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desinetcharge
November 13th, 2002, 07:07 AM
Shoaib guilty of ball-tampering


Shoaib is the world's fastest bowler

Pakistan fast bowler Shoaib Akhtar has been found guilty of ball-tampering in the first Test against Zimbabwe.
Match referee Clive Lloyd said the umpires had reported the matter to him and there was agreement that Shoaib had changed the condition of the ball illegally.

The match ended in a 119-run victory for Pakistan on Tuesday with a day to spare, with Shoaib taking seven wickets in the match.

"The umpires and I inspected the ball and it was clear to us that it had been scratched," Lloyd said.


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Shoaib received a severe reprimand but no further action is to be taken.

The announcement followed a disciplinary hearing at the Harare Sports Club on Tuesday evening.

Shoaib attended the hearing, along with tour manager Brigadier Khawaja Nasir and Pakistan captain Waqar Younis.


Law 42.3b
It is unfair for anyone to interfere with any of the seams or the surface of the ball
The Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) is to wait for a complete manager's report before deciding on further action.

"We think the bowler committed a mistake and has been reprimanded," PCB spokesman Samiul Hasan told BBC Sport Online.

"We have reason to believe that the offence was of minor magnitude because history suggests that players involved in ball-tampering have been severely punished."

Waqar is the only player ever to have received a ban for ball-tampering.

He was given a one-match suspension two years ago after he was seen on television lifting the seam during a one-day international against South Africa in Sri Lanka.

Allrounder Azhar Mahmood was also fined 50% of his match fee for a similar offence.


Waqar was suspended for a match two years ago

Shoaib has been twice in the past been reported for an illegal bowling action, although he was cleared on both occasions by the ICC.

But Hasan denied that the episode would further tarnish the image of Pakistan's bowlers.

"We don't think the image of Pakistan's bowlers will be tarnished on this," he said.

"If someone breaks a rule he is punished and Shoaib has been reprimanded only."


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Law 42.3b states it is "unfair for anyone to rub the ball on the ground for any reason, or interfere with any of the seams or the surface of the ball."

It is also illegal to "use any implement, or take any other action whatsoever which is likely to alter the condition of the ball."

"The board would be interested to know whether the ball that is alleged to have been tampered with was replaced," Hasan added.

"[And] whether it was scratched or lost its shape due to hitting the iron fence on several occasions."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/cricket/2458639.stm

videsee
November 13th, 2002, 07:09 AM
YAWN! Whats new? All Pakis are cheaters...........ALL OF THEM!

Napolean
November 13th, 2002, 07:11 AM
Originally posted by videsee
YAWN! Whats new? All Pakis are cheaters...........ALL OF THEM!
arre Vid pai...do not be so harsh on them ...Pakistan has produced great cricketers like Akram,Younis,Imran etc....
:)

nayasavera
November 13th, 2002, 07:15 AM
i say ball tampering shud be legalized.. fast bowlers have been doing this for ages now.. those inswinging yorkers add to the interest in the game

videsee
November 13th, 2002, 07:40 AM
Originally posted by Napolean
arre Vid pai...do not be so harsh on them ...Pakistan has produced great cricketers like Akram,Younis,Imran etc....
:)

Hehehehe;)

Napolean
November 13th, 2002, 07:47 AM
Originally posted by videsee
Hehehehe;)

:confused: is there something I have missed...
maybe some discussion in some other thread?

videsee
November 13th, 2002, 07:49 AM
Yaar Napoleon tum bahuth serious ho jaathey ho mere dost!:D

Apun thoda puki bhadaas nikaal rela tha ......kya?;) :D

Napolean
November 13th, 2002, 08:04 AM
Originally posted by videsee
Yaar Napoleon tum bahuth serious ho jaathey ho mere dost!:D

Apun thoda puki bhadaas nikaal rela tha ......kya?;) :D
okay :D
I like very few things about Pakistan ....their cricket comes in those very few things...

Big-G
November 13th, 2002, 08:11 AM
This guy is a great bowler and I love his action. Magar shakal se saala bohot hi kameena dikhta hai..... ekdum ghatiya kism ka kameena.

nydood
November 13th, 2002, 08:47 AM
Originally posted by Big-G
This guy is a great bowler and I love his action. Magar shakal se saala bohot hi kameena dikhta hai..... ekdum ghatiya kism ka kameena.
Kya baat kar raha hai yaar? Jab hum miley they tab maine bola tha na ki teri shakal kisise milti hai? Shoaib se teri shakal bahut milti hai :D
heh heh... kidding

Big-G
November 13th, 2002, 08:48 AM
bohot bada kameena hai tu...

Tera surname Akhtar toh nahin hai be??

nydood
November 13th, 2002, 08:49 AM
nahi re, lekin tere humshakal ka hai :D:D

GpeL
November 13th, 2002, 09:29 AM
Whose balls did he tamper with?

nydood
November 13th, 2002, 09:32 AM
Originally posted by GpeL
Whose balls did he tamper with?
My guess would be Wasim Akram's
http://www.echarcha.com/forum/showthread.php?threadid=11359

echarcha
November 13th, 2002, 10:31 AM
:yawn: :rolleyes:

What's new?? Does it even matter if Pakistan team plays cricket.. especially in light of recent refusals by many teams like Australia, etc not willing to go to Pakistan to play for safety reasons... :yawn:

BlrBoy
November 13th, 2002, 10:37 AM
Lopsided application of rules
Now isn't this peculiar!

Two international umpires of the ICC's elite panel find a player guilty -- GUILTY -- of ball tampering. An ICC match referee reviews the evidence, finds the ball's character has been altered, and upholds the charge.

The result? The player in question is let off with a 'severe reprimand'.

The one reason, more than any other, that gets the ICC condemned is lopsided application of its own rules -- and this is a prime example. It was not so long ago that another ICC match referee, Mike Denness, lined up and figuratively shot half the Indian side for an assortment of sins.

That wholesale slaughter also accounted for Sachin Tendulkar, on the charge of ball tampering. This, despite the fact that neither umpire doing duty at the time found anything wrong with the ball; this, despite the fact that a post-match inspection of the ball found nothing wrong with it; this, despite the fact that no review of the evidence proved that Tendulkar was guilty as charged.

Then, sans evidence, an international cricketer was punished; today, despite the evidence, another international cricketer is let off with a reprimand.

Doesn't the cricket world deserve some consistency from its governing body? Don't we deserve an explanation?

http://www.rediff.com/cricket/2002/nov/13quick.htm

Charchila
November 13th, 2002, 02:57 PM
Originally posted by nayasavera
i say ball tampering shud be legalized.. fast bowlers have been doing this for ages now.. those inswinging yorkers add to the interest in the game

It shouldn't be. It's unfair to the batsmen... then they too should have something like no LBW when facing a fast bowler or something...

Ball tampering is cheating and against the spirit of the sport. All found guilty should be punished. And this is not the first time for Akhtar... so I wouldn't mind even if he's banned.

Napolean
November 13th, 2002, 07:48 PM
Originally posted by GpeL
Whose balls did he tamper with?
first thing today morning to make me laugh :D

nayasavera
November 14th, 2002, 05:45 AM
Originally posted by Charchila
It shouldn't be. It's unfair to the batsmen... then they too should have something like no LBW when facing a fast bowler or something...

Ball tampering is cheating and against the spirit of the sport. All found guilty should be punished. And this is not the first time for Akhtar... so I wouldn't mind even if he's banned.

some kind of ball tampering is already legal.. what is shining the ball ? u apply sweat or saliva and rub the ball to shine one surfce.. now this is accepted.. but if someone lifts the seem a little and gets that amazing inswing then it is illegal.. it takes skills to swing the ball even after tampering it.. only tendulkar is capable of doing that among indians.. this sounds funny but that guy can get the ball to swing a lot.. and v have all the cameras and monitoring only for a few years.. people have been doing this for many years but didnt get caught because they were not monitored so closely.. so why shud v handicap the present day bowlers

and i think the rules r already too much in favour of the batsmen.. so v shud give this one to the bowlers..

Charchila
November 14th, 2002, 08:46 AM
Originally posted by nayasavera
some kind of ball tampering is already legal.. what is shining the ball ? u apply sweat or saliva and rub the ball to shine one surfce.. now this is accepted.. but if someone lifts the seem a little and gets that amazing inswing then it is illegal.. it takes skills to swing the ball even after tampering it.. only tendulkar is capable of doing that among indians.. this sounds funny but that guy can get the ball to swing a lot.. and v have all the cameras and monitoring only for a few years.. people have been doing this for many years but didnt get caught because they were not monitored so closely.. so why shud v handicap the present day bowlers

and i think the rules r already too much in favour of the batsmen.. so v shud give this one to the bowlers..

Shining the ball is ok for a couple of reasons, I think. First is that shining (w/sweat or saliva + rubbing) is traditional and has been practiced for ever... and second, shining alone does not alter the shape of the ball. Like you said, it takes skills to swing the ball... and if you have the skills, you can do that without messing with the shape of the ball as well.

And it's a different story that bowlers were not caught earlier due to lack of technology. But what can we do about it? Now that we have the technology available to monitor these things... use it to keep the game fair for all. Its like NFL... they were given an option to review a play only a couple of years ago if I am right; before that, the referees probably made wrong calls. They can't do anything about the wrong calls they may have made years ago and those receivers still got credit for the yards they (unsuccessfully) completed.

I think it's better that the rules protect the batsmen. If the bowler has skills, he'll get the wickets without tampering with the ball. It may not be the good thing, but at least its fair. Wouldn't it be unfair to Walsh who could've gotten 600 wickets if he were allowed to lift the seam and stuff? I think so.