Is Al Qaeeda really about fighting infidels? I dont think so..

[echarcha]

Okay, we all have had a good time bashing Islam and I too participate. Well, for one, the terrorists kill innocents in the name of Islam and its a dastardly act. I have done my fair share of bashing, vented out, lashed at some members, said all kinds of things and I DO NOT regret it. But now that the anger is vented out, its time to think a little more in a cool headed fashion.

Anyway, I am not really interested in Islam but interested in trying to udnerstand the real motivation of terror organisations like Al Qaeeda.


I think I might be right. This is not a copy paste, but my own opinion.

Who is Osama Bin Laden?
Osama Bin Laden comes from a wealthy Saudi family. He quit his family roots and moved on to become an independent 'freedom fighter' if you will.

What is Osama fighting for?

Osama does not want the House of Saud, rulers of Saudi since the beginning, to rule Saudi Arabia and control the oil wells. He wants the proverbial piece of the pie, rather the entire pie, for himself. He wants the power to negotiate with the West and oil is a pretty powerful bargaining chip.

So how can Osama really get what he wants?
Osama is following the same principles as Hitler. Hitler wanted to be a leader. He wanted power. So to get it he slowly and surely started blaming Jews for all the ills of society and dire straits Germany was in. When things are desperate and depressing, people want something which will make them feel good and make them blame the overall bad situation on something. Its human nature. Hitler was shrewd and knew what to do - blame the Jews who were well to do, not because of their inheritance, but because of their acumen at business and hard work.

Similarly, Osama is using the Koran and Mohammed's teachings to rally support for his cause - defeat the imperialist, decadent and infidel West.

Not that Koran is a nice coffee table namby pamby book. It has the right ingredients of violence and tripe to rile up even a nonchalant fellow. Osama uses this to his own advantage, by blaming all ills of the Islamic community on the 'decadent' West.

Osama has succeeded in convincing all the young Muslims that they need to pick up arms and bombs to 'defend' Islam and their way of life.

What is Osama's plan?
Its pretty simple. If you are from Mumbai or any other prominent metor in India then you have heard of the underworld and perhaps seen a gang war or police encounters. What does a underworld gang leader 'bhai' do to retain and maintain his stronghold? Terrorise the business community which is his source of illegitimate income. Fear works wonders in the underworld industry.

So Osama is like any other mafia don who wishes to spread his wings and maintain a stranglehold on much of Middle East, especially Saudi.

Now countries like France are those 'happy to be left alone' countries who will appease Osama and all of Middle East for their own monetary gains and to be left alone in Osama's 'battle with the West'.

Countries like USA are like the proverbial good guy in Hindi films who cannot take it lying down that some bad guy is out blowing up people.

I know it sounds simplistic, but think again and maybe watch The Godfather again. It all boils down to how the underworld operates.

How can Osama be defeated?
This too can be achieved and we need look no further than at the udnerworld.

.. okay.. more on this later.. have to go now... meeting time at work..

[VedaVyasa]

Anyway, I am not really interested in Islam but interested in trying to udnerstand the real motivation of terror organisations like Al Qaeeda.

Links with some interesting stuff on links between islam and terrorism.
My personal opinion is that people are ensnared in a false identity of 7th century cult which is causing all the conflicts.

http://prophetofdoom.net/
http://prophetofdoom.net/chapter.aspx?g=401&i=41003

http://www.news.faithfreedom.org/
http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum/

[echarcha]

How can Osama be defeated?
This too can be achieved and we need look no further than at the underworld.

Territory
The basic philosophy of the underworld is territory and the expansion of territory.

Dawood Ibrahim became powerful because he expanded. He managed to win over and kill other big and small dons to expand his territory.

Osama has an advantage that using the Koran and Islam as the bait, he can hook thousands of young men who are already brainwashed from an early stage to hate and kill the infidels. So unlike an underworld don who has to build his own army of gansters, Osama has a ready army at his disposal.

To beat Osama, his territory needs to be diminished. Any underworld don is nothing if his territory is encroached up by others.

How can the West do this? Well, I am not an army expert nor a police officer. All I can say is from observing how gangs, dons came and went in Mumbai and how Dawood still rules the roost.

The West needs to systematically bomb, unilaterally if needed, all the training camps opened up in Pakistan, Afghanistan and other parts of Middle East. Use air power to decimate. No ground war. First massive air strikes and then everything later.

Money
Except the very young and freshly recruited towelhead, it is highly likely that the senior towelheads are well into the game for the money and power. Remember that all the terrorists arrested or dead (like in 9/11) were all young men who were crazed by the Allah and jihad bullcrap.

There is atleast one jihadi in the know who will give up Osama for money and protection.

Taste of their own medicine
The towelheads have been using beheading videos to great effect. These videos shock and unfortunately paralyse the Liberal West. "Oh we need to understand them" becomes the immediate slogan.

Ah well, imagine a few videos, where terrorists are tortured and then made to die a horrible death, airing on Al Jazeera. The captors and tormentors need not be revealed. Yes, use Hollywood special effects if necessary to create a few grisly videos and circulate. The men being killed in these videos should offcourse be abducted and whisked to any of the safe houses which the US has all over the world.

Subcontract torture and investigation
US laws and importantly the Liberals wont allow for even a single slap to be administered to terrorists under arrest. For such cases, subcontract interrogation to able and expert agencies like Mumbai police ( I am not joking).

Use a thorn to remove a thorn
During the World War 2, the FBI had enlisted help of the local dock gangs and the underworld to monitor for any German spies and suspicious activities. This yielded good results. Even a Muslim underworld don will not say no to money and pardon for all his past crimes and will surely help in getting information leading to arrest of terrorist cells, and who knows, maybe Osama.

Mumbai cops always use their contacts in the underworld to get all the information about any gang war or who shot who.


I am sure the governments in the West have more brains and smarts and tactics than I mentioned here. Well, I am just a ordinary law abiding discussion forum host. What do I know?