Reason's For Partition Of India

[viking]

L.K Advani has set the cat amongst the pegions by mentioning Jinnah's so called secular side. Even if it can be argued on the basis of the one speech he gave in the constituent assembly. Having said that we should give even the devil his due.

My question is would Jinnah have divided the nation based on religious lines had the Kaangress accomodated his ambitions of shaping the nations destiny? Would he oversee the slaughter of about a million Hindu Men, women and children if his Muslim legue not been sidelined to massage Nehru's ego and his hidious ambition of scuttling Sardar Patel and Jinnah's participation in their respective ambitions.

Pls. vote and let us know your views.

[viking]

Pls. read this article before you post to make your vote a more qualified one.


We all know that India was partitioned in 1947 and while some would call it "The Year of the Lion", the others would call it "The Year of the Rat". It affected hundreds of millions of human lives. But since then very little thought has been given to the reasons, the circumstances and the consequences of Partition for all the people of the sub continent ever since.

World War 2 had been a bitter struggle for life and death of the United Kingdom, India's imperialist masters at the time and their Indian colony was assured of independence as a reward for their support to defeat the AXIS Powers (Germany, Italy and Japan). Not all the political parties in India supported the war effort. All India Congress Party under the leadership of Mr. MK ("Mahatma") Gandhi and Pandit Jawaharlal Nehru were conspicuously opposed to the continuing British rule over India and had become an obstacle. There had been widespread civil disobedience across the country, particularly in Maharashtra, UP and Bihar. However, All India Muslim League, the party claiming to speak for all the Indian Muslims remained neutral.

With long memory and a spirit of vengeance the British decided to leave India but only after partitioning it between the Muslims and the Hindus. However, since All India Congress Party continued to insist on speaking on behalf of all the Indians, including the Muslims, the term "Hindus" became "The Rest".

By this insistence of All-India Congress Party, the Muslims were rewarded with FIVE provinces of India while the Hindus ended up with nothing. Hindu religion was not enshrined in her Constitution as the State Religion. India still remained under Congress Party that was committed to the rights of the Muslims as much as to the rights of the Hindus. In this equation, the unfortunate Hindus became twice losers.

Islamic Pakistan set about total ethnic cleansing of the non Muslim minorities while the Rest of India became secular and protective of Muslim life, property, constitutional rights and safeguards. It is this fact that has continuously soured relations between the two communities in PI (Partitioned India).
Since Congress Party were in absolute control of PI, they could simply brainwash their subjects into forgetting Partition and, instead, to look at the achievements of its own leaders in driving the British out of India. The subservient "Indian coolie" media continued to champion the new ideology of make-believe world in which a fragment of India is still called "India", SOUTH Kashmir is still known as "Kashmir" and the small fragment of the original grand province of The Punjab is still known as "Punjab". The people of India really swallowed the Congress bait "hook, line and sinker".
Pandit Nehru, aware of his High Treason, set about playing the tunes of "Hindu-Muslim Bhai Bhai", Secularism, adoration of Gandhi and his Ahimsa Parmo Dharma, lulling the people into accepting his Dynasty as the legitimate and rightful rulers of India for ever. Thus he could successfully prevent any inquisitive patriotic eyes from probing into his treacherous role at Partition.

In due course of time Nehru Dynasty acquired so much power over the people of India that more of them saw their salvation in worshipping Nehru and his politically convenient mentor Gandhi, rather than questioning his role at Partition or his secularism and morality. The Gandhis, as the Nehru Dynasty came to be known to further mislead and fool the people as to their real genealogy and ideology, had a paranoia about freedom of speech. They controlled the media, particularly Broadcasting, that is crucial in an illiterate country like India, and closely watched any journalist and editor "stepping beyond the line". They put their foot down on 1947 and all what happened to the ordinary people of India in that year.

Whatever was to smear their fair name in the world, was ruthlessly ELIMINATED or CRUSHED. Some dare devil democrats and champions of freedom of speech were severely punished during the Emergency declared by Pandit Nehru's daughter in 1975. It was a hammering that was to keep the nation's HEAD DOWN for another quarter of a century.

There were two unfortunate consequences of this Suppression of Truth about Partition. Firstly, the guilty were never punished and secondly no official report was commissioned on PARTITION to list the losses- both HUMAN and MATERIAL, or record the political consequences like the wars over Kashmir. Nothing was put down in the Constitution enacted under Nehru's close scrutiny on 26 January 1950 about reunification of the country. The questions, "What direction will India, Pakistan and Bangladesh be going?" and, "What will be the consequences of that for peace in all parts of former India?" have never been answered.

As a result of this extreme suspicion of 'people power', the two new States bore the brunt of brutality. It meant that Nehru Dynasty were beyond Law and NO enquiry could be conducted about their treason and corruption at and after Partition. No one could question their vast wealth in the shape of bank accounts and properties in India and abroad, and the various "foundations" that siphon off nation's savings in a big but unseen way. SOUTH Kashmir and EAST Punjab have remained afflicted with militancy that has held life to ransom. Both States are related in an ironic way, being the illegitimate product of Partition.

The website www.partitionofindia.com is the PEOPLE'S own site with two aims-

1. Give the people the chance to tell the others of their personal experiences and memories of that fateful year when MILLIONS were uprooted from their ancestors' territory.
2. Offer indictment of the political leaders of the time who are otherwise beyond reproach and criticism. We hear the term "Father of the Nation" applied blindly in the case of both Jinnah and Gandhi. On THIS site the PEOPLE will look at the roles fathers play in the family and whether these two men were really entitled to be called "fathers" since they were more the victims of their own personal ambitions, mutual rivalries and animosities and the invisible hand of the Imperialist Overlords overhead.

You are invited to recall those days and if you were born after 1947 or have no clear memory, then please ask those who were well aware of what was happening then. The best people to set the PEOPLE'S record straight are the elderly in our communities, our parents and grandparents and anyone else who can narrate truthfully and as objectively as possible, as to what happened before, during and after the partition of India. Personal stories like witnessing burning properties, abduction and rape of girls, killing of people, ambushes and the long convoys and their arrival at new and
unfamiliar places, the modes of travel and escape, are all important to be recorded for posterity. We should not have to live under the remorse that "they scattered and vanished like the ants when floods devastate their colony."

On this List all are invited to contribute- not any one particular group or denomination. It is for the Hindus, Sikhs, Buddhists and Atheists as much as for the Muslims and the Christians, and anyone else. These ought to be true recollections and honest views and impressions.

http://www.partitionofindia.com/

[padhu]

Viking

I think you need to read this article.

http://us.rediff.com/news/2005/jun/13tca.htm

Its always beter to view both sides of the coin rather than just one. :D

[BABU_HYDERABADI]

BTW do u guys think INDIA would have been better without partition?

[vyomkeshsaxena]

Viking

I think you need to read this article.

http://us.rediff.com/news/2005/jun/13tca.htm

Its always beter to view both sides of the coin rather than just one. :D

informative article :up:

I strongly feel that RSS and VHP should mind their business and stop fingering in indian political system/parties!! at one side they say they have nothing to do with politics but seems like they have everyhing to do with politics!! b@stards :mad:

[UMA]

BTW do u guys think INDIA would have been better without partition?

Partition was a blessing in disguise. If it hadn't happened, with a large muslim population, the politics would be highly polarized by religious affiliations. PM, President, Cabinet ministry and bureucratic appointments would be highly dictated by a person's religion. I am not saying that it does not happen today, but in my opinion it would have been more/worse.

I think India is better without Pakistan.

[echarcha]

Partition was a blessing in disguise. If it hadn't happened, with a large muslim population, the politics would be highly polarized by religious affiliations. PM, President, Cabinet ministry and bureucratic appointments would be highly dictated by a person's religion. I am not saying that it does not happen today, but in my opinion it would have been more/worse.

I think India is better without Pakistan.
And dont you think the same kind of Muslim appeasement politics is happening under the disguise of "secularism" ? :rolleyes: (Ooops... your Sonia-ji's party blows the secularism horn the most ;) )

[viking]

This poll is going as expected. I feel it was Nehru alone who is responsible for the partition of India. He was the one who antagonised Jinnah to the point where he was forced to slauglter about 1 million Hindu men women and children to get another chunk of land which he could rule without the intervention of Nehru and Gandhi who were the self proclaimed leaders of undivided India.

Having said that I feel partition was a blessing in disguise. A major chunk of Muslims helped us out by leaving. The other's who stayed back too are pampered but not able to rule just Imagine with just 13% of the population they dominate the rest significantly. Ram Vilas Paswan's insistance on a Muslim chief minister for Bihar is just one example. If they happened to be about 48% of the population I'm sure we Hindu's(the one's proud of their identity, not the seculars who are ashamed to be called one ) would have to pay Jazia(tax imposed on non Muslims). Other wierd laws such as Hindu daughters would have to be married to Muslims and get converted etc could have followed.

Also I would not blame ONLY Muslims for the killings during partition. The Kaangress dominated by casteist's in Maharashtra slaughtered hundreds of Brahmins all across Maharashtra after Gandhi's murder only because Nathuram Godse was a Brahmin. Mercilessly his parents were drowned into a well. Many Brahmin women were raped and killed by these so called secular Gandhian Hindus. So I would definately NOT blame ONLY Muslims for the mayhem.

Today many would hesitate to call Nathuram a villan. As the repercussions of Gandhis flawed policies are being felt by the generations born much after 1947.But even so History books by the Kangressi NCRT paint Nathuram as a fanatic. Shame!

Nehru and Gandhi were the biggest hypocrites produced by India. It's a shame that due to VHP's pressure BJP seems to have lost the initiative to open the can of worms for the Kangress by digging into the misdeeds of the so called 'heroes' of India's history.

[viking]

Nitish for national debate on partition

DHANBAD: Taking a cue from party colleague and NDA convenor George Fernandes, senior JD(U) leader Nitish Kumar on Monday advocated a national debate to ascertain who had been responsible for partition of the country.


It was high time that a national debate was held over the partition so that people came to know the actual reason and those responsible for it, Kumar told reporters here before leaving for Madhupur.

It would be an injustice to Mohammad Ali Jinnah if he alone was blamed for the partition, Kumar said.

Barring Mahatma Gandhi and Frontier Gandhi Khan Abdul Gaffur Khan, all Congress leaders of the time had been in favour of it, he claimed.

Earlier this month, Fernandes had also demanded a national debate on the issue.

Citing a book written by Rammonahar Lohia, Fernandes had claimed that Jinnah believed in secular politics but was pushed towards communal politics by none other than Jwaharlal Nehru.

Go Get Em..Get These Kaangressis By Their Balls! (http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshowbnews/1153437.cms)

[desichacha]

abay viking hizda


Poll Voting is not going in your favour that you wanted to see. :rotfl:
don't be irked.. I htink it is a fair article and really do question valid points..

are u US or belong to the DARK side :)

[kingfisher]

Jawaharlal Nehru and M K Gandhi partitioned India with help of Brits and Jinnah. For too long the Indians (and Pakis) have learnt the lie of Jinnah being the sole creator of Pakistan. Not only impossible but given a chance he (Jinnah)would have stayed with a united India.

Irrespective of what the kangi supporters say its obviously impossible for a sole person like Jinnah to mobilise a huge force behind him to drive the division of India. Also the fact that there were a large section of people supporting the creation of Pakistan point to two things about the "father" of our nation/s :

1. Either Gandhi was not really as popular as he is made out to be and that he did not have a good standing amongst these people.
or
2. That Gandhi was tacitly supporting these people for partition, in either case his so called "greatness" stands diminished.

Even after partition the Kangress has been playing a policy of appeasement with the Pak (except probably during the 1971 war which I think we were forced into). It is said that Indira Gandhi lost the war on tables which was won by here generals in battlefield (will post links later)

Nehru also screwed up on China front real bad and large pieces of Indian land are under Chinese control also Tibet is lost to china forever.

But the most disturbing fact is the large Kangress supporters instead of objectively assessing their leaders strengths and weaknesses (and this is applicable to other political parties too but with kangress it is imp. cos they have been in power for too long) they have been opposing/bashing anyone who pointed any flaws in their leaders. With the Gandhi family worship ,its as if the Kangress has lost all its mind and given up on any other person being groomed as their leader.

To me it seems like a certain section of our (Indian and Paki) society has been stupid enough to think that by screwing these countries (and its people) and amassing wealth they are acting smart, rather I think these guys are stupid (mostly this is the political class).
On the other hand the people in these countries (the so called sommon man) have to accept the responsibility for not being wise enough and respect themselves and realize that democarcy means freedom with responsibility. Certain things have nothing to do with education its just a basic programming framework of the mind.

[viking]

Jawaharlal Nehru and M K Gandhi partitioned India with help of Brits and Jinnah. For too long the Indians (and Pakis) have learnt the lie of Jinnah being the sole creator of Pakistan. Not only impossible but given a chance he (Jinnah)would have stayed with a united India.

Irrespective of what the kangi supporters say its obviously impossible for a sole person like Jinnah to mobilise a huge force behind him to drive the division of India. Also the fact that there were a large section of people supporting the creation of Pakistan point to two things about the "father" of our nation/s :

1. Either Gandhi was not really as popular as he is made out to be and that he did not have a good standing amongst these people.
or
2. That Gandhi was tacitly supporting these people for partition, in either case his so called "greatness" stands diminished.

Even after partition the Kangress has been playing a policy of appeasement with the Pak (except probably during the 1971 war which I think we were forced into). It is said that Indira Gandhi lost the war on tables which was won by here generals in battlefield (will post links later)

Nehru also screwed up on China front real bad and large pieces of Indian land are under Chinese control also Tibet is lost to china forever.

But the most disturbing fact is the large Kangress supporters instead of objectively assessing their leaders strengths and weaknesses (and this is applicable to other political parties too but with kangress it is imp. cos they have been in power for too long) they have been opposing/bashing anyone who pointed any flaws in their leaders. With the Gandhi family worship ,its as if the Kangress has lost all its mind and given up on any other person being groomed as their leader.

To me it seems like a certain section of our (Indian and Paki) society has been stupid enough to think that by screwing these countries (and its people) and amassing wealth they are acting smart, rather I think these guys are stupid (mostly this is the political class).
On the other hand the people in these countries (the so called sommon man) have to accept the responsibility for not being wise enough and respect themselves and realize that democarcy means freedom with responsibility. Certain things have nothing to do with education its just a basic programming framework of the mind.

Very well written. History in India is very biased. I would go on to say that Indian's are totally brainwashed. Just as the Commies brainwashed Russians and the East Europeans these Kaangressis brainwash us into worshipping Kangressi personalities.

[kingfisher]

As promised in my earlier post, Iam putting links to the discussion of 1971 post war treaty, not putting too much stuff here cos this may be a good start to new thread

The settlement made with Pakistan at Shimla on July 3, 1972, was a real fiasco. It literally turned the vanquished into a victor. Instead of utilizing the convincing victory won by the Indian armed forces in the December war for setting the Kashmir issue at rest, Indira Gandhi converted the military victory into political defeat by re-opening the Kashmir issue and explicitly accepting Pakistan as a party to it. This virtually put back the Kashmir issue where it stood on January 1, 1949.

Full article :
Kashmir : THE GREAT BETRAYAL (http://ikashmir.org/new/displaymore.php?page=17&subchkey=65&itemid=372&chname=Publications&subitemkey=1177&subchnm=Books%20on%20History)

[dhurandhar]

As promised in my earlier post, Iam putting links to the discussion of 1971 post war treaty, not putting too much stuff here cos this may be a good start to new thread



Full article :
Kashmir : THE GREAT BETRAYAL (http://ikashmir.org/new/displaymore.php?page=17&subchkey=65&itemid=372&chname=Publications&subitemkey=1177&subchnm=Books%20on%20History)

and don't you wonder how dumb a fu(k was Vajpayee to glorify the bytch:D

[viking]

and don't you wonder how dumb a fu(k was Vajpayee to glorify the bytch:D
He appreciated Idira's action in separation of Pakistan (creation of Bangladesh) that's all. Why do you think he glorifeied her? Chawanni fenk fenk ke usko channe ke jhaad par chadhaya, so that she did not think twice before she attacked Pakistan.

[dhurandhar]

He appreciated Idira's action in separation of Pakistan (creation of Bangladesh) that's all. Why do you think he glorifeied her? Chawanni fenk fenk ke usko channe ke jhaad par chadhaya, so that she did not think twice before she attacked Pakistan.

i think any other prime minister (except M Desai) would have done it....what was the big deal....the blunder of course was that what our jawans achieved she gave it back on silver platter to Bhutto:D

[viking]

i think any other prime minister (except M Desai) would have done it....what was the big deal....the blunder of course was that what our jawans achieved she gave it back on silver platter to Bhutto:D
He appreciated her when the war was on. No one not even Vajpayee could predict that she would screw up later!