhuri slips into her role as Janaki, the heroine of the village nautanki group
with consummate ease.

As 'Sita' on stage who asks 'Ram' (her lover) to go through the agni pariksha and
as the unwed mother, Madhuri dazzles us with a class act.

With her dancing skills on display and the histrionics to
highlight her versatility (especially in the scene where she
confronts her mentor, the leery Purushuttam (Tinnu Anand)) no one
can match Madhuri.

More than focus on women's rights, what the film tries to convey
through the saga of events, is a picture of the atrocities
committed against women. This, seen through the eyes of Vaidehi,
who literally runs, stumbles and falls into situations around
which the smaller stories are woven.

To Santoshi's credit, the narrative, although jerky in bits, is held together nicely.

What do the men do?

Another interesting question.

As the director highlights issues that are basically women-related, Lajja could well
be called a 'chick flick'.

But it's the men who are the surprise package.

A weighty Jackie relishes his wife-beating, insensitive, unloving husband role.

And then there's Anil Kapoor, a small time thief, with heart enough to save a
marriage.

Devgan in a swashbuckling role is a winner, because he seems completely in character
with Balwa -- the avenger, the jungle fugitive who appears wherever evil comes
a-lurking in the form of the villain -- Danny Denzongpa.

Why can't villains stop wearing kohl? I'm positive Danny would be
even more menacing without it.

Gulshan Grover as Danny's younger brother repeats the performance
he's already played in countless films. But their cameos do create
an impression.

If I had my way, the film's tag line would read: The many faces of
men!

Are all the men bad, then?

Well, the rich ones are devoid of a conscience or are totally spineless daddie's boys.

And the poor ones have the right values but no respect.

Let's not dwell on that aspect, Santoshi's story doesn't deal with them!

What about the much hyped about 'rape' scene?

No fear!

It's one of those 'sensitively' handled ones, with Rekha handling it with panache. And
a lot of vocal chord exercise.

Is Lajja the 'chick flick' of the year?

Haven't quite figured out yet. I was confused when I came out of the theatre.

The film has its light moments (thanks to Johnny Lever), dollops of drama and busloads
of action. And a social message.

But the ability of the powerful cast drowns the message it's trying to convey.

That's the problem with making films with a social cause with mass appeal.

Does it have a happy ending?

The challenge of films like this one is to get it to a cohesive end where everything
falls in place, so you feel complete when you walk out.

I am not sure Lajja scores here. But it does make a strong appeal at the end in the
form of Vaidehi who finally speaks out against oppression.

Her 'shame' is conveyed through a powerful speech, which some people might consider
preaching, but probably essential to make sure we get the message and take it to its
finale.

Personally though women beating up the baddies won't solve too many of our problems.

But there's humour in the surprise ending, which you'll discover
when you watch the film.

A few questions still hover in mind, which deal with the premise
of the film.

Why did an influential, rich man -- Jackie Shroff -- agree to an
arranged marriage to the middle class Manisha? Surely, there are
rich people in India too?

Why did it take Mahima a trip to the marriage mandap to find out that her college
sweetheart was actually a spineless fool?

But, let's not go there...

Santoshi deserves more than a generous dose of credit for trying to portray both sides
of the story -- through powerful and well sketched characters and treading into a
territory which not too many mainstream directors explore.

Is Lajja a worthy watch?

Haven't I told you enough already?






Anita Bora (<--- nothing to do with DesiBaba :D )

patel_rahul
August 31st, 2001, 08:53 AM
You could have just posted the link to rediff's (http://www.rediff.com/entertai/2001/aug/31lajja.htm) site instead of the cut-paste.

Big-G
August 31st, 2001, 08:57 AM
Patel Rahul..and the reason for that???

Boss, idhar jo link paste karta hai, usko kaha jaata hai ki poora article paste kar...aur tum toh ulta bol rahey ho !!

Yaar, tumharey saath chakkar kya hai??? Baaki duniya left side pay chalegi toh tum right pay... :D

patel_rahul
August 31st, 2001, 09:02 AM
Originally posted by Big-G
Patel Rahul..and the reason for that???

To save server space.

Big-G
August 31st, 2001, 09:05 AM
Hey..there's a balanced approach that needs to be taken
Server space should not be abused, neither should it to used miserly.

Yaar, agar itna hi server space save karna hai toh we can post all our discussions on other discussion sites and paste the links at echarcha. Charcha ki charcha ho jayegi, aur minimum server space use hoga
idea kaisa hai?:D

patel_rahul
August 31st, 2001, 09:12 AM
Originally posted by Big-G
idea kaisa hai?:D
In one word, moronic.:smash: (No offense ofcourse)

GpeL
August 31st, 2001, 09:14 AM
Originally posted by patel_rahul
Originally posted by Big-G
idea kaisa hai?:D
In one word, moronic.:smash: (No offense ofcourse)

RahulP pai.. kyaa baat hai chai achi nahi lagi kyaa subere subere? Yaar dusri cup pee lo na.. kyon gussa karte ho?

Big-G
August 31st, 2001, 09:15 AM
Originally posted by patel_rahul
Originally posted by Big-G
idea kaisa hai?:D
In one word, moronic.:smash: (No offense ofcourse)

:D :D
None taken.

And it takes one to know one.
(Offense intended)

patel_rahul
August 31st, 2001, 09:17 AM
Originally posted by GpeL
RahulP pai.. kyaa baat hai chai achi nahi lagi kyaa subere subere? Yaar dusri cup pee lo na.. kyon gussa karte ho?

Subah chai aise bhi nahi pita. Lekin aap hi bataiye, aisi faltu argument karega to aadmi ko gussa ayega ki nahin. Bhale usne 10 cup chai hi kyon na pi ho.

patel_rahul
August 31st, 2001, 09:18 AM
Originally posted by Big-G
And it takes one to know one.
(Offense intended)

Not really, I recognized you didn't I.

GpeL
August 31st, 2001, 09:18 AM
Originally posted by patel_rahul
Originally posted by GpeL
RahulP pai.. kyaa baat hai chai achi nahi lagi kyaa subere subere? Yaar dusri cup pee lo na.. kyon gussa karte ho?

Subah chai aise bhi nahi pita. Lekin aap hi bataiye, aisi faltu argument karega to aadmi ko gussa ayega ki nahin. Bhale usne 10 cup chai hi kyon na pi ho.

Yaar aaap to bilkul naak me gussa le kar ghumte ho.. thand rahkho bhai.. are uski to aadat hai majaak karne ki.. (ek dum dharmendra style in sholey).

Big-G
August 31st, 2001, 09:19 AM
Originally posted by patel_rahul

Subah chai aise bhi nahi pita. Lekin aap hi bataiye, aisi faltu argument karega to aadmi ko gussa ayega ki nahin. Bhale usne 10 cup chai hi kyon na pi ho.

:D
hahahhaha....kya yaar?..itna logical sawaal toh poocha tha...server space save karney ka itna mast idea diya tha mainey ...ismey naraaz honey ki kya baat hai??... aur aur mast idea aayaa.... ismey poori ki poori server space save ho jayegi... yeh saali site hi band kar detey hain.... na rahegi site, na jaayegi server space...

Idea kaisa laga??
:D

Big-G
August 31st, 2001, 09:21 AM
Originally posted by GpeL

are uski to aadat hai majaak karne ki.. (ek dum dharmendra style in sholey).

Yaar GpeL..aapko yeh majaak lagta hai??... i am serious yaar !!

Mil Key bolo !!

Kushhaali laani hai,
Server space bachani hai !!!

Rahul
August 31st, 2001, 09:22 AM
Originally posted by Big-G
Patel Rahul..and the reason for that???

Boss, idhar jo link paste karta hai, usko kaha jaata hai ki poora article paste kar...aur tum toh ulta bol rahey ho !!

Yaar, tumharey saath chakkar kya hai??? Baaki duniya left side pay chalegi toh tum right pay... :D

Lagta he iska plane jub Pakistan ke upar se nikla tha tub kisi gandi hawa ne isper kubja kar liya, just kidding rahulP pai.

Well Big G, wo article ke last me Anita Bora ka naam padkar ek baar to mujhe is Desibaba per shaq ho gaya tha guru, fir yaad aaya ki areey yeh article to Rediff per padela he ;) soch me yaar lagta he ab shaadi kar hi lete he, pura pakiya type behave ho gayela he baap

patel_rahul
August 31st, 2001, 09:22 AM
Originally posted by GpeL


Yaar aaap to bilkul naak me gussa le kar ghumte ho.. thand rahkho bhai.. are uski to aadat hai majaak karne ki.. (ek dum dharmendra style in sholey).
Arre Ravibhai, ab aap serious ho gaye.

GpeL
August 31st, 2001, 09:24 AM
Originally posted by patel_rahul

Arre Ravibhai, ab aap serious ho gaye.

Are nahi bhai.. mai to hamesha non serious rahtaa hoon.. saala ghar me sabse bada complaint ye hi hai mere upar.

Big-G
August 31st, 2001, 09:25 AM
Originally posted by Rahul

Well Big G, wo article ke last me Anita Bora ka naam padkar ek baar to mujhe is Desibaba per shaq ho gaya tha guru, .....

:D
sahi bola yaar..Anita Bora padkar mainey toh Desibaba ko PM bhi likhna shuru kar diya tha...baad mein achanak tubelight jali.... thoda gussa toh aayaa tha...
Patel saab, aap key saath bhi kuchh aisa hi hua tha kya??
(majaak kar raha hoon paisaab)
:D

patel_rahul
August 31st, 2001, 09:27 AM
Originally posted by Big-G
Patel saab, aap key saath bhi kuchh aisa hi hua tha kya??
(majaak kar raha hoon paisaab)
:D

Nahin, maine to article padhna shuru kiya aur turant hi tubelight on ho gai. Phir maine niche naam padha to mujhe laga ki koi na koi to iskal galat matlab nikalega.

Rahul
August 31st, 2001, 09:43 AM
Originally posted by Big-G


:D
sahi bola yaar..Anita Bora padkar mainey toh Desibaba ko PM bhi likhna shuru kar diya tha...baad mein achanak tubelight jali.... thoda gussa toh aayaa tha...
Patel saab, aap key saath bhi kuchh aisa hi hua tha kya??
(majaak kar raha hoon paisaab)
:D

abye oye Big G, saaf saaf bolna RahulPatel ne frustu ho kar chadai shuru kar di, lagta he yeh bhi apni biradari ka he, iski bhi shadi hona magta ;)

patel_rahul
August 31st, 2001, 09:54 AM
Originally posted by Rahul
bhi shadi hona magta ;)
Meri shadi hona magta?

GpeL
August 31st, 2001, 09:58 AM
Originally posted by patel_rahul
Originally posted by Rahul
bhi shadi hona magta ;)
Meri shadi hona magta?

Are bhai ye to shadi shuda lagtaa hai warnaa itna gusaa nahi kartaa hum par.. vo kyaa hai na ghar me taaj poshi hoti hai to chup chaap sah leta hai aur yahan par hum par apna gussa utaar deta hai..chal koi baat nahi.. hum dost ke liye itnaa bhi nahi karenge to kaise chalegaa.

patel_rahul
August 31st, 2001, 10:24 AM
Originally posted by GpeL
Are bhai ye to shadi shuda lagtaa hai
Arre Ravibhai, aap to peshe se pandit bhi lagte ho. Bethe-bityahe hame shadi-shudha bana diya.

Rahul
August 31st, 2001, 10:27 AM
Originally posted by GpeL


Are bhai ye to shadi shuda lagtaa hai warnaa itna gusaa nahi kartaa hum par.. vo kyaa hai na ghar me taaj poshi hoti hai to chup chaap sah leta hai aur yahan par hum par apna gussa utaar deta hai..chal koi baat nahi.. hum dost ke liye itnaa bhi nahi karenge to kaise chalegaa.

GpeL bhai aap nibhao dosti, yeh to koi baat nahi hoti, iski gaye (cow) dudh na de to dusri ki gaye ki taraf gandi nigahon se dekhega haan ;) :rolleyes:

khopdi
August 31st, 2001, 10:28 AM
shaala itna shaara replish..but no kunklooshun..pleesh ekshplane eesh it wurth waching the shineema or naat ??

ek wurd bolo: yesh or no ??

GpeL
August 31st, 2001, 10:28 AM
Originally posted by patel_rahul
Originally posted by GpeL
Are bhai ye to shadi shuda lagtaa hai
Arre Ravibhai, aap to peshe se pandit bhi lagte ho. Bethe-bityahe hame shadi-shudha bana diya.
Yaani aap shadi shudaa nahi hain.. theek hai lagtaa hai kahin kundali me calculation me mistak ho gaya .. koi baat nahi.. sheegra hi vivahit ho jaoge.. aisi humari shubkaamna hai aap ke liye.. yaar pandit to nahi hoon par agar shadi karni ho aur dakshinaa achi doge to ban jaunga pandit ..

patel_rahul
August 31st, 2001, 10:30 AM
Originally posted by khopdi
ek wurd bolo: yesh or no ??
Yes, but only movies approved by me.

patel_rahul
August 31st, 2001, 10:33 AM
Originally posted by GpeL
Yaani aap shadi shudaa nahi hain.. theek hai lagtaa hai kahin kundali me calculation me mistak ho gaya
Sau aana sahi.

khopdi
August 31st, 2001, 10:40 AM
Originally posted by patel_rahul
Originally posted by khopdi
ek wurd bolo: yesh or no ??
Yes, but only movies approved by me.

eesh "lajja" approoud by u ??

patel_rahul
August 31st, 2001, 10:50 AM
Originally posted by khopdi


eesh "lajja" approoud by u ??
Havent' seen it yet. But I would say no. No further questions will be entertained.

khopdi
August 31st, 2001, 10:56 AM
Originally posted by patel_rahul
No further questions will be entertained.

will anshers bee enter-tained ??

patel_rahul
August 31st, 2001, 10:59 AM
Originally posted by khopdi
will anshers bee enter-tained ??

shure

Indian
September 11th, 2001, 02:10 AM
I thought it would be a routine 'Indian Women In trouble' kind of story ..but the treatment was very un expected.
I thought the movie would be very serious ..but we find some phunny moments with Johny Lever, Asrani , Soorma Bhoopali and some more people.
The number of actors you find in this movie ..is not so usual.
There is nothing to remember about Music & dance in this cinema.
as usual ..Urmila looks ghostly :eek:

But my ex-girlfriend
..Madhuri is simply great. :cool:

I liked that dialogue/conversation between Manisha & Madhuri about manisha pissing/peeing in a open ground :D

kya boltha hain ..desi baba ?

awara_dost
September 24th, 2001, 12:11 PM
Good Guys never makes money, Rajkumar Santoshi is another example for this. He made a very good movie with some social message but as the report says it's going to flop.

Very few guys makes movies "leak se hatke" but they always get "Cold treatment" from public.

Sheena
September 24th, 2001, 12:17 PM
True words! Badmash ji, LAJJA is again an off beat movie,but very impressive and the humour of movie is original:up: :D :D

Fei
September 24th, 2001, 12:17 PM
i thought it was a good movie and i hate hindi movies especially the commercial formula crap *cough* chal mere bhai *chough*

awara_dost
September 24th, 2001, 12:21 PM
Originally posted by SHEENA
True words! Badmash ji, LAJJA is again an off beat movie,but very impressive and the humour of movie is original:up: :D :D

particularly that shaadi wala, "hum ladki wale hain". Dabe sehme sabse maafi mangne wale, Jagdeep has done good expressions for that scene.......in one scene girl's father says sorry to girl's mother thinking that she is from boy's side......:D :D :D :D
It was realistic too :)

Sheena
September 24th, 2001, 12:28 PM
And that scene in which,Madhuri & Manisha return from night-show of movie,and sit on road side.........................:D :D


Even in Movie theatre Madhuri teachs Manisha "how to whistle"and they both start whistling :) :) :D

DesiBaba
September 24th, 2001, 12:37 PM
Originally posted by SHEENA
And that scene in which,Madhuri & Manisha return from night-show of movie,and sit on road side.........................:D :D


Even in Movie theatre Madhuri teachs Manisha "how to whistle"and they both start whistling :) :) :D

maine bhi try kiya waise whistle bajana..(coz i still dont know how to whistle :p )..lekin phir bhi nahin baji :(

arrey,sheena,kya chalu hai bey? bahut dino se gayab thi? :)

awara_dost
September 24th, 2001, 12:38 PM
Originally posted by SHEENA
And that scene in which,Madhuri & Manisha return from night-show of movie,and sit on road side.........................:D :D


Even in Movie theatre Madhuri teachs Manisha "how to whistle"and they both start whistling :) :) :D

I also want to learn whistling..............is there madhuri around ?

DesiBaba
September 24th, 2001, 12:39 PM
Originally posted by awara_dost


I also want to learn whistling..............is there madhuri around ?

how dare u ask that when u r very much aware that Indian is around :D

awara_dost
September 24th, 2001, 12:45 PM
Originally posted by DesiBaba


how dare u ask that when u r very much aware that Indian is around :D

u want to know how dare......let me ask once again....:D :D :D (Sanju baba tumhare haath se to gayi.......jab aayi thi tab pakar ke rakhni thi na)

I want to learn whistling....Is There Madhuri around ?

Sheena
September 24th, 2001, 12:45 PM
Originally posted by DesiBaba


maine bhi try kiya waise whistle bajana..(coz i still dont know how to whistle :p )..lekin phir bhi nahin baji :(

arrey,sheena,kya chalu hai bey? bahut dino se gayab thi? :) sorry! Friends ab yahan aana band kar rahi huin,lekin kya karun ye addiction jaldi se nahin jaata:(

Don't ask me why?may be some members of EC knows it very well ,bcoz now this site is meant for "Show ur fighting-skills" and fighting is really against my nature,so its my personal decision to leave from here.:o

Sanju baba & Badmash ji,yaar kaise ladke:confused: :p ho?whistling karna bhi nahin aata:D ...........jaao 2 boond paani mein jaakar doob maro tum dono,MARD jaat ke naam par dhabba ho:D :D

Sheena
September 24th, 2001, 12:48 PM
Originally posted by awara_dost


I also want to learn whistling..............is there madhuri around ? MAD-HARI ka to pata nahin:D

Sheena se training le sakte ho:) :D

awara_dost
September 24th, 2001, 12:49 PM
Originally posted by SHEENA

Sanju baba & Badmash ji,yaar kaise ladke:confused: :p ho?whistling karna bhi nahin aata:D ...........jaao 2 boond paani mein jaakar doob maro tum dono,MARD jaat ke naam par dhabba ho:D :D

hume koi madhuri nahi mili na sikhane ko.........

Latest Update
2 boond paani mein try kiya tha doobne ka, lekin pyas ke chalte wohi pani pee gaya.......:D :D

awara_dost
September 24th, 2001, 12:51 PM
Originally posted by SHEENA
MAD-HARI ka to pata nahin:D

Sheena se training le sakte ho:) :D

Chalo Madhuri na sahi Sheena hi sahi......Kab se chalu hogi training. Lekin sheekhane se pehle soch lena kahin aisa na ho me tumhi pe whistle marna suru kar doon......:D :D :D

Sheena
September 24th, 2001, 12:57 PM
Originally posted by awara_dost


Chalo Madhuri na sahi Sheena hi sahi......Kab se chalu hogi training. Lekin sheekhane se pehle soch lena kahin aisa na ho me tumhi pe whistle marna suru kar doon......:D :D :D Koi baat nahi BADMASH ji kyonki seekhane ke bahane,pahle hi hum aap par whistling try kar lenge so koi problem nahi hai........and I am not worried at all,bcoz my son also know" How to handle raodside Romeos:) :D

awara_dost
September 24th, 2001, 01:00 PM
Originally posted by SHEENA
Koi baat nahi BADMASH ji kyonki seekhane ke bahane,pahle hi hum aap par whistling try kar lenge so koi problem nahi hai........and I am not worried at all,bcoz my son also know" How to handle raodside Romeos:) :D

I am not roadside romeo....me to homeside romeo hoon...........:D :D :D

Sheena
September 24th, 2001, 01:04 PM
Originally posted by awara_dost


I am not roadside romeo....me to homeside romeo hoon...........:D :D :D U r Welcome:D :D :D

awara_dost
September 24th, 2001, 01:08 PM
Originally posted by SHEENA
U r Welcome:D :D :D

woh to theek hai sonio, lekin kahin aisa to nahi roadside Romeo ko handle karne ke le liye "ladka" aur homeside romeo ke liye "badka" (hubby dear)......:cool:

Sheena
September 24th, 2001, 01:12 PM
Originally posted by awara_dost


woh to theek hai sonio, lekin kahin aisa to nahi roadside Romeo ko handle karne ke le liye "ladka" aur homeside romeo ke liye "badka" (hubby dear)......:cool: Kaafi samjhdaar ho:) :D :D

DesiBaba
September 24th, 2001, 01:17 PM
Originally posted by awara_dost


u want to know how dare......let me ask once again....:D :D :D (Sanju baba tumhare haath se to gayi.......jab aayi thi tab pakar ke rakhni thi na)

I want to learn whistling....Is There Madhuri around ?

aye bawa..lagta hai tu samja nahin mere post ka matbal...
"Indian" boley to woh apna echarchan hai na..woh..uski baat kar rayela tha aapun...

awara_dost
September 24th, 2001, 01:30 PM
Originally posted by DesiBaba


aye bawa..lagta hai tu samja nahin mere post ka matbal...
"Indian" boley to woh apna echarchan hai na..woh..uski baat kar rayela tha aapun...

oho apun socha tu apne ko bhi "Indian" keh rela hai.....bhool hi gaya tere haath se to chirya pehle hi urr gayi......beeru mistake ho gaya apun se

DesiBaba
September 24th, 2001, 02:02 PM
Originally posted by awara_dost


oho apun socha tu apne ko bhi "Indian" keh rela hai.....bhool hi gaya tere haath se to chirya pehle hi urr gayi......beeru mistake ho gaya apun se

bachche,woh chidiya 1 saal tak mere paas thi :rolleyes:

echarcha
September 24th, 2001, 03:21 PM
Shama and I saw Lajja on VHS.

It was such a overdose of women's lib. And the number of characters and the story... uff.. It would have been good to see a couple of stories byt so many characters and so much about how men are bad...

Even Shama found it too much to handle ;)