Why Indian Muslims are against India?

[Shringarey]

Friends,

There vis a general feeling that Indian Muslims hate India. To some extent that is true. There are times when my blood begins to boil when I think about India. I list down our problems here.

1. 50% of all seats are reserved for lower caste. ALL lower castes are Hindus - no muslim (except Ansaris which are negligible). So hard working Muslims lose advantages. Why? The reason is because upper castes screwed lower castes. Fine. But Muslims had no caste structure - no untoucability - Hindus had it. Should we be punished for that? It is like a man in a car knocks down someone and that someone (victim) is paid from a passer-by's money. We are losing out horribly folks for a problem created by HINDU ancestors. That is jeopardy.

2. Because of reservation, a doctrine has gone around of "rectification of past wrongs". The RSS has used that excuse to break down Babri Masjid. You cannot stop them. Either both the actions (Reservation and Breaking of Babri Masjid) are both right or both wrong. If you accept reservation you have to accept breaking down of Babri Masjid as both are "rectification of past wrongs". So because your ancestors practised caste system, our Masjid is broken. That is double jeopardy.

3. Most of the reserved areas in Parliament have a sizeable Muslim population (past converts). But because only Dalits can stand there, Muslims are screwed - no representation. Of a population of 14% we have only 6% representation. So because your ancestors ****ed Dalits, we pay. Is it fair? That is triple jeopardy.

4. A lot of land was owned by Muslims, as a lot of rulers were Muslims. That was confiscated from them and given to Hindus. Why? According to the principle of "greates good for the greatest number". Fine. But when lumberjacks (a traditional Muslim occupation) try to settle on tribal lands they are debarred. If you see tribal land and tribal population, the tribals own nearly 25,000 (yes 25,000) acres each!! They are poor because they are moronic - not our fault. Can you imagine how many lumberjack farmers (each with say 5 acres) it would suuport? But not allowed. What has happenned to the principle of "greatest good for greatest number?" Tribals (mostly Hindus) are holy cow!! That is quartuple jeopardy

5. With women's reservation bill, Muslims are screwed even further. Every one has special rights - Dalits, Tribals, OBCs, Defense, Workers, Tenants, Hunters, etc. But who pays for those rights? Upper caste Hindus and Muslims. Why should we pay for problems created by yoiur ancestors? That is pentuple jeopardy.


I can go on and on. That Ambedkar fella, who was nothing but a tool of the Hindu Mahasabha (now RSS) has ****ed us royally.


See our point?

Shring.

[jay]

The policy of reservation hurts different people in different ways, the solution is not by getting reservation for the unreserved but that if reservation is brought in, it is not to be on caste or religious lines. I feel the whole process of reservation itself has to die.

I don't know of confiscating of land from muslims and giving it to tribals if you can be more elaborate with the reasons for confiscating the land. But I do know of one place where any outsider specifically hindus are not allowed to purchase land and settle, Kashmir. That was for protecting the owners of the land who were mostly muslims. Now that has become a problem in itself due to religious disparity in the border state.

As regards Babri Masjid, it is a political issue and politics does a lot of stupid things just to gain popularity. Not only muslims but a vast majority of people of all religions share the same feelings that you have.

[aryaputra]

Hate to say this Shringarey, but his is exactly one of the thing that I have been saying about converts.

Converts are nothing but pot without a bottom.

They were low castes before conversion. They got converted because they wanted to get rid of low caste sticker.

But now the low castes are bieng benefitted, they are once again feeling the pain - and maybe trying to revive their old status to gain advantage of reservation policy.

can't make up their minds? Right.

as regards to shelling out money to support the reservation program, everyone who is contributing is feeling the pain, not only muslims. I guess it comes with the territory - that of being an Indian citizen, you have to play by the rules of a Hindu dominated country.

can't help it.

[Shringarey]

Friends,

There is a tendency to judge all Muslims from the behavious of Pakistan. I can assure you that Pakistan is unique and you cannot judge Muslims based on Pakistani behaviour. Look at Muslims round the world - Indonesia, Turkey, Malasia. Very peaceloving and gentle souls.

The way Pakistan behaves with every one is a Pakistani problem and not a Muslim one. They behave that way not just with India - with every one. Pakistanis have never had any great king to speak of. This has given them a deep inferiority complex. So they have 'usurped' other peoples Kings. They have been told that Indian emperors like Aurangzeb and Akbar were Pakis! That Afghans like Mohammed Ghori were Pakis. That Turks like Suliemaan were Pakis !! They are told that they descendede from Afghans, then Moghuls, then Turks, then laneys!! Result? They neither feel Moghul, nor Afghan, nor Turkish - they only feel confused. As Prof. Thodore Redkins (Ted the Red) says, "Pakistan often exibits the symptoms of an early case of MPD (Multiple Personality Disorder)"

Deep inside, a Paki knows that in any physical conflict, they cannot withstand any of its neighbors. Forget giants like India or China, but even Afghanistan and Turkmenistan can overcome them in 24 hrs. They are enjoying the air of independence at the pleasure of their neighbors. Added to this is the fact that in its several centuries of civilization they have never produced a single scientist, a single litterateur, dramatist, law-giver, etc. This has caused a deep-seated inferiority complex in a Paki's heart.

Their entire economy is based on the good-will and brown-nosing of the Arabs and the US. When any Paki big-gun goes and gets a few hundred million dollar grant by boot-shining, he is given a heroes welcome at home - for giving an impoverished nation a few months' retrieve. But deep inside, a Paki heart rebels. He is hence always aggressive.

Friends, please don't judge Pakis harshly. They are but the victim of their circumstances. If you had no great king in 5000 years, no Saint, no Scientist, Literatteur, etc. If you enjoyed freedom based on the goodwill of your neighbors, and ate your meals on the crumbs thrown by contemptuous foreigners - you would feel the same way too. We must show compassion and understanding - not hatred!!

And please dont judge Muslims based on the behavior of Pak. Look around at the prod Arabs, adventurous Turks, hard working Indonesians, the sturdy Malays and see what Muslims are!!!


Shring



Deep

[smellyfinger]

Shring,

As usual , a good post. Who is "deep" , though ??

[Shringarey]

Smelly,

I dunno how it came there. Sorry


Shring

[padhu]

I know quite a few people benefitted from the reservation system which were meant for sc/st/nt.

Problem was that none of these guys who i knew in collge were from either category. They just paid some money to the municipality office and got some stuff changed on their birth certificate and they were in.

The things was that we slogged our butts off trying to get a good percentage to get into the collge and these morons who failed in the very first year of entrance didnt even belong in there but got in becuase of that big stamp of scheduled cast.

I belive that this is pathetic and totally demolarizing for any student or whoever who does his best to get anywhere and somebody else takes it away just becuase they are of a so called caste.

I think this whole reservation things is being used in a way that it wasnt meant for. There was a time when people needed it and now the time has long gone. This should be dropped and everyone should have equal rights. But that is my attitude.....as long as this episode milks our touts votes at the , this episode is not going to end anytime soon.

[viking]

Shringarey you write very well and all you say is facts so there is no dispute at all.

But one thing for sure is not all Muslims are like you.You form the negligible percentage of educated patriotic Muslims.No one has any grudges agains you.

Just wish that India had more Muslims like you.If that had been the case the issue of Babri Masjid would not have any takers at all!

[gandesh]

that was a nice post shring... kudos to u... :) ... no one hates muslims like u... its the traitors we want to fu*k.... :)

[aurangzeb]

Muslims are gainst India because Inian Hindus have cheated them.They are illtreated there.Look at Kashmir innocent women are raped there everyday.Those Indian dogs there enter into the houses at will and loot people.Is this the way innocent people are treated?

Babri Masjid was destroyed.There is someone called Baal Thakaar who kills muslims and takes pride in that.
He burns the holy Koran in daylight.Then the Hindu party which rules your country wants to chane the constitution and dosplace the innocent Muslim poulation.

Quite frankly the Muslims of India should stage an armed uprising.The Hindu infidels will be no match for the Muslim fists of fury.

The situtation is going to come soon.The entire Muslim world will stand united behind the poor Muslims of India.
We have done it before we will do it again.

NAZAR E TAQDEER ALLAH 'O' AKBAR

[gandesh]

Originally posted by aurangzeb
Muslims are >>gainst<< India because >>Inian<< Hindus have cheated them.They are >>illtreated<< there.Look at Kashmir innocent women are raped there everyday.Those Indian dogs there enter into the houses at will and loot people.Is this the way innocent people are treated?

Babri Masjid was destroyed.There is someone called >>Baal Thakaar<< who kills muslims and takes pride in that.
He burns the holy Koran in daylight.Then the Hindu party which rules your country wants to >>chane<< the constitution and >>dosplace<< the innocent Muslim >>poulation<<.

Quite frankly the Muslims of India should stage an armed uprising.The Hindu infidels will be no match for the Muslim fists of fury.

The >>situtation<< is going to come soon.The entire Muslim world will stand united behind the poor Muslims of India.
We have done it before we will do it again.

NAZAR E TAQDEER ALLAH 'O' AKBAR

hahahahahahahaha.... what do the words "gainst", "inian" (who is that?), "illtreated", "dosplace", "poulation", "situtation" mean?? lol :D

who is baal thakkar? he burns koran in daylight? when? did he? rofl... :D

one thing angu indian muslims are better educated than their paki counterparts n write better english n have a larger perspective of the world... now go n get an education u bastard.... :D

"NAZAR E TAQDEER ALLAH 'O' AKBAR" <- i hope u spelt that correctly... lol.... :D

[aurangzeb]

The inevitale will happen Islamic forces will come to the resuce of their blood brothers.They will get their Aaazadi.Kashmir and all Muslim majority areas of India will be free.

Allah Hafiz

[Xandu]

look asshole aurangzeb,

try to learn from your brethren like Shringarey and SimpleHuman. they make sense whenever they talk. they are Muslims, not you. you are barbarians wearing the skin of a Muslim. Islam does not need you, you need Islam to survive and it is your last hope that even more vicious animals from the northwest frontier dont come and eat you up. :p

>>"inevitale"<< pehle angrajee sudhar le phir bak bak karna yahan par... Mughal Raj my ass.

X

[Shringarey]

Aurangzeb,

Bravo!! I feel happy when you say that Kashmir and other Muslim dominated areas of India should belong to Pakistan. That is the spirit man - that is the spirit! I feel in order to do that, this is what Pakistan has to do :

i) The Voury Valley in Sind which has a Hindu majority be first handed over to India
ii) Israel Galli - the jewish part of Karachi should be next handed over to Israel
iii) Yahamdag of Punjab with a sizeable Catholic population be handed over to Rome
iv) Areas of NWFP which are Protestant Dominated be handed to England.
v) Gotammpur and other Budhist dominated ares of Northern Punjab should be handed over to China.
vi) Lahore, which was Ranjit Singh's capital be handed to Sikhs
vii) Large tracts of Ahmedi controlled areas in Paki-Kashmir be handed over to me.

I hope you do that soon that we discuss the Kashmir issue and settle it once and for all. Hoping for an early response.

Allah Hafeez


Shring.

[aryaputra]

ooops Shringarey. Please don't talk intelligent matters with aurangzeb. All he might do is kick you :D

:D ROFL :D

[gaaandraj]

abbe aurangzeb randi ke

man please take the muslims of india

they stink like hell and we dont really want them

as far as kashmir is concerned we have killed most muslims there. most newborns are children of our jawaans (wink wink)

whatever is left we will finish the work soon.

first we were killing them one by one but israel showed us that we should kill atleast 5 at a time. we are working on the transfer of technology from tel aviv.

its a cold day today so i just put some more korans in the fireplace.

cheers !

[kameena]

Hey Tantric, I agree there are lots of muslims who fit into your description. But then there are lot of muslims who dont. Dr. APJ Abdul Kalam is one example. He goes to rameshwaram temple once a week.

Yeah lot of muslims in muslim dominated Ghettos are like that. But most of the educated muslims are staunch Indians. I had a muslim colleague in India, and he was vitriolic in his hate for Pakistan, more than hindus.

So we cant paint all muslims with the same brush.

But yeah those muslims who shout pakistan Zindabad and pray for pakistan should be hung from a lampost.

[tantric_yogi]

kameena
out of 300million muslims in India you mention two.
Do muslim children ever stands in school lines
when they sing national anthems?

[kameena]

Yeah muslim Madarsas are a hotbed of fundamentalism. Should be closed down immediately. But still posting all muslims in same paint would be bad.

After reading the postings we have this shring chap. Seems educated and he is a muslim who is proud to be an Indian.

[ShivSainik]

I think all muslims should be sent to Pakistan (According to Aurangzeb who is going to take care of them).

We have no problems if muslims leave here peacefully and as indian.

[Indian]

Originally posted by ShivSainik
I think all muslims should be sent to Pakistan (According to Aurangzeb who is going to take care of them).

We have no problems if muslims leave here peacefully and as indian.

yeah ..and for you shiv sainiks .Those muslims should be from Maharashtra right ??
a muslim from Maharashtra is better than a Hindu from Tamil Nadu ??
is that the equation of shisainiks and your leader ???

[nandini]

hi
i am not half as well read as you ppl are nor is my exposure to the real world anything to boast of but i think that a percentage of hindus and muslims infact all religions have vested intersts economic and political and some of the aam junta ppl also are really oppurtunistic i mean i know a person who is a hindu who is least bothered abt religion but because he has an attention problem in life he insists on being a fundamentalist he thinks it's hip same way a muslim acquaintance of mine just to get some cheap sympathy from time to time harps about how ill treated muslims are in india and it's not the loyalty towards their religion but genearlly to get that extra attention that makes them do such retatded dangerous things look at that forum countersikhjokes.com i thought initially it made a lot of sense but those ppl are really really dumb and are doing it only to act different so religion we belong to hardly ever decides are orientations it's just our common sense in the end