which country would you choose to live in

[vakil sahib]

this is a spin off from another thread on the same subject. a report inthe economist magazine has shown that ireland is the best place on earth to live in.

which country would you live in? when choosing a country to live in what factors would you take into account? what is the most important consideration for you as an indian?

which country would you choose not to live in? please ignore pakistan, bangladesh, iraq:rolleyes: , iran, etc for the purposes of this discussion.

please cast your vote. if you vote for ireland please identify yourself:p

[vakil sahib]

i have lived in kenya and in the UK for much of my life to date.
when choosing a country to live in i would take into account, amongst other things, job availability and security, personal security, the presence or otherwise of an indian community, education, standard of living, democratic practices,etc

taking all these into consideration i think i would choose to remain in the UK.

i would not live in iceland, norway, switzerland, etc because of a lack of community(indian) around. jobs, too, would be a consideration.

[Desi24]

The ONLY country I would live in is the USA. Even after all its shortcomings, I still think this is the greatest country. :up:

[Zen]

I would say USA. Other than India this is the only country I have ever lived in so I cannot compare.

[Indian]

India :up:

[vakil sahib]

desi, indian and zen please give brief reasons if possible for your choice.
zen, this is a theoretical question, yaar. if you could choose would you live in any other country and why?

also, what about countries you would not like to live in?

[Cooldude]

I started the other thread that Vakil’s referring to.

However I have no grievances about the place where I stay. I love my country & I love my city Bombay…:up:

I still prefer my city to be more cleaner & free of crime & corruption…

As for cities abroad, I like New York . The melting pot is a fine example of people of various races & cultures living together. :up:

[vakil sahib]

Originally posted by Cooldude
I started the other thread that Vakil’s referring to.

However I have no grievances about the place where I stay. I love my country & I love my city Bombay…:up:

I still prefer my city to be more cleaner & free of crime & corruption…

As for cities abroad, I like New York . The melting pot is a fine example of people of various races & cultures living together. :up:

cooldude, if you had a free choice of moving anywhere else, would you choose not to do so?
what about countries you would NOT want to go to?

[Cooldude]

Originally posted by vakil sahib
cooldude, if you had a free choice of moving anywhere else, would you choose not to do so?
what about countries you would NOT want to go to?

Vakil, I would still love to stay in Bombay.

I had a lot of adoration for the US... & still fondly recall all my visits there except my last visit in 2002.

The screening & frisking of passengers boarding flights in various airports was selective & racially prejudiced.

Talking about the UK, I never had any unpleasant experiences so far when I travelled there.

I still feel that there's no unmatched feeling of comfort of being at home than anywhere else in the world.

[Indian]

Achi naukri hain , gaadi , bunglaaw, family, dost ..sab hain yaha par. Kuch bada kar dikhane ka scope bhi bad raha hain ..india mein. very less reasons for me to stay out of India.

[nayasavera]

I have had opportunities to live and work in India, US and a few countries in Europe. As far as working conditions are concerned, Germany is the best place to be employed in. You get as many as 30 days off in a year (plus public holidays). You can fall sick as often as you want and still get paid. The doctors are always too willing to advise you bed rest for any damn thing . You are not allowed to work for more than 8 hours in a day. If you have a reason to do so (and we Indians always manage to find one), you are adequately compensated. Lay-offs are more lucrative than employment. They eat cooked food there. :rolleyes: and the cities are relatively safe. The only problem is that by the time you get to know the language and really start enjoying things ;) , you get sick of the weather (which is btw better than several other European countries) and leave.

Unless you have all your dear ones near you, India is the best place to live. This is not patriotism related shit. If the employers there stop sucking blood out of employees, I am sure India will be as attractive an option as anything else in the very near future.

[Zorro]

although i am in the US since about 10 yrs, and although the us is the best place in the world to do business, i would still prefer living in india. i feel that the 'land of opportunity' label is now appropriate for india as well. business opportunities in india are plenty and continue to grow, you have your friends and family, early education system is good, weather is good, crime and violence is relatively low in the smaller metro areas, what more do you want?

[vakil sahib]

so, would it be true to say that family, friends and wider community are more important than higher pay, better cars, etc?

[Indian]

Originally posted by vakil sahib
so, would it be true to say that family, friends and wider community are more important than higher pay, better cars, etc?

In india we are now getting almost all kinds of cars.
pay ...u can never get as in US or some other place.
But, now in IT ..people get very good salary according to indian standard of living..which is very sufficient to lead almost a lavish life style.

i have seen IT & Non-IT folks buying 30-40 lakh worth apartments,changing cars , cell phones frequently and notebook computers ..they have all.

aur aaj kal ...bank log peeche pad jate hain ...daily one phone call
Are you looking for a Home Loan sir ?
Are you looking for a Cash Loan sir ?
Are you interested for a Car Loan sir ?
:D
aaj kal ..bahut paisa hain ..india market mein

[echarcha]

India -- first choice
USA -- second choice

If I had lots of money and did not have to wory about making a good living then I would love to enjoy the beautiful New Zealand and Australia or even Jamaica for that matter. I would get to see all the cricket that I want.

[vakil sahib]

Originally posted by echarcha
India -- first choice
USA -- second choice

If I had lots of money and did not have to wory about making a good living then I would love to enjoy the beautiful New Zealand and Australia or even Jamaica for that matter. I would get to see all the cricket that I want.

don't you feel that you'd be bored after a while without your family and wider community around you?
it is this thought that would stop me from going to settle in jamaica or new zealand, no matter how much money i had.

if i had enough money to retire tomorrow i would catch the next plane to india.

[echarcha]

Originally posted by vakil sahib
don't you feel that you'd be bored after a while without your family and wider community around you?
it is this thought that would stop me from going to settle in jamaica or new zealand, no matter how much money i had.

if i had enough money to retire tomorrow i would catch the next plane to india.

Vakil bhai.. I said that my first choice was India!

Now just fantasising further... I would love to settle in the other places I mentioned. Offcourse I am already feeling homesick. I am bored of being here. But khayali pulao pakaney mein kya jaata hain ;)

[tantric_yogi]

Originally posted by vakil sahib
, job availability and security, personal security, the presence or otherwise of an indian community, education, standard of living, democratic practices,etc



Singapore does well.

Vakil Sahib, :D what lurks behind your thoughts and topic? Doubts, uncertainties, wondering if you could have chosen to love and live in another country? What can I say but that the only thing that makes life possibly is permanent intolerable uncertainty!

Right?

Just kidding :) ...

Because I believe, most decisions, possibly all, have already been made on another level. All I can do is go through a reasoning process. To dwell upon and arrive at decisions seems at least redundant. Your topic ... best country to live ... has been one among many such decisions.

Having studied and lived away from home my entire adult life ... I always dreamed of going back to work, live and retire in India. Risked annoyance of my love, I even have a flat in Mumbai. Have not spent a night in this in the past ten years is another story.

As we grow old ... we do change. I could not possibly take more than a week of India. I am not the same person and India is not the same country I left as a young man. To put it bluntly ... India scares the living shit out of me ... unsettles me ... takes me days to recover. I will leave at that so as not to cause offense.

To those among us who still feel hesitant to leave home and country are missing out on some of life’s wonderful experiences. Having lived and loved in different cultures, countries, places and people does provide you with many moments of awe. When I sit in departure lounges at various airports ... I cannot help my thoughts from wandering. In my thoughts, I find myself standing at the doorway ... reviewing the scenes behind me ... inspired with the wonder of the new spaces that I created to play into. Each door I walked through brought me in to a new space of being myself. Leaves me feeling good at myself.

:) Enough bull shit ... all I am trying to say is ... I have no more choices to make ... choices have already been made. I HAVE TO, I
NEED TO ... live where people I LOVE reside. Home is where your love ones are ... Countries don’t matter.

I often meet an old Pakistani during my lunch hours. He works as a doorman at the restaurant. Good Pakistani. His eyes brighten up whenever he speaks of Pakistan. He is happiest weeks before he is going home and saddest for weeks after he returns. He has children here and back home. “Why don’t you just go back to live in country you love?” ... “Yogi Sahib, from the day I arrive in Pakistan ... I start missing my children here!”

Yes ... thats it!

I have reached a stage in life where countries don't matter no more. But, as a young man, untied, I did go around creating these new spaces for myself to play in. Now no more choices.

Kya salla subah subah ko. I need my bloody coffee. Lack of caffeine no good for my thoughts process.

[viking]

I have lived for extended periods of time in the US and in some countries of Europe. After those experiences I dont feel like settling in any of those countries, I will always prefer India. Infact I have been rejecting long term overseas assignments. I will never prefer overseas assignments exceeding a year. I love to be within reachable distances of my family members and I feel that is very important. I will like short term foreign assignments upto 6 odd months, this way I can earn in foreign currencies and get back to India convert the forex into Indian rupees and enjoy!

Raising children here with family is easier than having to raise them with the help of baby sitters etc. It's not just me who should be able to visit family but also they who should be able to visit me whenever they feel like without having to spend too much on airfare and all that what goes along with foreign travel.

I'm speaking for myself and this is my personal opinion. I'm sure many of you will have your own good reasons to stay away from India in other countries.

[Gr8_Hindustani]

My heart says India and my mind says Australia. The place where I would never like to go (not even in dreams) Middle East and Pakistan.

[vakil sahib]

Originally posted by tantric_yogi
Singapore does well.

Vakil Sahib, :D what lurks behind your thoughts and topic? Doubts, uncertainties, wondering if you could have chosen to love and live in another country? What can I say but that the only thing that makes life possibly is permanent intolerable uncertainty!

Right?

Just kidding :) ...



:D no yaar, cooldude posted a thread in which it has been reported in the economist magazine that ireland is the best country to live in - in the world. iceland came in seventh place. so i thought i would find out what the thoughts of indians were. indians who live in india and abroad.

[Budmaas]

in India with Family............ :clap: & no where

[AmthaLal]

when choosing a country to live in i would take into account, amongst other things, job availability and security, personal security, the presence or otherwise of an indian community, education, standard of living, democratic practices,etc




Need to say more?

USA


Presence of Indian community..?

then where else?

India.

[deshpremi]

Top Choice: India, specifically Chandigarh!!

Outside

1st Choice: Singapore or Australia (cant decide between the 2)
2nd Choice: UK
3rd Choice: Brazil
4th Choice: Canada
5th Choice: US

Places I wouldnt want to live in.... ever...

1. Taiwan
2. Japan (I live here currently and travel overseas atleast once a month to retain my sanity)
3. South Africa
4. UAE

All the above rankings are based on personal experiences and visits. Havent seen Scandinavian countries, but heard a lot about them, and it sounds good. Similarly, havent been to places like Uganda or Ghana, so cant say if they are bad...

[vakil sahib]

deshpremibhai, what is it about japan that irks you so?
i would be interested in knowing your views.

[GunsNRoses]

USA
When you become a citizen here, you take this pledge of alleigance and frankly, I'm not the kind of person that goes back on my pledges. Also, I prefer to be a one choice type of person. Sure, there have been some bad things, but She's been good to me in general, and I try to be good to her. Enough said.

[TerminatorJR]

India would be my choice to live in the long term - family, friends....apne desh ki baat hi alag hai.

[tantric_yogi]

Originally posted by GunsNRoses
USA
When you become a citizen here, you take this pledge of alleigance and frankly, I'm not the kind of person that goes back on my pledges. Also, I prefer to be a one choice type of person. Sure, there have been some bad things, but She's been good to me in general, and I try to be good to her. Enough said.

:) I admire you for that. :up: ... You are my kind of man! This site a proof that you possess a quality which is rare among us Indians.

Some of us Indians at this site are pathetic ... pathetic. Sallon ko India mei koyee hire nahi karta ... desh mei bukh marte hei ... salle visa ke liye ghante line mei kahre hokar visa ke liye girgirate hei ... visa milne per mohalle mei laddu bantTe hei ... aate hei ... paissa banana shuru kar dete hei ... do chaar mahine hue nahi ke jis thali mei khate hei ussi mei tatti karna shuru kar dete hei ... paissa banNa shuru hua nahi ke kichad phekna shuru kar diya. These arsoles from among us Indians start bitting very fingers that feed them.

:) I admire you. :) I also admire Sutradarji. Sense of gratitude. Sense of gratitude is this all about, my good friend.

[dhurandhar]

No country.....if you are destined to get screwed you get screwed anywhere.....you can only choose who screws you:D:D

[baapji]

Originally posted by tantric_yogi
Good Pakistani.



:screw:

-B :cool:

[landyaBhai]

India (esp. Bundelkhand) would be my first choice ...
US second, and
Canada (esp. Toronto) third ...

I think after sometime money becomes irrelevant because most of the necessities that can be bought are already stacked up in your home ...

Assuming that one is having something interesting to work, all near 'n' dear ones closer, and the question is abt place

my dream is to live somewhere near natural greenery with a lake nearby for canoeing ...

[dirty]

Not india !

[deshpremi]

kweshchun from the lawyer (vakil babu): deshpremibhai, what is it about japan that irks you so?

Well here are just a few things that piss me off....

1. Language. (they refuse to learn anything but Japanese)
2. Way of working (Japanese are as good, or as bad as robots, fukkin automatons)
3. Too much emphasis on work, the idea is to look busy all the time, even if ur doin jack shit. They dont know how to enjoy life or even take a break.
4. Outdated banking system. I am sure you have heard a lot about Japanese banks in trouble. They were the best in the world in the 80s but are still stuck with a way of working best suited to 1980. Can u believe ATMs close at 6.00 PM!!
5. Lousy social welfare system. Charges are as high as 18% of ur income, and the ministers eat it all, the old men dont get a dime.
6. Food, Japanese food is the pits. I mean u can eat sushi/ sashimi once for the novelty factor of it... but then...
7. Lousy health care system.
8. No/ very less pubic hair on japanese women (what little is there is straight hair, not curly ones like the rest of the world)
9. No tits
10. They dont play cricket or kabbadi.
11. they dont believe in little green aliens.
12. I can carry on about this endlessly....

[tantric_yogi]

Originally posted by deshpremi
[B]Well here are just a few things that piss me off....

Food, Japanese food is the pits. I mean u can eat sushi/ sashimi once for the novelty factor of it... but then... No/ very less pubic hair on japanese women (what little is there is straight hair, not curly ones like the rest of the world) No tits[b]

So what do you eat for nourishment?

Is 18% separate welfare tax besides personal tax? What you complaining for. Idar 48% personal tax + 3% medicare leavy + 10% GST. Adha se jyada goes to pay for welfare of lazy bums and migrants/refugees from mid-east with ten children and one to come. Gaand phatti hai apni.

[deshpremi]

Food has always been an important issue for me. So I learnt to cook at the tender age of 14, courtsey the cook we had in our house, and the time afforded owing to vacations after class 10.

Also, my wife is an exceptionally good cook, especially non veg food.

Now you will say, "why does food in japan bother you". Well, my job involves a lot of client interaction, entertaining key account clients etc etc.: so have to eat out often. Guess what, most of the clients are Japanese, whose idea of a good meal is Sashimi.

And yes its 18% over and above the personal income tax. But one small saving grace, if u have non earning dependent family members living with you in japan, then you get a tax discount. Matlab mere jitni salary agar koi single banda kama raha hai to usko jyada tax dena padega, mereko kam tax lagega kyonki dependent biwi aur baccha hain...

Regarding my knowledge about the hairstyles that japanese women sport down under, well, this isnt exactly the forum to discuss it.... ;)

[tantric_yogi]

Originally posted by deshpremi
Regarding my knowledge about the hairstyles that japanese women sport down under, well, this isnt exactly the forum to discuss it.... ;)

Beauty parlor mei curler vurlers nahi lagate kya?

You dont have to fall in love with the place or the people since you are there just to make money. I think it is 10 years to become a resident? I have yet to meet an Indian who holds citizenship. They need cheap labor and yet recently deported thousands of illegal workers including many Indians!

You are right ... too much of good thing. I do miss Kamameshi rice cooked in clay pots, filled with all sort of sea food ... YUM! I have no idea why restaurants outside Japan cannot offer it on their menu. Nowhere else but in Japan.

[vakil sahib]

Originally posted by tantric_yogi
You dont have to fall in love with the place or the people since you are there just to make money. I think it is 10 years to become a resident? I have yet to meet an Indian who holds citizenship. They need cheap labor and yet recently deported thousands of illegal workers including many Indians!


tantubhai, i beg to disagree. you are not there just to make money. you are there to lead your life as well. it is a part of health, wealth and well being to fall in love with a place and the people. otherwise you can have a miserable life even though you are making money.
i would hate to be in a place i disliked even though i was making money.
are there any echarchans in this position? making money but unhappy where they are?:(

[kingfisher]

1. USA
2. India (with less population) :)

Not been to other countries, but I do love nature so probably Switzerland might be one more place of my liking.

Baaki apunko achha naukri aur paisa to USA nech diya abhi india mein ghar baith ke makkhi maarna padta hai .

Actually any country that offers good standard of living, freedom , easy immigration, and beautiful natural beauty will be good.

[dhurandhar]

Originally posted by vakil sahib

are there any echarchans in this position? making money but unhappy where they are?:(

My dear 'kil pai...you haven't been paying attention to recent posts, have you:D

Please refer to the thread titled "Not so zen":D

[vakil sahib]

Originally posted by dhurandhar
My dear 'kil pai...you haven't been paying attention to recent posts, have you:D

Please refer to the thread titled "Not so zen":D

are bhai, i read that thread. i think that was zen bhai letting off steam rather than making a more fundamental statement about being unhappy in his chosen country. i think he was just having a b1tch:D

[tantric_yogi]

Originally posted by vakil sahib
are there any echarchans in this position? making money but unhappy where they are?:(

:D @ Dhurunder! Vakil Vabu echarcha par ghum aao jara. Sabh malum par javego.


Originally posted by vakil sahib
tantubhai, i beg to disagree. you are not there just to make money. you are there to lead your life as well. it is a part of health, wealth and well being to fall in love with a place and the people. otherwise you can have a miserable life even though you are making money.
i would hate to be in a place i disliked even though i was making money.

:) Vakilbhai Sahebji, Desi will have last word since I have never lived or worked in Japan but unlike western countries Japan is one of the many Asian countries which try and make it almost impossible for migrating guest workers to become residents/citizens or part of the society, not to mention the fact that with this reply Tantric Yogi has just succeeded in typing a reply of one single longest sentence, bound to remain a record in the anals of echarcha.com archives as a proof of Dhongee’s mastery at things immaterial!

[tantric_yogi]

Originally posted by baapji
:screw:

-B :cool:

BhaYa kidar? Aate nahi is taraph?

Pakistanis and Indians mei yeh ek difference. Pakistani ko full suit pahnaya, tie lagaya, shoe polish diya ... lekin phir bi salla voh rahega voh hee apna Pakistani. Value mei pharak nahi parta.

Lekin Hum Indian log ko full suit do, tie lagao, shoe polish do ... transformation ... hum sabh log khud ko Salmon Khan ka baap samajhna shuru kar dete hei. Bhav bar jatta hai.

Iske pahle ek Yindian darwaja kholta tha. Salla kya bhav khata tha. Apun do char Indians regulars. Jis din salle ko confirmation hua ke apun log uska fellow countrymen ... salle ne bhav khana shuru kar diya. Safed log ko darwaja khole hum ko dekh salla face banaye. Complain kya Greek owner ko. Kissi ke pet per laat marna humein kataii gawada nahi lekin customers to customers hote hei bhai ... phir safed ho ya Indian!

[deshpremi]

Firstly, Japanese dont consider themselves to be asians (beats me why they think this way)

Language wise, Japanese is a pain in the arse for the first 2-3 years, but u eventually learn to speak a fair bit, reading and writing is tough unless u go in for formal classes etc in Japanese language.

Historically, japan has always been isolated from the rest of the world, geographically and culturally, which in turn led them to develop a very introverted outlook to life, wherein they consider themselves to be elite/ of higher breeding than all other ethnic groups, add to this the fact that their language promotes isolation and that their economic success in the past 4 decades reconfirmed their belief in their superiority, all the above led to Japan and Japanese being what they are today, namely self centered bunch of buffoons living in their past glory and not realisisng that China and South Korea are eating away the advantage on which Japan had built its economy, which was primarily a production economy. AND WITH THAT I HOPE TO HAVE BEATEN YOGIJI's LONG SENTENCE MONOPOLY!!! Whew....!!

[dhurandhar]

Originally posted by deshpremi
Well here are just a few things that piss me off....

...............
12. I can carry on about this endlessly....

If you would be so kind, would you please let me know whether Japanese people smell (body odor) just as same as Chinese or Koreans...? In USA, the people of Japanese ethnicity smell the same as Chinese or Koreans....wonder what it is like there

You might find this strange and funny.....I have developed the ability to tell person's ethnicity (in a larger way) if I can get the scent of his body odor....:D. For e.g. I can easily distinguish between an Iranian and Arab, or Russian and German or German and Brit:D

If you never smelled a chinese or korean you can just ignore my question....

[deshpremi]

As far as Bad breath is concerned, majority of Japanese have the same problem as majority of chinese, dont know about koreans.

Regarding body odour, smell of the armpits, or smell of their socks/ underwear, I apologise that I am underqualified to comment on the same , as I make it a point to maintain a certain physical distance from other fellow humans.. which keeps me out of their smelly halo. In cases where maintaining this distance is not possible (like in the subway) I have detected a strong smoky/ tobbaco odour on most japanese, owing to the fact that a majority of them are heavy smokers.

Rahi baat Japani kanyaaon ki, they generally smell nice, when they know that intimacy is inevitable during the course of interaction....

[tantric_yogi]

Dhurunderbhai, odor is what we eat ... noh? Korean and Japanese will be at the top of my list of women who always smell fresh and clean. I think they are particular about body odors and hygiene. I don't know about men :D ...


I find Japanese a frustration. Communication is difficult ... I am not speaking verbal. They are very protective of their private space and bloody never seem to take their masks off. I am sure things are different with younger generation of teenagers. Japanese women do like foreigners for their ability to express emotions.

A phriend emailed me following istoary. He wrote ... "This happened few years ago. We have just had a nice dinner with a young Japanese couple ... refined, educated professional couple. While having coffee, in mood to relax, I very casually and unintentionally leaned my shoulder and right arm toward the wife sitting on my right. My arm and hand were still very much on the table but close to Japanese wife. Pleasant conversation continued ... but suddenly husband became aggressive with his hands. He started pushing cutlery, sugar and milk containers towards me ... I was sitting opposite of him. I was too bloody relaxed to notice but my wife did ... thank God. She had to kick me hard under the table to make me realize that I was invading what to husband was HIS private space."

[deshpremi]

Ab agar kabhi Japan aao to mereko PM maar dena, milte hain.

[BKN]

Originally posted by deshpremi
As far as Bad breath is concerned, majority of Japanese have the same problem as majority of chinese, dont know about koreans.

Regarding body odour, smell of the armpits, or smell of their socks/ underwear, I apologise that I am underqualified to comment on the same , as I make it a point to maintain a certain physical distance from other fellow humans.. which keeps me out of their smelly halo. In cases where maintaining this distance is not possible (like in the subway) I have detected a strong smoky/ tobbaco odour on most japanese, owing to the fact that a majority of them are heavy smokers.

Rahi baat Japani kanyaaon ki, they generally smell nice, when they know that intimacy is inevitable during the course of interaction....

Bhaiyye ye haal to desioyon ka bhi hai..they smell bad...and even don;t want to correct it, Almost all the americans and Europeans complain about this directly or indirectly...

saal jitne desi recruit huye kam se kam 3-4 saal lag gaye unko sudharne me...
India me thik hai itna pollution ha to sabhi ek jaise ...

[tantric_yogi]

Originally posted by BKN
Bhaiyye ye haal to desioyon ka bhi hai..they smell bad...and even don;t want to correct it,

I disagree strongly. I cannot think of an Indian going out in the morning without taking a shower ... highly unlikely. We Hindus are not even allowed to step inside a temple or cleanse our soul without having cleansed our body phirsht.

Praablemwa is our diet ... spices. Our spiced food is recommended to spice up ones sex liphe but makes intimate contact unbearable. Shit. Salla kaissa kaissa praablem duniya mei.

Setting foot inside Indian restaurant means having to send entire set of attire to dry cleaners ... without exception. An Indian friend of mine, because he works and tends to stay in close physical proximity with people of different origins ... avoids Indian food entire working week as well as Sunday evenings.



:) Premi Sahib, I am honored. Thanks and I mean it. Although I am not sure if :D Yogi Dhongi is worthy of your affection and stature. Sahib, Yogi is a nalayak, tuch, ghatiya kissam ko insaan. Just kidding. Dekhenge bhaYa. Kismat mei likha hoga to.

[vakil sahib]

the chinese have a really pungent smell. yes, we are what we eat. i think it's all the pork they eat coming out of their pores:D
the japanese and koreans have a similar, but not identical, smell.

but we are programmed genetically to like the smell of people who are genetically similar to us, are we not? i wonder what they think we smell like:(

[dhurandhar]

Originally posted by vakil sahib
the chinese have a really pungent smell. yes, we are what we eat. i think it's all the pork they eat coming out of their pores:D
the japanese and koreans have a similar, but not identical, smell.

but we are programmed genetically to like the smell of people who are genetically similar to us, are we not? i wonder what they think we smell like:(

I respectfully beg to disagree with you and others who think we smell just based on what we eat:D

To an extent it is true, but I have experienced that it has more to do with our genetic makeup.

For e.g. I had a Chinese room mate once upon a time ... paid him to make food for me for a change....used to eat what he used to eat and even changed my habits to match his (for about 10 days)....still did not smell like him...because if I were to smell like him...I would not have found his body odor typical chinese (horrible)....so concluded that it must have to do with the genetic configuration of our bodies.

I could be wrong (subjective) and what i know holds true for me only

[tantric_yogi]

:D

Chinese refer to Indians as MOLOCHA or Monkeys. Malay word for us Indian is something like CEBUYAS or onion smell.

:) In one of his books ... Krishnamurthi wrote something of this sort ... "One should abandon or put aside all prejudices ... when we are in a receptive state of mind, we can easily understand each other ... But, unfortuately, most of us see each other through a screen of resistance. We are screened with prejudices, whether religious or spiritual, psychological or scientific; or, with daily worries, desires and fears. And with these fears for a screen, we see each other. Therefoer, we see our own prejudices, hear our own noise, our own sound, not to what is being presented to us or what is being said."

[vakil sahib]

tantubhai, i completely disagree. this has nothing to do with prejudice. it is a universal truism that the chinese smell like tatti:D
and if this is to with genetics then their genes are full of sh1t too:smash:

[tantric_yogi]

Originally posted by vakil sahib
tantubhai, i completely disagree. this has nothing to do with prejudice. it is a universal truism that the chinese smell like tatti:D
and if this is to with genetics then their genes are full of sh1t too:smash:

I am glad you disagree with me. I have no choice but to agree with you completely and unequivocally. You must know. I am no expert when it comes to things related to tattis and body odors.

:) Vakil Sahib, I will let you have the last word. You win.





:D @ Vakilbhai.

[landyaBhai]

Originally posted by tantric_yogi
:D

In one of his books ... Krishnamurthi wrote something of this sort ... "One should abandon or put aside all prejudices ... when we are in a receptive state of mind, we can easily understand each other ... But, unfortuately, most of us see each other through a screen of resistance. We are screened with prejudices, whether religious or spiritual, psychological or scientific; or, with daily worries, desires and fears. And with these fears for a screen, we see each other. Therefoer, we see our own prejudices, hear our own noise, our own sound, not to what is being presented to us or what is being said."

tantu, seems to me as a good book ... Please provide details: title, ISBN, edition et. al.

[tantric_yogi]

Originally posted by landyaBhai
tantu, seems to me as a good book ... Please provide details: title, ISBN, edition et. al.

LOL :)

I am no follower of his. He is regarded a great man and I believe he is. His theology and philosophy goes over my head. Heavy. Too heavy for a certified LLKC. I just inserted Krishnamurthy in my reply to Vakil Sahib thinking he will better appreciate if I credited the quote to a great thinker. It did not work. :D

Wait a moment ... I am not taking credit for this quote either. I am sure many others have said so or something to this effect.

Good weekend to all.

[UMA]

USA is the best country in the world. This is a land of freedom, opportunity and plenty.

Capitalism rules

[deshpremi]

Rather than discussing where one wants to live, not live, we have gone into the nitty gritty of oriental odours.

Lets get back to where one would want to live. OK, I will explain my first choice and why (India, esp. Chandigarh)

1. Thats where I was born !
2. Well do I have to give any other reason?
3. OK, its one of the cleanest, friendliest, well planned cities in India, which not only means in the physical sense, but also in terms of infrastructure, thereby virtually eliminating traffic jams, power cuts, water shortages!
4. Amazing weather.
5. Lots of interesting places all around, to go for a 1-2 day break to recharge ones batteries.


PS. this is for Yogi Ji: From your knowledge of the orient (words like MOLOCHA) I think you have spent a considerable time, in this part of the world, my guess is Hong Kong. Lemme know if I guessed correctly.

[vakil sahib]

deshpremi bhai, do you think you will spend the rest of your life abroad or will you return to india eventually?
i think this is a question that plagues most NRIs at one time or the other.

i don't know whether i can settle in india. i have never lived in india properly. nevertheless there is a pull from india that tugs at me sometimes.

tantubhai, do you think it is possible to resettle in india after decades abroad?

[JustaGuy]

Anywhere but INDIA, Pakistan and the likes.

[deshpremi]

Will I return to India?

Yes and No

Yes: I am in the process of setting up a development/ back office support center in India for our company, and being the head honcho of IT in the company, as well as an Indian, I by default end up managing that show. So I will be spending atleast 50% of my time in India.

No: Technically I still stay based either in Japan or Singapore, as the company ke bade sahab decides.

Ab hamari dharam patni ko samajh nahi aa raha hai if she wants to set up base in India or overseas. We have a small kid too, so soon education would become the deciding criteria.... chances of a base in India (only Chandigarh is being considered) are high, if I am to be attached to the Japan office of the company... lekin agar Singapore bhej diya, then the equation changes.

[dhurandhar]

Originally posted by vakil sahib
deshpremi bhai, do you think you will spend the rest of your life abroad or will you return to india eventually?
i think this is a question that plagues most NRIs at one time or the other.

i don't know whether i can settle in india. i have never lived in india properly. nevertheless there is a pull from india that tugs at me sometimes.

tantubhai, do you think it is possible to resettle in india after decades abroad?

'kil pai
unless you have passed 50 years (age) and just want to pass the rest of life helping the folks in India (charity organizations/schools/hospital etc)....don't even think about it.

IMHO

[tantric_yogi]

No.

No way. I have to be where my loved ones are. But let me tell you, Vakil Sahib ... there is no pleasure greater than sitting down with childhood friends and relatives ... speaking in mother tongue ... laughing at same jokes again and again.

Back home ... there still is no running water or regular supply of electricity. Nearest government installed water pump is couple of miles away. You call city for a tank full of water which costs a fortune if you consider local economy.

Food ... big problem. I am non-veg ... rest are all pure veg. I cannot digest nomore food I grew up on.

Getting everyone to the city to watch movies was an excuse for me to slip out and have some decent non-veg at nearest restaurant.

Still ... home is where your loved ones are. I could not stay in India longer than a week the most. Due to some personal reason I was forced to go back home twice in the past few months ... hated every moment of it.

[deshpremi]

Aisi kaunsi baat keh di maine jo delete karne ki naubat aa gayi bhiayya?

Travel to Europe and India....... travelling from where???? Australia/ NZ se?

[dhurandhar]

Aisi kaunsi baat keh di maine jo delete karne ki naubat aa gayi bhiayya?

Travel to Europe and India....... travelling from where???? Australia/ NZ se?

what are you talking about.... :confused::D

[echarcha]

This is an old thread, but as time has passed by I think I have the following choices for me
1) Live and work in USA
2) Retire in India

[max de Indiana]

pehli pasand...Bharat

dusari pasand..Germany(or switzerland...as both county has very similar life)

the only problem in Germany is ..very difficult to sponsor parents..
. :D

[Guy4mheaven]

i would like to stay in india there is no other place like home. i am out of country since 3 years only but went to home 3 times in this period and when ever i go back home i dont feel like coming back to Riyadh. Its not that Riyadh is a bad place but nothing is better then our home country and home town.

[yrpude]

Bangaladesh

fking is very very cheap there:shoot: :shoot: :shoot:

[Soorma Bhopali]

Singapore for me ..it's 2 gud :)

I am working towards it

[Satan]

first choice: pukistan for a few years.
Secod choice: India ( After I blow pukistan up with a nuke that is )

...sorry boss...cudnt resist some puki bashing :)

[Suryavanshi]

I second cha pai's choice of living in New Zealand....no 'too many people', no 'mach mach', no 'crime'.....just have some cheese & loads of fun.


To work..I would prefer living in India or Japan at this point of time.

Those are two countries I have worked in...and am currently working in Taiwan.

[GunsNRoses]

I actually posted my choice in page 2 of this thread. I still haven't changed my mind. It's always the good ol' US of A for me --- home of the free, land of the brave.

[echarcha]

I actually posted my choice in page 2 of this thread. I still haven't changed my mind. It's always the good ol' US of A for me --- home of the free, land of the brave.

For me -
1) Live and work in USA
2) Retire in India
3) Vacation in New Zealand/ Australia - especially during cricket series
4) Beach side lazing in West Indies or Bahamas
5) Take a dump in Europe :D

[dirty]

USA USA USA



YE ho cjuka hai




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