Maharashtrians Enslaved in Karnataka

[viking]

First those vedike goondas want non- Kannadigas out of the state and now this?? :mad:

Breakaway politics: Tension grips Belgaum
Yogesh Pawar

Wednesday, November 23, 2005 (Belgaum):

Belgaum is tense after the townships' municipal corporation passed a resolution to break away from Karnataka and join Maharashtra.

The controversial resolution was passed on Thursday.

Belgaum, with an 80 per cent Marathi-speaking population, has been a bone of contention between the two states.

Civic body dissolved:mad:

The dispute, which has been going on since the states were carved out in the mid 50s, is still pending in the Supreme Court.

On Monday, the Karnataka government dissolved the corporation and ousted Mayor Vijay More, who led the controversial resolution.

"I am not at all repentant. How long can we deny the aspirations of the 80 per cent Marathi-speaking people of Belgaum?" says More.

Tight security

Now, the district administration has taken charge of the corporation and security has been beefed up in Marathi-majority areas.

The dissolution of the Belgaum Municipal Corporation may have helped contain tension temporarily.

But if the Karnataka state government is serious about a long-term solution, it will have to find out why such a large section of the people feel alienated in the first place.

http://www.ndtv.com/topstories/showtopstory.asp?slug=Breakaway+politics%3A+Tension+grips+Belgaum&id=18215&category=National

[2gud]

Does anyone have demographic statistics - that of Belgaum city and Belgaum district? Anyone rational would naturally be concerned with that of the district as a city's demography alone will not decide which state it should be in. Otherwise most of the metropolitan cities would qualify for the same.

If belgaum district indeed has a marathi majority, is it like 80 M : 20 K or like 60 M : 40 K. Maybe in the later case it would lead to a mini district level civil war kind of situation if status quo is disturbed.

Also a case in point from Wikipedia:

"Maharashtra has a long standing dispute with Karnataka on the sovereignty of the Belgaum district in northwest Karnataka. When India's states were drawn on linguistic grounds, Belgaum was merged into Karnataka, despite having a large Marathi-speaking population. Recently, the Maharashtra government took the matter to the Supreme Court. The verdict is still pending. Nonetheless, Maharashtra considers Belgaum to be a part of the state and recognises its residents as its own. Historically having been ruled by the emperors of the ancient kingdom of Karnataka, the present Maharastra also has a major Kannada-speaking population-group in its southern districts, as well as in the major cities of Bombay and Pune."

[2gud]

Seems like the KRV fellows did more damage than good to their cause by raking up a dying issue...

Belgaum: Old wounds reopened

M. Madan Mohan

Attack on Belgaum Mayor in Bangalore revives `dead issue'; MES takes up the issue in a big way

HUBLI: An issue, which is slowly dying out if not dead altogether, has been resurrected. This is how the attack on Belgaum Mayor Kiran More in Bangalore recently by members of the Kannada Hitarakshana Vedike and the angry reaction to it in Belgaum on Sunday can be described.

The Karnataka-Maharashtra dispute had practically lost its fervour with Karnataka demanding total implementation of the Mahajan Commission report under which Belgaum will stay with Karnataka. Maharashtra too had been slowly distancing itself from the issue.

The Maharashtra Ekikarana Samiti, whose objective is to get Belgaum transferred to Maharashtra, has been losing popularity in the region. Its performance in the Assembly election has been going down gradually.

From a tally of five seats it used to win regularly in the past, it has been able to manage only two.

In the Belgaum City Corporation, it is nothing unusual for the civic body to pass a resolution endorsing the demand for merger of Belgaum with Maharashtra. But the State Government has been rejecting such resolutions saying that they are beyond the powers of a civic body.

Karnataka rejected Maharashtra's contention that the outcome of Assembly results should be taken as the basis for deciding the future of disputed areas in Belgaum district.

The State rejected this plea on the ground that the Assembly elections are not held on the linguistic issue only and that other factors have a bearing on the electoral outcome.

The Kannada activists in Bangalore have been demanding that the State Government should supersede the Belgaum City Corporation.

It is in this context that the treatment meted to the Mayor of Belgaum should be viewed.

Mr. More was in Bangalore as the representative of Belgaum to discuss the water supply problem and not to discuss the border dispute.

And the humiliating treatment meted out to him and his friends has again reopened the linguistic rancour, which was getting healed gradually.

[viking]

This is naked dravidian persecution of Maharashtrians. Balgaum should be allowed to go to Maharashtra.

[Indian]

This is naked dravidian persecution of Maharashtrians. Balgaum should be allowed to go to Maharashtra.

yes yes ...i completely agree with you
muslims are persecuted in hindu dominated india
kashmir should go to pakistan






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you certainly need a dose of rotten vada pav..u missed it today morning at andheri station ? :confused:

[BadnaamGaandu]

Boss, baaki sab theek hai, but don't absue the wada pavs!

[echarcha]

Boss, baaki sab theek hai, but don't absue the wada pavs!

If all states in India were drawn out based on language of the residents, then I dont see why Belgaum should remain with Karnataka. And this is not about re-districting all states again but only Belgaum as it has been an issue since so many years. I feel Supreme Court needs to step in and quickly give a verdict on the case.

[aby_baby]

If all states in India were drawn out based on language of the residents, then I dont see why Belgaum should remain with Karnataka. And this is not about re-districting all states again but only Belgaum as it has been an issue since so many years. I feel Supreme Court needs to step in and quickly give a verdict on the case.

Yup you are right that in an Ideal world Belgaum should revert to Maharashtra. But then there is more than what meets the eye.

The fact is Belgaum city has a majority of Marathi speaking people. However they are not a majority in the district. So you can't transfer the district to Maharashtra.

Secondly the villages from border of Maharashtra to Belgaum are mostly Kannada speaking. So how do you extend the borders of Maharashtra to Belgaum without affecting the Kannada speaking villages in between? You can't have a enclave of Maharashtra inside Karnataka. This is the reason why Belgaum is still in Karnataka.

Also inside Maharashtra there are areas in Solapur district which are Kannada speaking. They too face the same problem. No direct connectivity to Karnataka. The solution isnt as simple as it appears.

[aby_baby]

Our resident hate monger posts without knowing a squal about the dispute. However for the benefit of others. There was a comission chaired by a retired judge called Mahajan, which submitted a report (which goes by his name) on why Belgaum should be in Karnataka.

Here is the extract of the report


The Commission in its recommendation allocated Kolar and Belgaum to Karnataka. Kolar town has a Tamil majority, the district has Telugu speaking majority and Kolar has strong relation with Karnataka (then Mysore State). Similarly regarding Belgaum it was stated that "all Taluks (ten) of Belgaum district have economic relations with both Marathi as well as the Kannada speaking areas. The Belgaum town is the centre of the transit trade in this area. Neither the Belgaum town nor the other disputed areas have any particular marked economic affiliation with Marathi speaking districts of Bombay. There is no case, therefore, for detaching either Khanapur or Belgaum or portions of Chikkodi from the rest of the Belgaum district ... If as many as nine out of the eleven taluks go to Karnataka (Chandgad going to Bombay and Belgaum being disputed), then, on administrative grounds, the Belgaum town which is the district headquarters along with Belgaum taluk should also go to Karnataka".5 Justice Mahajan in his Report on the Commission on Maharashtra-Mysore-Kerala Boundary Disputes, 1967 recommended that "The claim to the town of Belgaum is disallowed and the city is not recommended for transfer to the State of Maharashtra".6


The reason why Belgaum is in Karnataka is purely admistrative. Nothing to do with hatred Maharashtra. BTW Justice Mahajan himself was a Marathi speaking guy.

[Cooldude]

Our resident hate monger posts without knowing a squal about the dispute. However for the benefit of others. There was a comission chaired by a retired judge called Mahajan, which submitted a report (which goes by his name) on why Belgaum should be in Karnataka.



Nice post aby_baby... An eye opener indeed..

[krishnan]

I fully agree with Belgaum Mayor and also Viking. Belgaum city should be in Maharashtra.

Likewise, in Mumbai, Chembur should go to Tamilnadu, Bhandup to Kerala, Borivili to Gujarat and Bhendibazaar to Pakistan.

[viking]

I fully agree with Belgaum Mayor and also Viking. Belgaum city should be in Maharashtra.

Likewise, in Mumbai, Chembur should go to Tamilnadu, Bhandup to Kerala, Borivili to Gujarat and Bhendibazaar to Pakistan.

This issue is more than 45 years old. We are talking about the demographic layouts at that time. Not due to change in population compasitions over the years.

[rameshp]

Our resident hate monger posts without knowing a squal about the dispute. However for the benefit of others. There was a comission chaired by a retired judge called Mahajan, which submitted a report (which goes by his name) on why Belgaum should be in Karnataka.

Here is the extract of the report


The Commission in its recommendation allocated Kolar and Belgaum to Karnataka. Kolar town has a Tamil majority, the district has Telugu speaking majority and Kolar has strong relation with Karnataka (then Mysore State). Similarly regarding Belgaum it was stated that "all Taluks (ten) of Belgaum district have economic relations with both Marathi as well as the Kannada speaking areas. The Belgaum town is the centre of the transit trade in this area. Neither the Belgaum town nor the other disputed areas have any particular marked economic affiliation with Marathi speaking districts of Bombay. There is no case, therefore, for detaching either Khanapur or Belgaum or portions of Chikkodi from the rest of the Belgaum district ... If as many as nine out of the eleven taluks go to Karnataka (Chandgad going to Bombay and Belgaum being disputed), then, on administrative grounds, the Belgaum town which is the district headquarters along with Belgaum taluk should also go to Karnataka".5 Justice Mahajan in his Report on the Commission on Maharashtra-Mysore-Kerala Boundary Disputes, 1967 recommended that "The claim to the town of Belgaum is disallowed and the city is not recommended for transfer to the State of Maharashtra".6


The reason why Belgaum is in Karnataka is purely admistrative. Nothing to do with hatred Maharashtra. BTW Justice Mahajan himself was a Marathi speaking guy.
no viking will not accept that. he will comeback to say this guy was drugged and made to write the above report! :D

[style bhai]

This issue is more than 45 years old. We are talking about the demographic layouts at that time. Not due to change in population compasitions over the years.
agar kisi ne bol diya ki adha bombay south INDIA me mila do tho tu maan lega kya, just because the demography have been changed u cannot argue on that basis.
may be kannadigas are going to come up with one solution , throw all marathi speaking people out of karnataka(they are used to doing this,during kaveri crisis tamilians were killed in karnataka)

[rameshp]

agar kisi ne bol diya ki adha bombay south INDIA me mila do tho tu maan lega kya, just because the demography have been changed u cannot argue on that basis.
may be kannadigas are going to come up with one solution , throw all marathi speaking people out of karnataka(they are used to doing this,during kaveri crisis tamilians were killed in karnataka)

yes bhai, we south indians are assh*les. we keep on fighting among each other. but, i do remember 2 other states in india which fought over the rivers like karnataka and tamil do. i wonder what these states are and where they are loacated in?

hint: its over river Yamuna/Ravi-Beas and the states are???? :D

oh, forgot, its only us south indians who are savages who keep fighting. so even these two sates shoud be in south. thanks for the remainder. we are barbarians! we kill northies. we perscute north, south, everyone. infact we f*ck whole of india! :D and we should probably join pakistan! :D and most of all we eat sambhar, rice and lick it off our forearms and elbows! :D

[ramrajya]

yes bhai, we south indians are assh*les. we keep on fighting among each other. but, i do remember 2 other states in india which fought over the rivers like karnataka and tamil do. i wonder what these states are and where they are loacated in?

hint: its over river Yamuna/Ravi-Beas and the states are???? :D

oh, forgot, its only us south indians who are savages who keep fighting. so even these two sates shoud be in south. thanks for the remainder. we are barbarians! we kill northies. we perscute north, south, everyone. infact we f*ck whole of india! :D and we should probably join pakistan! :D and most of all we eat sambhar, rice and lick it off our forearms and elbows! :D
That actually made me think that Bombing for peace is actually F*cking For Virginity... :D :D Ramesh The Barbarian.... :D :D Chill mate.....u r a good man

[rameshp]

That actually made me think that Bombing for peace is actually F*cking For Virginity... :D :D Ramesh The Barbarian.... :D :D Chill mate.....u r a good man

lol :D :D

[viking]

yes bhai, we south indians are assh*les. we keep on fighting among each other. but, i do remember 2 other states in india which fought over the rivers like karnataka and tamil do. i wonder what these states are and where they are loacated in?

hint: its over river Yamuna/Ravi-Beas and the states are???? :D

oh, forgot, its only us south indians who are savages who keep fighting. so even these two sates shoud be in south. thanks for the remainder. we are barbarians! we kill northies. we perscute north, south, everyone. infact we f*ck whole of india! :D and we should probably join pakistan! :D and most of all we eat sambhar, rice and lick it off our forearms and elbows! :D

It's not something against Tamil Nadu this time these dravidian dacoits are facing the mighty Maharashtrians. This could just be the respite that Shiv Sena could get.

Maybe Uddhav or Raj could try crossing the border into Belgaum with a few thousand supporters just to express solidarity with our oppressed Marathi breatheren. Maybe they could get arrested but then that will vitate the atmosphere a lot.

And I'm told that Southies dont just like Sambar from their forearms and elbows they also lick the recycled version that comes out from their own behinds! :D They lick to survive.

[love_to_surf]

It's not something against Tamil Nadu this time these dravidian dacoits are facing the mighty Maharashtrians. This could just be the respite that Shiv Sena could get.

Maybe Uddhav or Raj could try crossing the border into Belgaum with a few thousand supporters just to express solidarity with our oppressed Marathi breatheren. Maybe they could get arrested but then that will vitate the atmosphere a lot.

And I'm told that Southies dont just like Sambar from their forearms and elbows they also lick the recycled version that comes out from their own behinds! :D They lick to survive.


This is what exactly happening since 1960's.....time to time mean politicians have tried to trigger the incidence and here you too belong to that cult who giving great plan to further make the matter worse. Kannadigas from Belgaum are tempered to be very innocent , they do not have your "Sambhar Hating Attitude". As Aby_baby explained Mahajan commission gave final stand in the issue and there is nothing further to be discussed.


If you see Belgaum it is small city, and you go little outskirts of Belgaum there is no trace of Marathi language. It is true that there are many marathi people in Belgaum who have migrated from Konkan region many years back for livelihood. Get inside heart of the city there is no difference between Marathi and Kannada speaking people they are in absolute harmony and ask marathi speking people do they really want to belong to Maharashtra ? They are very happy with their belonging to Karnataka only thing they demand is " Peace from those political games". And further you peep in Belgaum it is now home for all southies and northies . There is one "Mini Kerala" city developed inside. Many Tamilians who were transferred on central Govt. job to Belguam adopted it as their permanant settling place . The reason for all such attraction is good weather, cheap land and real estate, Big hub of grocery and fresh produce, educational institutes, hospitals, airport and many more plus points. Every week people from Goa drive 5 hours for their groceries to Belgaum. So there is lot of prosperity in the land of Belgaum and it is no more just Marathi region but influx of all people from India. It will be good to let Belgaum live and prosper without political intervention upon pointless lingual demands.............

And lastly how come nobody told you that Maharashtrians also enjoy .... Aamti ( sweet and sour Dal ) the same way southies enjoy their Sambhar........ :D

[King]

Everytime I think that this f***** has reached the lowest point, he reaches new lows. What a totally f***** up hate-monger. Shit man.. I think India has no scope at all. We are totally screwed and we absolutely don't need any Osamas for any of this.

If you ask me, India should never have been divided on language lines. I wonder which moron's idea it was.. we are a single country, but we will maintain our identities and fight with each other at every possible oppurtunity. God Save our Country !!!

[style bhai]

yes bhai, we south indians are assh*les. we keep on fighting among each other. but, i do remember 2 other states in india which fought over the rivers like karnataka and tamil do. i wonder what these states are and where they are loacated in?

hint: its over river Yamuna/Ravi-Beas and the states are???? :D

oh, forgot, its only us south indians who are savages who keep fighting. so even these two sates shoud be in south. thanks for the remainder. we are barbarians! we kill northies. we perscute north, south, everyone. infact we f*ck whole of india! :D and we should probably join pakistan! :D and most of all we eat sambhar, rice and lick it off our forearms and elbows! :D

baba re baba, tu toh ek dam patakhe ke mafikh mere upar kyu chilaraha he re. be cool and read my post once again, u would see that i have never said anything bad about south INDIANS. and BTW i lived one year of my life in banglore and hyderabad

[viking]

If you ask me, India should never have been divided on language lines. I wonder which moron's idea it was.. we are a single country, but we will maintain our identities and fight with each other at every possible oppurtunity. God Save our Country !!!

Chacha Nehru of the Kangress party divided the country on the lines of language. Beside there were agitations for language based states after independance and these were prmarily in the south. So cannot blame him completely.

India should have a federal structure now. We should have only one command during the time of crisis otherwise we are different people as a Maharashtrian I have nothing in common with lets say a Tamilian. Similarly Tamilians have time and again shown that they are opposed to North Indians.

We should have separate laws for each state.Period.

Military etc can be under one command but even wealth generated by states should be made available to only subjects of that particular state. No free lunches for anyone.

[Indian]

Boss, baaki sab theek hai, but don't absue the wada pavs!
me being tasted samabar as well as wada pav..i found sambar much better in taste. i dont know how you ppl appreciate wada pav..it is so tasteless.
Try dipping wada pav in sambar , your wada pav will become little tasty.
conclusion: my sambar is better than your wada pav.

other than linguistic divisions ...how would you divide india into smaller manageable states ? dress / food ? :confused:

My Demands...

lot of telugu population in Andaman & Nicobar islands...infact C.B.Naidu has given a nod for an idea to start telugu desam party at Andamans.
So...going by this logic of our MR.All Know , Andamans should be merged with Andhra Pradesh.
Andman and Andhra start with And.

I relaised lot of malayalees live in Dubai ...dubai should be merged with kerala.

[rameshp]

baba re baba, tu toh ek dam patakhe ke mafikh mere upar kyu chilaraha he re.

arre bhai, y do u feel i am shouting at you? i am only talking abt southies and their vulgar culture as viking like to say! :D

be cool and read my post once again, u would see that i have never said anything bad about south INDIANS. and BTW i lived one year of my life in banglore and hyderabad

also if you observe, never in my existance at EC had i said anything against north indians nor maharastrians coz i dont have that anti-north feeling. inshort, i dont care if u from north or south as long as u are from india.
but when hate mongers lke viking keep harping anti -south remarks here, i will not stay quiet in rattling out this scum called viking!

[ShivSainik]

me being tasted samabar as well as wada pav..i found sambar much better in taste. i dont know how you ppl appreciate wada pav..it is so tasteless.
Try dipping wada pav in sambar , your wada pav will become little tasty.
conclusion: my sambar is better than your wada pav.



me being tasted samabar as well as wada pav..i found wada pav much better in taste. i dont know how you ppl appreciate sambar..it is so tasteless.
Try dipping wada pav in sambar , your sambar will become little tasty.
conclusion: my wada pav is better than your sambar.

:rolleyes:

[viking]

also if you observe, never in my existance at EC had i said anything against north indians nor maharastrians coz i dont have that anti-north feeling.
Well you dont have to say anything. Your south Indian brothers in your states do that for you!

Stoning Infy, abusing Khusboo enslaving Marathis in Belgaum etc etc!

[Indian]

abusing Khusboo !
Bulshitter,
why do you think kushboo is targeted ? because she is from mumbai ?

[Indian]

:rolleyes:

sirjee

you are my guru who taught me how to play pool
sorry ..if my comments hurt you. My comments are strictly aimed at Mr.Bullshitter of echarcha

[krishna]

This is naked dravidian persecution of Maharashtrians. Balgaum should be allowed to go to Maharashtra.

Chill out man. Have some dosa and idli, you'll feel better afterwards.

[TerminatorJR]

And I'm told that Southies dont just like Sambar from their forearms and elbows

Just then one of those guys licked his forehand right from his elbow to his palm.
Hold it right there buddy. lol

Southy toh kya, no normal Indian(Northy, Easty, Westy) can reach&/lick his/her elbow with their own tongue. ;) (unless one has a super duper tongue for you know what :D)

Try it folks and lets see how many eCharchans can touch their elbows with their tongues. :p

[arun]

Dear Echarchans,

It was the father of the nation(?) who wanted the division of the country on language basis. This did not happen for long time till Potti Sriramulu died while fasting for the formation of Andhra Pradesh.
Nehru had to beat hasty retreat from his stand and first formed the state of Andhra Pradesh for Telugu speaking people. Obviously and as usual the politicians in all other states demanded their pound of flesh.
Nehru appointed a commision of three persons headed by a Mallyali.
The committee recommended formation of linguistic states with village as base.
This commission overlooked their the laid down principle of "village as base" and separated Belgaum city and adjecent three Talukas(like Khanapur, Nipani etc) with overwhelming Marathi majority. These are border places adjecent to the neighbouring District of Kolhapur and gave this region to Karnataka.

Nehru who was an avowed Maharashtrian hater made one more exception and formed a bilingual state of Maharashtra and Gujarath. The sole purpose was to deprive Maharashtra of Mumbai.
The then Chief Minister of the bilingual state Mr. Morarji Desai, who claimed himself as Gandhi's true deciple, shot deat 105 agitating Maharashtrians in Mumbai alone. The agitation took furious turn and Nehru had to give in and form Maharashtra and Gujrath. I think the Chinese have taken a lesson from Morarji in crushing the students agitation by crushing the students under military tanks at Tian a Main square in Peking..

The formation of linguistic states was so defective that Jharkhand got separated from Bihar, Uttaranchal was separated from Uttar Pradesh and now the Telangana is rearing its head. The present ruling Congress party has won last Assembly elections in Andhra Pradesh by promising a separate state of Telangana.
If these corrections could be done much later, then why Belgaum and other adjoing Talukas with majority Maharashtrians request for merger in Maharashtra be ignored?
The reason for not acceeding to this request is only one. The impotancy of Maharashtra's congress leaders. During the agitation of separate Maharashtra, Yashwantrao Chavan has gone on recrd that Nehru is greater than Maharashtra. This was worse than President Zail Singh saying that he will sweep the roads if Indira Gandhi tells him to do so. Even today, no Congress leader can stop the daily quota of thousands of Tamils, Biharis and UPians from setting the slums and defacing Mumbai and other cities of Maharashtra.
One liner from Sonia Gandhi and the tractors and JCBs stopped the demolition of illegal hutments.

All other arguments that it is old and forgotten problem, that Matunga should be merged to Tamilnadu are purely childish and meant only to deride someone to digress the issue.

Arun

[Venky]

This whole thing is so screwy. But please be a little more respectful towards South Indians. This site is owned by a south indian :mad:

[krishnan]

There are more Marathi speaking people in Karnataka than Kannada speaking people in Maharashtra.

Marathi speaking people are found at village level in Karnataka. They all speak Marathi at home but for all other purposes they are Kannadigas.

One such famous Marathi person is Rajnikanth and another was an actress by name Sangita Naik from Bangalore.

When Kannadigas are so neutral about this why Belgaum Mayor is stirring fire?

[aby_baby]

Dear Echarchans,

Nehru appointed a commision of three persons headed by a Mallyali.
The committee recommended formation of linguistic states with village as base.
This commission overlooked their the laid down principle of "village as base" and separated Belgaum city and adjecent three Talukas(like Khanapur, Nipani etc) with overwhelming Marathi majority. These are border places adjecent to the neighbouring District of Kolhapur and gave this region to Karnataka.

Nehru who was an avowed Maharashtrian hater made one more exception and formed a bilingual state of Maharashtra and Gujarath. The sole purpose was to deprive Maharashtra of Mumbai.
Arun

Nice conspiracy theories. Oh yeah some Aliens were also seen at the PMO just before the decision.

BTW do you understand the implications of the principle of "village as base". No wonder it was killed. You can have a village speaking language X, surrounded by villages speaking language Y. It is not uncommon if you go to state border areas. People there are generally bilingual. No wonder the Commission took geographical contiguity as an important consideration.

So as per your idea Belgaum should go to Maharashtra. Does that mean Belgaum should be an enclave of Maharashtra inside Karnataka? Belgaum is surrounded by Kannada speaking villages, though the town itself is Marathi speaking. So how will Maharashtra authorities approach Belgaum without passing throught Kannada speaking areas.

Do you understand the implications of that. Well I am sure you dont because all you see is conspiracy against Maharashtra.

BTW what about areas adoining Solapur like Akkalkote which are primarily Kannada speaking?