1000 Hyderbad IT professionals fired!

[echarcha]

1000 Hyderbad IT professionals fired!

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It is sleepless nights for Hyderabad's IT employees. About a 1000 lost their jobs overnight after they failed their employers' background checks. CNBC-TV18 gives the details.

It has been a harrowing week for Satyam (http://www.moneycontrol.com/india/stockpricequote/computerssoftwarelarge/satyamcomputerservices/12/28/pricechartquote/marketprice/SCS)'s staff, as 500 of their work mates have already been fired overnight. That is after the company conducted background checks on its middle and junior-level employees to curb fraud and minimise the risk of data theft.

But Satyam is not alone. HSBC too fired over 350 employees at its call centre in Hyderabad over the past week. Officials from Satyam say it is conducting checks at all its facilities in India and if an employee is found to have falsified any certification, he or she is being asked to leave immediately.

Satyam officials say they will not file criminal proceedings, but other IT and ITeS companies have begun similar checks. They hope to make their companies virtually fraud free.

Link (http://www.moneycontrol.com/india/news/currentaffairs/hyderabadsatyam/1000hyderbaditp/market/stocks/article/267502)

[echarcha]

What was that University in Hyderabad? I forget its name but almost all folks from Hyd'bad seemed to have a degree from that varsity.

[sarv_shaktimaan]

What was that University in Hyderabad? I forget its name but almost all folks from Hyd'bad seemed to have a degree from that varsity.
Osmania University i think... Also the reason why US' Chennai consulate has such high visa rejections...

It was bound to happen some day... how long can you fool people by showing an experience of 3-5 yrs. and not knowing anything... all the desi software consultants in US work on this premise...

[Zorro]

What was that University in Hyderabad? I forget its name but almost all folks from Hyd'bad seemed to have a degree from that varsity.

Osmania

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[2gud]

Good lesson for this freaking folks, they have brought down the standards and ethics by their brazen attitude towards cheating on experience, degrees, skills and what not.

My company stopped interviewing/walk-ins in hyderabad just because of this fact.

In this context, I am really ashamed to be a gult myself, seeing this much of fraud in my home state, unequalled anywhere else.

[dirty]

I have rejected many candidates from Osmania Unversity.

[AmthaLal]

Achha hai...Bahot achha hai...(Mithun style...:D )


I hope other BPO companies also learn the lesson from this and start checking everybody. Saalaa jo bhi uthaa boltaa hai graduate in computers. :rolleyes:

Jaise ki BA/BCom.

[motowner]

Yeh to hona hi tha.. they have been getting away with this for way too long.

But feel bad for their families, who have to pay for no fault of their own.

[AmthaLal]

But feel bad for their families, who have to pay for no fault of their own.


Why?
If a family raise a bad guy, its family's fault too. Lots of parents teach their kids cheating.:mad:

I remeber more than some 20+ years ago, in gujarat, Lots of parents were helping their kids cheat in SSC and HSC exams to get good grades or just to pass.

A family/parents must check the backgrounds of the school and courses where their kids are going to study.

Its like trend in India, to send their offsprings to do some "Computer courses" and then brag about ....oh! my son have done course in computers.
I always hear this and wonder WTF is this "course"?:eek:

[motowner]

Arre nahin Amthabhai, by family I meant wife and kids. I wont be surprised if in most cases, the guys also lied to their wives about their 'education' and 'experience'. They now have to face humiliation in society for something the husband/father did.

[AmthaLal]

Arre nahin Amthabhai, by family I meant wife and kids. I wont be surprised if in most cases, the guys also lied to their wives about their 'education' and 'experience'. They now have to face humiliation in society for something the husband/father did.


Agree on that. But "chor" ko humiliations kyaa?:D :D

Also It could be in some cases Humiliations for Husband too.:D

[Napolean]

nahi yaar achchha nahi hua ye...kitne logon ki roji roti chali gayi yaar...kya karenge woh log ab.

[echarcha]

I have mentioned this before I think. When I was in a 'consulting' company in Bay Area, I had to do some interviews over the telephone of candidates in India. We would get some small pittance for this job. Anyway, those were days when the company used to pay very little and keep saying that the green card is being filed and its expensive, blah blah.

Anyway, so the procedure was to call up a candidate and ask him if he was okay with an interview right away. If he declined, then a time convenient to us both was scheduled.

So I scheduled an interview with some chap from Hy'bad. I started asking him the standard questions and then some general questions. From his answers I guessed he has about 2 years experience as he had just done 2 major projects. So I recommended to my boss that he could be hired as he knows his stuff upto a level and that he has about 2 years experience despite saying 3 to 4 on his resume. I warned him that he would have to be placed in a very junior level position in any company we sent him as a contractor to. It would be best if he were to go to some place where we already had our other employees on the same project.

In those days, there was a shortage of H1B folks in USA, especially Bay Area, and so my boss decided to go ahead with this candidate.

About 6 weeks later he arrived. Then he was sent for a few interviews where the project was exactly like the one he had described using the same technologies. He kept failing the interviews non stop. My boss asked me what was happening and if I had really asked tough questions. I was perplexed too. So the next interview he was sent to was at a company which had good relations with our company. We requested that his interview be taped. They obliged and taped the whole interview.

This moron did not know answers to even the basic questions I had asked on the phone. Also the voice I heard on the tape did not sound like the one I had spoken to. Not that I remembered every voice, but it was a recent interview and so I remembered a bit.

Anyway, my boss took him to task and then he confessed that the interview was attended by his friend!

My company fired him and gave him 5 days to pack up the guest house and leave. Within those 5 days, he managed to fool somone in New Jersey and got a new H1 application in process. My company did nto immediately terminate his H1 visa but this guy left soon. I dont know if he is in US still, but wherever he is, the client is getting duped!

[echarcha]

If this is the situation without reservations in private sector, imagine what will happen if reservations are forced! First off, you would not be able to fire them as they might claim 'casteist persecution' and secondly even if they were from legitimate universities with authentic certificates, they would not be competent and lack any useful skills and knowledge!

[AmthaLal]

I have mentioned this before I think. When I was in a 'consulting' company in Bay Area, I had to do some interviews over the telephone of candidates in India. !


I always wondered about this phone interviews.
How can it be authantic. I mean WTF the companies are thinking when interviewing a person on the phone on the other side of planet. We are from India, and we know very well how much honest our countrymen are.

No wonder how so many gultis have flooded this country in the name of H1. I mean, I am not saying All are like that, but this certain percentage of ppl ar making majority of you IT guys look bad.

Same shit goes for our gujjus too. Few years back, lots of these mofos were coming on the grounds of cultural goups and garba groups. As well as some "cricket teams" too. And Most of them ended up as bheed mai kho gayaa.
No wonder why Salmankhan got his visa declined a while ago.:D

[love_to_surf]

That is after the company conducted background checks on its middle and junior-level employees to curb fraud and minimise the risk of data theft.

But Satyam is not alone. HSBC too fired over 350 employees at its call centre in Hyderabad over the past week. Officials from Satyam say it is conducting checks at all its facilities in India and if an employee is found to have falsified any certification, he or she is being asked to leave immediately. They hope to make their companies virtually fraud free

I don't understand how such firing will minimise risk of data theft and keep companies fraud free ? If employee is doing his work honestly and efficiently and reliable enough then firing him on account of fake certification is not appropriate. These are junior and middle level employees who are in bad need of income...such sudden vast firings are just inhuman. There has to be different way of valuating employees... just certificates shouldnot be considered as basis for background checks.

[2gud]

I don't understand how such firing will minimise risk of data theft and keep companies fraud free ? If employee is doing his work honestly and efficiently and reliable enough then firing him on account of fake certification is not appropriate. These are junior and middle level employees who are in bad need of income...such sudden vast firings are just inhuman. There has to be different way of valuating employees... just certificates shouldnot be considered as basis for background checks.

It is not the question of certificates but the question of honesty, integrity, ethics, character and so on. First you need to be honest individual then only whether you are a good employee or not comes into picture,

You are underestimating the impact of dishonesty on global clientele - you can stand to lose an entire project. Good that the background checks have failed during domestic runs, just imagine the impact if the background check of an employee fails at the customer end.

Kaam karne keliye acche bandon ki kamee nahin, parr naam kyon kharab karne kaa company ko?

[2gud]

I know if the background checks are conducted in full rigour every US company, half the H1B community will never get a job anywhere.

There are some companies in US which do a thorough bc, but there are so many others which don't, despite the avenues to do so. All it takes is a 5 dollar charge to verify someone's residence history. But all the firms in the heirarchy CHOOSE not to do it, as long as the candidate 'hangs in there.

It has to do with the glut of opportunity in IT. The establishment knows if they start doing background checks, half the H1s will have to be kicked out. There goes the legal kick backs.


I would imagine that till the matter is all over american media, this practice of adding 5 years of experience to a resume that should really state '2 month training in Java - 0 yrs 0mths of work experience' will continue.

[love_to_surf]

It is not the question of certificates but the question of honesty, integrity, ethics, character and so on. First you need to be honest individual then only whether you are a good employee or not comes into picture,

You are underestimating the impact of dishonesty on global clientele - you can stand to lose an entire project. Good that the background checks have failed during domestic runs, just imagine the impact if the background check of an employee fails at the customer end.

Kaam karne keliye acche bandon ki kamee nahin, parr naam kyon kharab karne kaa company ko?
:) Agree ...but to my understanding these people were working there for sometime and already proven to hold good ethical background. They must follow these background checks for new hirings not for the people who were working with the company for some time...and if it is issue of performance then any how employees will get fired in this highly competitive market.

Also read this ....which gives little more Details (http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Cities/Hyderabad/IT_bytes_Techies_in_the_firing_line/articleshow/1614711.cms)....

[GunsNRoses]

Arre nahin Amthabhai, by family I meant wife and kids. I wont be surprised if in most cases, the guys also lied to their wives about their 'education' and 'experience'. They now have to face humiliation in society for something the husband/father did.
Could be the other way around as well. Having been through the arranging circuit, you'll be surprised how many lies families will cook up, especially when they hear you're an American.

[GunsNRoses]

Lying on your resume isn't a gult thing alone. Maybe people think it is a gult thing simply because there are more of them in IT. I've seen it from people all over the world.

There're also cases where some guys claim that they're "expert-level" in certain languages. They aren't really lying, they think they're experts. Problem is that these guys have been stuck behind some web-design shop for a couple of years and haven't really been challenged with tricky problems. I see this a lot too. Case in point: Guy writes/modifies some cgi scripts and thinks he's a perl guru. Unfortunately, he doesn't know the first thing about writing good high performance code, because the occasion has never come up at his last job. Can't recognize a schwartzian transform (and its benefits) to save his life and can't answer questions about perl constructs that don't involve using the print keyword. Another case: Guy claims he's had Oracle experience for 3 years. Unfortunately, he's been in small shops writing some stupid SELECT queries for people who can barely locate their computer power switch. His former employers think he's some kind of database god, but the guy can't write a decent stored procedure without looking up the syntax in a manual and has no idea about how to backup a database.

[razzrhino]

1000 Hyderbad IT professionals fired!

http://202.87.40.45/news_image_files/work1.gif

It is sleepless nights for Hyderabad's IT employees. About a 1000 lost their jobs overnight after they failed their employers' background checks. CNBC-TV18 gives the details.

It has been a harrowing week for Satyam (http://www.moneycontrol.com/india/stockpricequote/computerssoftwarelarge/satyamcomputerservices/12/28/pricechartquote/marketprice/SCS)'s staff, as 500 of their work mates have already been fired overnight. That is after the company conducted background checks on its middle and junior-level employees to curb fraud and minimise the risk of data theft.

But Satyam is not alone. HSBC too fired over 350 employees at its call centre in Hyderabad over the past week. Officials from Satyam say it is conducting checks at all its facilities in India and if an employee is found to have falsified any certification, he or she is being asked to leave immediately.

Satyam officials say they will not file criminal proceedings, but other IT and ITeS companies have begun similar checks. They hope to make their companies virtually fraud free.

Link (http://www.moneycontrol.com/india/news/currentaffairs/hyderabadsatyam/1000hyderbaditp/market/stocks/article/267502)

Sad, Companies should do this prior to hiring people and not afterwards.. what the heck were they thinking when issuing offer letters ? that we can always fire them later?? what assholes.. what about the employee who is doing a good job and is productive - he gets screwed too during these witchhunts..

the real deal is that all these are market driven.. the industry's laissez - faire chalta hai attitude leads to hiring morons from the market.. and when they start getting heat from the regulators/customers, they start putting in place these fantastic process improvements to eyewash/appease their customers..

If a guy was streetsmart enough to forge his resume and get through a rigorous interview process, then i say he is smart enough to do the job.

I'm not condoning dishonesty or bad ethics.. but i'm saying that the ground reality is that everyone in the industry is aware that these things are happening and yet they have no process of checks/balances in place to hire people..

The employment climate/employer is as responsible when something like this happens.. don't just blame the jobseeker, he's just trying to make ends meet, in a dog eat dog world

[echarcha]

Many US companies who hire vendors like InfoSys, TCS, Satyam, HCL, et-al are aware of 'certain' universities in India and not just Hyderabad.

Its time our own industry puts in efforts to collaborate with Universities in India and prepare a online database to verify the academic credentials of any candidate. This is not going to happen overnight, but will be a beneficial long term solution.

Offcourse certified reservation category candidates will be another story :D

[rationalthinker]

Satyam is rumored to being taken over by IBM.
IBM is a juna khiladi. Maybe they are getting rid of the 'flab' before the formal takeover!
Others too may be doing the same thing.?!