Another Controversy :India players say 'No' to signing contract

[Napolean]

Seeing the number of controversies coming up,I sincerely think there should be a new forum on echarcha for discussing these .

The newest one threatens to steal much of the gloss out of ICC
championship trophy...and all this for fcuking money which Indian players already have mountains of...it is unfortunate and irresponsible on the part of Indian cricketers...

The link : http://www-usa.cricket.org/link_to_database/ARCHIVE/CRICKET_NEWS/2002/AUG/050136_REUTERS_19AUG2002.html

India players say 'No' to signing contract
19 August 2002


India players have given in writing that they will not sign a disputed ICC contract which will result in their omission from next month's ICC Champions Trophy in Sri Lanka, a cricket official said.

"Everybody has refused to sign," Board of Control for Cricket in India (BCCI) secretary Niranjan Shah told Reuters from the western Rajkot city.

The BCCI sent certain documents to the players asking them to make their stand clear in writing.

Shah said the board's working committee, a decision-making body, and the selection committee, will meet in Bangalore on Tuesday where an under-strength squad could be picked for the September 12-29 tournament in Colombo.

India players, like several of their counterparts including those in Australia, South Africa and West Indies, have objected to an "ambush marketing" clause in the International Cricket Council (ICC) contract which bars individual endorsements that conflict with official sponsors.

The clause, agreed to by national boards two years ago, bars such endorsements for 30 days either side of ICC tournaments like the Champions Trophy and the World Cup to be held in South Africa early next year.

The omission of the likes of Sachin Tendulkar, regarded as the world's leading batsman, skipper Saurav Ganguly and emerging batsman Virender Sehwag could become a huge controversy in cricket-mad India besides affecting the 12-nation event.

Shah said ICC chief executive Malcolm Speed was arriving in India early on Tuesday in an effort to end the row, which has dominated the game for the last two weeks.

"He will be in India tomorrow. He will be talking to some of the sponsors on this issue," Shah said.

Speed is expected to meet some of the official sponsors to discuss whether anything could be done to ensure the participation of all top players in the prestigious event.

Indian selectors chose a 14-player squad for the Sri Lankan event earlier this month but did not release the names because of the contract row.

[Zen]

Seeing the number of controversies coming up,I sincerely think there should be a new forum on echarcha for discussing these .

.... Hamku kharcha controversies discuss karne ku manaa kiyela hai wise Nepolean teri dead body ko le key bhee contoversy hai bhai le news padh ley (http://www.suntimes.com/output/news/cst-nws-nap17.html) :D ...
chal is pey discuss maarte hain bole to!

[tantric_yogi]

Hum ab kuch nahin bolega ... last waqt hum yeh salla cricket players log ko maa ben ka galli diya to aap sabh log armpits uthakar khada ho gaya hum ko sunghane ke liye ... abi tak apun ka nose normal nahin hua ...

Ab hum chup rahega ...

[Napolean]

That is really unfortunate...achchhe khaase living,talking, eating and walking aadmi ke dead body ko lekar controversy ho rahi hai....
:(

Tu jaakar oonako bol ke apun abhi oosase bakar karke aa rayela hai....so there is no scope for a controversy at all.....

[Napolean]

Originally posted by tantric_yogi
Hum ab kuch nahin bolega ... last waqt hum yeh salla cricket players log ko maa ben ka galli diya to aap sabh log armpits uthakar khada ho gaya hum ko sunghane ke liye ... abi tak apun ka nose normal nahin hua ...

Ab hum chup rahega ...

Tantrik...is baar apun bhi tere saath aa rayela hai....
DekheN is baar kaun apun log ko armpit sunghaata hai...
:cool:

[nydood]

Well, I do not blame the players who have signed contract more than 2 years ago with their current sponsors (Thats when the national cricket boards agreed with this idea). They do have some contractual agreements with the sponsoring companies.

[vakil sahib]

i agree with the players as well. the ICC cannot change the rules midstream. the players have their sponsors(and their money) to think about.

the ICC will have to come up with a solution quickly or it will have a major revolt on it's hands.

[Charchila]

I am with the players. ICC has no right to control someone else's personal contracts and stuff. I wonder what'll happen in the World Cup though. It'll be interesting to see if ICC decides to stay firm on their policies during the WC. Maybe another "Circus" in the making? (referring to Kerry Packer's Circus in the late 70s I believe... long before I was born! ;) )

[jay]

The actual question is who should make money?
the ICC
the BCCI
or the Players

I feel the players are the obvious choice. We already one controversy with ICC, may be it is time to level it. India's is the cricket's money power and lets flex our muscles and win this time atleast in this match with ICC, if not in cricket matches.

[Parashuram]

Originally posted by tantric_yogi
... abi tak apun ka nose normal nahin hua ...


Babaji .......yeh nose kitta inchee hai ;)

[Parashuram]

Originally posted by jay
The actual question is who should make money?
the ICC
the BCCI
or the Players

I feel the players are the obvious choice. We already one controversy with ICC, may be it is time to level it. India's is the cricket's money power and lets flex our muscles and win this time atleast in this match with ICC, if not in cricket matches.

Bencho ........The guys with the actual *TALENT* should be making all the money .......Not those goddamn ****ing parasites at BCCI ........All those benchos at BCCI should be given a regular salary like any Indian Govt Clerk ...........:smash:

[Napolean]

Everybody has rights to earn money for himself.There cannot be any arguments against that.
BCCI had asked the involved players to sign the contract for the championship trophy and that they will try to sort out the matters after that.Now I think any sensible person will agree to that given that this tournament is regarded as Mini world cup .
Can't players restrain themselves even for two months ?
BCCI in the past had stood firm for the players in the Mike Denness issue .

[Napolean]

Australian and English players are also NOT likely to sign the contract.
ICC championship ki to ma,bain ek ho gayee.
Think of an average cricket fan......this will be a cruel joke for him.
:(

[Arabian Knight]

The official sponsors could stand to lose more than individual players if top players boycotted a tournament.

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India's cricket board are prepared to select a second-string squad for next month's ICC Champions Trophy, standing firm in a row with top players over a controversial marketing contract.

The BCCI insisted that India would take part in the tournament in Sri Lanka whether players like Sachin Tendulkar or captain Sourav Ganguly decided to play or not.

But it said it had approached the ICC, the game's governing body, which had agreed to talks to try to avert a crisis which could hurt next year's one-day World Cup.

The Board will negotiate with the ICC to redraw an "ambush marketing" clause in the contract which must be signed by players if they want to play in the September 12-29 event in Colombo, the main warm-up event for the World Cup.

Almost the entire India squad on Monday rejected the clause in the International Cricket Council contract which bars personal endorsements that conflict with official sponsors.

"It was unanimously decided that come what may India cannot default and the selection committee should be asked to identify 20 probables who agree to the ICC conditions," Board of Control for Cricket in India (BCCI) president Jagmohan Dalmiya told reporters.

Tendulkar, Ganguly, emerging batsman Virender Sehwag and Rahul Dravid all have significant endorsement contracts and could lose huge sums by agreeing to the ICC terms. They have sent a statement to Dalmiya explaining their stand

http://www.cricinfo.com/link_to_database/ARCHIVE/CRICKET_NEWS/2002/AUG/050603_REUTERS_20AUG2002.html

[Napolean]

http://www.cricketnext.com/news1/next/joshi/tap539.htm


Top guns not included in 20 probables

By Tapan Joshi

Top guns like skipper Sourav Ganguly, star batsman Sachin Tendulkar, The Wall Rahul Dravid, leg-spinner Anil Kumble and exciting youngster Virender Sehwag have not been included in the list of 20 probables selected by the national selection committee for next month's ICC Champions Trophy in Sri Lanka.

Niranjan Shah, the honorary secretary of the BCCI, confirmed to this correspondent, "No, they have not been included. The Board wants to make sure we have a team ready even if these players don't sign the contracts. So the selectors were advised not to include these five in the list of 20. Of course, if they sign, they are automatic selection."

The BCCI president Jagmohan Dalmiya too came down heavily on the younger players who refused to sign the ICC contracts. "I really can't understand why players who have just broken into the team have decided to go against the ICC and the Indian cricket Board. They have no issues, and they at least should have cooperated," Dalmiya told this correspondent over the 'phone.

Dalmiya is also peeved at the role Ravi Shastri is playing in the whole thing. According to sources close to him, he is reported to have said, "From where has he (Shastri) suddenly cropped in?"

Dalmiya admitted mistakes have been made while the Board went through the proposed contracts in Kuala Lumpur in 2001. "Yes, I agree we didn't pay enough attention to the whole thing. But India's prestige is at stake. We can't let down the country this way. We have to play the tourney, and I urge all the players to come together for the sake of the country," he said before signing off.

[jay]

Napoleon,

In the last occasion BCCI stood with the players and lost, let them again stand with the players this time and win. why foot the ICC bill.

Signing for Two months is for a start ... then once signed it is only the beginning. In fact they will set an example for the Australian and England cricketers which then will have a recursive effect.

Now is the time to bring the ICC to it's knees. It was at this time that BCCI should be with the players.

[Napolean]

When I started this thread ,this controversy had just started .
Now, after so many days BCCI has not made any attempt to talk to players while other countries' cricket boards are talking to players and trying to resolve the crisis.In case of Aussies and England they have already resolved the matter .
BCCI is just not ready to start talking ,while players have already told they are ready for any kind of talk.
Now, this is really stubborn and unfortunate on part of BCCI .Every issue can be resolved through talks and if they are not ready to talk and are expecting players to sign the contract which is unlawful ,it is bad .

[nayasavera]

indian players agree to sign contract..

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow.asp?artid=20377419

full strength team.. ab aayega mazaa

[nydood]

woh second string team ka to kela ho gaya

[laal_langot]

Originally posted by nydood
woh second string team ka to kela ho gaya

I am really disappointed.....was hgoping to watch doda ganesh bat and MSK parshaad bowl his leg breaking off cutters....

[nayasavera]

haan kayi maasoom dil toote honge :(

kuchh buddhe dil bhi - robin singh

[Napolean]

Originally posted by nayasavera
indian players agree to sign contract..

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow.asp?artid=20377419

full strength team.. ab aayega mazaa

Went through this article.Players have agreed for only 18 days.Lekin ICC,BCCI ne to ek mahine aur ek mahine baad tak ka contract kiya tha.
Anyway,BCCI should agree now because
a.) the contract is unlawful and tries to suppress the right to earn and
b.) they know very well that with second string team,chances of winning are as thin as Aishwarya's waist and as poor as church's mouse.
:D :D

[Arabian Knight]

NEW DELHI: The near-revolt by India's top cricketers against the sport's world governing body over sponsorship contracts has received wide support from ex-players and fans alike.

In an online poll conducted by indiatimes.com, 80 per cent of respondents backed the Indian cricketers in their ongoing row with the ICC over contract terms.

Legendary all-rounder Kapil Dev led the chorus of support by ex-players, who wanted the ICC to back down in the row that threatens the participation of India's star players in next week's Champions Trophy in Sri Lanka.

The Indian team, currently touring England, has refused to agree to clauses that prohibit them from endorsing products that conflict with the interests of the tournament's official sponsors for 30 days after the event ends.

Ganguly's team has also rejected the clause which allows the official sponsors to use the players images for six months after ICC events like the Champions Trophy and the World Cup.

The Board of Control for Cricket in India (BCCI), struggling to convince the players to sign up, is resigned to sending a second-string team for the 12-nation limited-overs tournament from September 12.

In a country where cricketers are often accused of earning megabucks disproportionate to their performance on the field, the support for Ganguly's team is both unexpected and overwhelming.

"Our boys are undergoing mental torture and I feel sorry for them," Kapil said ahead of the decisive final Test against England starting at the Oval on Thursday.

"What I can't understand is why must the cricketers sign a contract with the ICC, any arrangement should necessarily be with the home board.

"Does the ICC select our teams? Does the ICC look after the players? Does the ICC provide our match fees? It's beyond me."

Kapil, a former world bowling record-holder, lashed out at the ICC for forcing players to fall in line with its dictates.

"I am amazed the ICC wants our cricketers to break existing contracts, wants them to do something unlawful," he said.
"Is this how the sport's governing body should behave? Should it encourage indiscipline? I can't believe it. Are contracts or agreements ever one-sided?"

Former Test opener Gopal Bose added: "The ICC is almost asking players to sign a blank cheque." Kirti Azad, a former World Cup star and current member of parliament, said he was astounded at ICC chief Malcolm Speed's plea to players to choose between cash and country.

"Can one question Sachin Tendulkar's commitment to playing for India just because he opposes the contracts?" Azad asked.

Asked why players from other countries had signed up, Azad said: "They do not have personal endorsements of the kind Indian players do."

Players from Australia and England initially opposed the ICC's contracts, but agreed to play in the Champions Trophy after reaching agreements with their respective boards.

Australian players, however, wanted the contracts to be renegotiated before the World Cup in South Africa early next year, a proposal the ICC is willing to consider.

The Indian players received unexpected support from their South African counterparts, who have also reportedly rejected the ICC contracts.

Tony Irish, chief executive of the South African Cricketers' Association, was quoted on television as saying the players remained unhappy with the contracts and would not sign them.

The United Cricket Board of South Africa responded that it was committed to taking part in the Champions Trophy and would send its "strongest team" to Sri Lanka.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow.asp?artid=21050157

[Napolean]

From http://www.timesofindia.com
Unwilling to budge from their stand that they will not sign the ICC contract, the Indian players are said to be contemplating legal action against the game's governing body.

It seems the drama is all set for climax now.If players go ahead with their plan to move the court ,ICC is more likely to be on the losing end .This ,I hope,will straighten up ICC.

[Napolean]

This issue is resolved now...ICC is ready to pay damages to players...So star-studded Indian team will play in Champions trophy
:cool:
link :

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow.asp?artid=21680817